Does Triple H even want to be a heel?

[2GOLD 0]

If they'd actually let Cena return to his pre-WWE title reign personality and start cutting some more risky raps then he'd be less stale and the crowd would buy into it more. However, I don't think we'll be seeing any of that stuff because god forbid a risky rap might hurt HHH's image as the "King of Kings."

I think part of the problem is people got tired of Vanilla Ice.

No, they tired of a thug with no sack. Real thugs don't fight the odds against mean guys, they don't give a shit and fuck someone, anyone, up. Note what sorts of reactions he got for the brawl with JBL at Judgment Day last year. Not only that, but they talk a LOT of shit. Cena hasn't talked some real shit in a very, very, VERY long time. It's all smiles and working up the crowd.

 

Cena was doing very well as his own character. Then WWE gave him horrid catchphrases, eliminated his raps because they no longer believe good guys can be edgy (yeah, didn't work for that Rock or Austin guy), he started telling lame ass SNLish gay jokes, and the crowd turned on him. That wasn't Cena's fault, that was pure and simple destruction of a character.

 

He sorta got back to his character after the Rumble VERY briefly. Then they turned him into the white Will Smith as soon as he got the belt back. And HHH is the last man in the company who should be saying "limited moveset".

[Downhome 0]

I really like the idea of allowing HHH/Cena to go forward with HHH heel and Cena face. At WM the fans reach their peak of Cena hate, while cheering HHH. The night night at RAW they can have Cena, without the title, finally have his true heel turn moment. HHH will remain a heel, he will not turn full blown face.

 

Then bring over Rey Mysterio, maybe, to take on HHH. However, for that to happen he needs to somehow overcome the freshly turned heel Cena.

 

Or just have Rey go straight to HHH, claiming that he deserves it since he eliminated him from the RR, while Cena goes on to take on one of the other faces that is coming up. Maybe RVD?

[Dangerous A 0]

Cena was doing very well as his own character. Then WWE gave him horrid catchphrases, eliminated his raps because they no longer believe good guys can be edgy (yeah, didn't work for that Rock or Austin guy), he started telling lame ass SNLish gay jokes, and the crowd turned on him. That wasn't Cena's fault, that was pure and simple destruction of a character.

 

 

This is very true, but it was also compounded because he isn't a very good worker. He spouts off that he is a badass, yet people see right through his lame punches and even lamer offense. It started with Jericho. People could easily Cena wasn't on Jericho's level. It was then compounded with the program with Angle and got to the point where people wouldn't boo Kurt even when he called out the troops and Jesus Christ. That's because they see Kurt as legit and Cena as a phony. Even if he had his "edge", he'd still get similar reactions because people can tell Cena isn't World Champion material in the ring.

[Da Maintenance Man 0]

Cena was doing very well as his own character. Then WWE gave him horrid catchphrases, eliminated his raps because they no longer believe good guys can be edgy (yeah, didn't work for that Rock or Austin guy), he started telling lame ass SNLish gay jokes, and the crowd turned on him. That wasn't Cena's fault, that was pure and simple destruction of a character.

 

 

This is very true, but it was also compounded because he isn't a very good worker. He spouts off that he is a badass, yet people see right through his lame punches and even lamer offense. It started with Jericho. People could easily Cena wasn't on Jericho's level. It was then compounded with the program with Angle and got to the point where people wouldn't boo Kurt even when he called out the troops and Jesus Christ. That's because they see Kurt as legit and Cena as a phony. Even if he had his "edge", he'd still get similar reactions because people can tell Cena isn't World Champion material in the ring.

 

Just thinking about this whole thing again, I wonder if Cena would be getting the same reactions he's getting now if he had stayed on Smackdown this past summer...

 

But anyway, I still don't think Cena is as bad as some people make him out to be though he's far from being the best worker in the company. He seems to always bring it in big match situations (check out his PPV record & most recently, his performance against Edge on that Thursday Raw). While I DO think that he deserves a run w/ the belt, there's no way in hell it should've been THIS long. I'm actually hoping that Trips wins the belt back at WM, not because of hatred of Cena but WWE seems to all of a sudden know how to book him when he doesn't have the belt as opposed to when he does.

[Dangerous A 0]

It's hard to say, but I don't think Cena would be getting the same backlash had he stayed on SD.

 

Part of that is SD had the magic of being taped.

 

There were reports that a lot of Cena's matches on SD were cleaned up in the editing process. Although live fans had to deal with it, the most important thing was on the TV show, you could change the perception of things. As long as he had good PPV main event talent to work with for the live PPV matches, he'd probrably not be having as bad a time as he is now at trying to get over as a main event babyface.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Raw should go back to being a taped show. There is no Nitro to give away Raw results and TNA does the same thing so its not like they would do that either.

[Dangerous A 0]

I completely agree with Raw going back to a taped format. The wrestling war is over. There is no reason to keep things live for fear of Bischoff giving away results and spoilers have never been proven to hurt ratings.

 

If you're going to have a bunch of guys who aren't ready called up or ready for top spots, the least you can do is clean up the matches in editing so they don't look like complete green machines.

[UZI Suicide 0]

I don't like taped shows, it's one of the reasons I have a hard time getting into Smackdown on a regular basis. RAW is more fun to watch even when it's shitty because it's LIVE. Everything you're seeing his happening right as you watch it, the embarassing stuff, the shitty stuff, the great stuff, there's no editing in crowd reactions and no editing out bad skits or segments, they just throw it out there and we get to see it as it happens, and get to hear what the crowd REALLY thinks of it.

 

With that being said, I felt really bad for John Cena last night, I think Triple H really pulled one of the biggest scumbag moves I've seen in wrestling in quite sometime. Instead of going out there to try to help get his WM opponent over, he goes out there and totally shits on him in front of a crowd that already didn't like Cena in the first place. And it felt so real, you could see the emotion in the ring, Triple H was geniuely enjoying the burial and Cena looked like he just wanted to crawl under a rock. It was really embarassing to watch.

[Da Maintenance Man 0]

With that being said, I felt really bad for John Cena last night, I think Triple H really pulled one of the biggest scumbag moves I've seen in wrestling in quite sometime. Instead of going out there to try to help get his WM opponent over, he goes out there and totally shits on him in front of a crowd that already didn't like Cena in the first place. And it felt so real, you could see the emotion in the ring, Triple H was geniuely enjoying the burial and Cena looked like he just wanted to crawl under a rock. It was really embarassing to watch.

 

Agreed. Completely.

[Silence 0]

I don't like taped shows, it's one of the reasons I have a hard time getting into Smackdown on a regular basis. RAW is more fun to watch even when it's shitty because it's LIVE. Everything you're seeing his happening right as you watch it, the embarassing stuff, the shitty stuff, the great stuff, there's no editing in crowd reactions and no editing out bad skits or segments, they just throw it out there and we get to see it as it happens, and get to hear what the crowd REALLY thinks of it.

 

So not even the possibility of a horrid Ashley match discourages you? I know she's injured right now (not to say I'm celebrating about it, though), but when she comes back, she'll be stinking up the Women's division once again every week on Raw if WWE continues to push her.

[buffybeast 0]

With that being said, I felt really bad for John Cena last night, I think Triple H really pulled one of the biggest scumbag moves I've seen in wrestling in quite sometime. Instead of going out there to try to help get his WM opponent over, he goes out there and totally shits on him in front of a crowd that already didn't like Cena in the first place. And it felt so real, you could see the emotion in the ring, Triple H was geniuely enjoying the burial and Cena looked like he just wanted to crawl under a rock. It was really embarassing to watch.

 

Agreed. Completely.

 

 

I did not understand the logic in having Cena hype of HHH yet severely downplaying his own workrate. Honestly, I just don't understand why you'd have your champion openly downplaying himself while saying nothing but glowing comments to his opponent. That did nothing for Cena.

[The Czech Republic 0]

With that being said, I felt really bad for John Cena last night, I think Triple H really pulled one of the biggest scumbag moves I've seen in wrestling in quite sometime. Instead of going out there to try to help get his WM opponent over, he goes out there and totally shits on him in front of a crowd that already didn't like Cena in the first place. And it felt so real, you could see the emotion in the ring, Triple H was geniuely enjoying the burial and Cena looked like he just wanted to crawl under a rock. It was really embarassing to watch.

Oh man, I loved that. Come on. He's just some generic-looking schmuck named "John Cena" who seems to lapse in and out of talking like a black dude. He doesn't even have a cool nickname that I know of, a "Stone Cold" or "The Rock" or "The Hitman" or anything. Who the fuck is this guy? What's he doing here? He's a misplaced midcarder to me, just like Batista and Orton. It was great watching him get belittled.

[The Niggardly King 0]

The thing that started all this backlash would have to be that shitty video they had Cena do, and then seemed to play it over and over. Not the "Bad Man" one, but that other one. It had Cena like having a barbecue with his family and friends, followed by him playing touch football, and then he says something like, "Let's put down the gats..."

 

I didn't really notice the fans turning on him until that video came out. Then he became the guy who did middle school humor, and a "hero" who always overcomes the odds.

[SuperJerk 0]

I did not understand the logic in having Cena hype of HHH yet severely downplaying his own workrate. Honestly, I just don't understand why you'd have your champion openly downplaying himself while saying nothing but glowing comments to his opponent. That did nothing for Cena.

 

Ditto.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

I dont know why we can't all just bask in the glory of the burial.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I dont know why we can't all just bask in the glory of the burial.

Because it's stupid to expose the legit weaknesses of your top babyface?

[haVoc 0]

They're both going to come out of this feud looking like crap. Triple H wins, far from shocking and Cena gets buried along the way. Cena wins, crowds still shit on him and hopefully Triple H has no where to go but down the card.

 

Either way, I'm going to be happy. I'm still pissed over the treatment Edge got. Those two and WWE burrying themselves is fine by me.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

I dont know why we can't all just bask in the glory of the burial.

Because it's stupid to expose the legit weaknesses of your top babyface?

If this makes him no longer the top babyface in the near future, its a good thing.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I dont know why we can't all just bask in the glory of the burial.

Because it's stupid to expose the legit weaknesses of your top babyface?

If this makes him no longer the top babyface in the near future, its a good thing.

It makes him no kind of anything in the near future. He just got exposed as being crap. That's bad business, no matter how people try to spin it.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

I dont know why we can't all just bask in the glory of the burial.

Because it's stupid to expose the legit weaknesses of your top babyface?

If this makes him no longer the top babyface in the near future, its a good thing.

It makes him no kind of anything in the near future. He just got exposed as being crap.

Oh well. Maybe that will finally motivate him to improve.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I dont know why we can't all just bask in the glory of the burial.

Because it's stupid to expose the legit weaknesses of your top babyface?

If this makes him no longer the top babyface in the near future, its a good thing.

It makes him no kind of anything in the near future. He just got exposed as being crap.

Oh well. Maybe that will finally motivate him to improve.

Even if it does, he'd have to improve an insane amout to mean anything in the future with how badly he got exposed.

[2GOLD 0]

The thing is Cena fights using the WWE style. If you watch any of the call-ups with the WWE, they are all miserable. Cena in OVW as the Prototype was very good. Hell, he was good when he first came up but it's been a slow downgrade in moveset. In fact, one of Cena's original moves on Smackdown was a ground headlock for crap sake.

 

Remember the original look of the FU? It was an actual DVD. Now look at it, it's been reduced to a fireman's carry. Five Knuckle Shuffle? Hello People's Elbow or Austin's double finger elbow. I mean, what the hell? I'm not sure if it's Cena sucks or he has just been neutered to the brink of worthless.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

I dont know why we can't all just bask in the glory of the burial.

Because it's stupid to expose the legit weaknesses of your top babyface?

If this makes him no longer the top babyface in the near future, its a good thing.

It makes him no kind of anything in the near future. He just got exposed as being crap.

Oh well. Maybe that will finally motivate him to improve.

Even if it does, he'd have to improve an insane amout to mean anything in the future with how badly he got exposed.

Good! Honestly, I could care less if he never recovers because he pretty clearly just stopped giving a shit about eight months ago. It annoyed me to no end how the harder he got pushed, the less effort he put in. It was pretty clear a couple of years ago when he had reason to put effort in he can have some acceptable matches.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

The thing is Cena fights using the WWE style.

Bullshit. I hear this all the time. "Oh, the reason Cena is the absolute dregs is because he has to work the WWE style!" Well so does the whole fucking company. Look at the active Raw roster and name five worse male wrestlers. Tomko, Snitsky and Viscera is all I can come up with. Maybe Masters. Kane is significantly better. For fuck's sake, so is Big Show.

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

With that being said, I felt really bad for John Cena last night, I think Triple H really pulled one of the biggest scumbag moves I've seen in wrestling in quite sometime. Instead of going out there to try to help get his WM opponent over, he goes out there and totally shits on him in front of a crowd that already didn't like Cena in the first place. And it felt so real, you could see the emotion in the ring, Triple H was geniuely enjoying the burial and Cena looked like he just wanted to crawl under a rock. It was really embarassing to watch.

 

Totally agree with this one. I wish on live TV Cena just busted out some damn rap on HHH and shit all over him too, it would've been great.

 

The thing that bothers me is what's next after HHH-Cena? Cena has been invested in as the future of the company as a face and the company has proceeded to cut his legs out from under him during this entire title reign. I can't see a solid face to challenge HHH in site except RVD and we all know he won't be getting the belt. What are we going to have to endure? Kane-HHH version 8,000? HHH-Big Show revisited?

 

There are rumors of course that Rey Mysterio is headed to RAW but that'd be terrible too with HHH squashing him and probably involving interviews where he'd joke about Mysterio's size and what not. After all, Mysterio is probably the #2 over face in the company at the moment.

 

All in all, it just appears as if this company builds a star just to have them kiss HHH's ass and step up to the plate to get buried to add to the luster of HHH's career. Just despicable.

[Da Maintenance Man 0]

The thing is Cena fights using the WWE style. If you watch any of the call-ups with the WWE, they are all miserable. Cena in OVW as the Prototype was very good. Hell, he was good when he first came up but it's been a slow downgrade in moveset. In fact, one of Cena's original moves on Smackdown was a ground headlock for crap sake.

 

Remember the original look of the FU? It was an actual DVD. Now look at it, it's been reduced to a fireman's carry. Five Knuckle Shuffle? Hello People's Elbow or Austin's double finger elbow. I mean, what the hell? I'm not sure if it's Cena sucks or he has just been neutered to the brink of worthless.

 

I've been saying this for ages. Back when he made his debut on Smackdown, nobody knew who he was! He was a nobody with no gimmick or character at all so he pretty much HAD to bring it, as far as in-ring skills go (& he did a pretty good job of it). Once he got more popular, WWE watered him down (both, in the ring & character-wise).

[The Niggardly King 0]

There is a reason why Jim Cornette puts Cena over as this generation's Ric Flair...

[2GOLD 0]

There is a reason why Jim Cornette puts Cena over as this generation's Ric Flair...

 

So he just needs to find this generation's Ricky Steamboat and this generation's Sting and he'll be fine?

[Team Angle Pusher 0]

So we are pretty much agreeing that Cena is a shitty champion. What if HHH just beat Cena cleanly at Mania and buried Cena out of main event status. What if they did that? I wouldn't mind really but for some reason we don't want Cena to be buried yet we laugh when he gets booed. So we all see that Cena has potential. Cena became a Main Eventer too fast to be honest. I want HHH to become the Champion again, seriously.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The problem with HHH as champ is that he sucks all drama out of the title matches. We know when he's going to win and when he's going to lose almost all of the time. I have no interest in ordering a show that I know the outcome of weeks in advance. With Cena, given his less than stellar reactions there is always the chance that common sense prevails and they job him. Cena might be a shitty champion (and he is), but HHH is a boring one. They should just have left the belt on Edge and things would be looking a lot better.