Make an outlandish statement

[Lei Tong 0]

Everyone looks good against Nog. It's why people overrated Yokoi.

 

Also, a majority of Dan Henderson matches are vastly overrated.

[starvenger 0]

The Middleweight division is about as lackluster as the Heavyweight division right now"

 

You've GOT to be kidding me. To me, the UFC MW division is probably the best one in MMA right now (which, btw, is my outlandish statement).

Given the state of the WW division, that is pretty outlandish. The problem with UFC's MW is that while they've built up some decent fighters, they haven't built them up as believable contenders to Franklin's title. Quarry? No way. Loiseau? Too soon for him and done because of the USA vs Canada gimmick. Evan Tanner's always a possibility it seems and maybe David Terrell returns with a vengeance but after that? Swick and Leben are around because they're good lower mid-carders - curtain jerkers who give you a good fight. Joe Riggs? He's the UFC's version of baseball's utility player - I'd swear he'd fight at 155 if they asked. If they had a division at 140, he's probably try for it.

 

So, yeah. Basically I'm thinking that the MW division is good, but not as good as the WWs.

[starvenger 0]

dammit. I try to write something and you guys are already 25 steps ahead of me..

[Lei Tong 0]

Quote and drag us back.

 

Also, someone forgot Marquardt...

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Everyone looks good against Nog. It's why people overrated Yokoi.

 

Also, a majority of Dan Henderson matches are vastly overrated.

 

Can't argue that. I think Henderson is very overrated. I want to see him come to the UFC though, I think him and Franklin would be an awesome fight.

 

Josh Koschek would beat Diego Sanchez in a rematch.

[Lei Tong 0]

Josh Koschek would beat Diego Sanchez in a rematch.

 

Not outlandish in the least.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

The Middleweight division is about as lackluster as the Heavyweight division right now"

 

You've GOT to be kidding me. To me, the UFC MW division is probably the best one in MMA right now (which, btw, is my outlandish statement).

Given the state of the WW division, that is pretty outlandish. The problem with UFC's MW is that while they've built up some decent fighters, they haven't built them up as believable contenders to Franklin's title. Quarry? No way. Loiseau? Too soon for him and done because of the USA vs Canada gimmick. Evan Tanner's always a possibility it seems and maybe David Terrell returns with a vengeance but after that? Swick and Leben are around because they're good lower mid-carders - curtain jerkers who give you a good fight. Joe Riggs? He's the UFC's version of baseball's utility player - I'd swear he'd fight at 155 if they asked. If they had a division at 140, he's probably try for it.

 

So, yeah. Basically I'm thinking that the MW division is good, but not as good as the WWs.

 

You forgot about Anderson Silva, he is a major threat to Franklins title, and can easily KO Franklin.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Everyone does look good against Big Nog though, I can't argue with that.

 

Dan Henderson having a lot of overrated fights? Well you'll have to specify because I don't know how people look at them. I never hear anyone nominating him for fighter of the year or any of his fights for fight of the year. But until his last bout he has consistently put out good fights.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

With Franklin as champion, though he is very, very good, there is always the possibility for someone to catch him. I think Leben would be competitive fight for him and Leben is maybe a border-line top 10 fighter. Doerkson, Horn, Leben, Marquardt, Salaverry, Prangley, Riggs, Terrell, Swick, Franklin. Not only is that a competive list of fighters, but they would all be competitive against each other.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

That's the thing about the middleweight division, and what it's got that the welterweight division does not. Each guy in the top ten can beat most of the others on most days, save for a few notable exceptions. In general, I can just as easily see Leben beating Franklin as I can seeing Terrell beating Leben as I can seeing Riggs beat Terrell as I can see Tanner beat Riggs as I can see Marquardt beat Tanner as I can see Loiseau beat Marquardt as I can see Franklin beating Loiseau, which happened. The WW division is also loaded with talent, but the guys at the top are just that much better. Depends on what you prefer.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Why do you guys keep ignoring Anderson Silva? He's a better striker then all of those guys.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

He hasn't fought in the UFC yet, hence why he's not a part of my mental rolodex of fighters. You can just as easily fit him anywhere in there, which is kinda the point.

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

You can't really be ranked in an organization top ten until you've actually fought once. Before that first fight, regardless if it's an undercard or a main event it's all subjecture really.

 

And damnit, I still stand by Sapp. Sapp Time~!

[AboveAverage484 0]

How in the world should Mirko have won that fight?

 

Hunt pressed the action. Hunt controlled the pace, and the action. Mirko freaking RAN AWAY from Hunt when Hunt just walked through everything. Hunt re-exposed Mirko's flaw in fighting that he has to fix, in that he cannot fight well when the opponent pressures him. Fedor used that against him, and Hunt did aswell. If you don't let Mirko come forward, and set himself up for the KO shots, he panics now. Why that is...I don't know, but it happened in both the Fedor, and Hunt fights.

 

Mirko hit probably the most stuff, but Hunt completely no-sold everything like he was the Terminator. Atleast Fedor stumbled, Hunt just kept coming, and more then once rocked Mirko himself. If i remember right, Hunt even started practically begging Mirko to not run away...then got pissed and charged him.

 

I love Mirko, and so does PRIDE, but Hunt completely won that fight in just about every possible regard.

 

Edit: I'll throw out my own comment....If Bob Sapp hadn't went to K-1, and devoted himself 100% to MMA, he'd be PRIDE Heavyweight champion, and a near unstoppable juggernaut. His training has been completely botched by K-1, and they've continually thrown him to the wolves with little time to prepare. Sapp went from someone who had near limitless potential at the start, to a washed up "kickboxer" Who didn't know how to friggin kick!

 

Mirko landed a higher percentage of shots; sure Hunt was coming forward the whole time but he missed with most of his attacks. Cro Cop shouldn't be punished by the judges just because Hunt has a head made of cement.

 

And give it up on Sapp, he just sucks period. The only K-1 fights he won he did so by cheating. Shall I name the various methods of cheating? Grabbing the head while punching, legal in MMA, ILLEGAL in K-1; hitting a downed opponent; punching the back of an opponent's head; getting numerous "doctor stops," allowing him to recuperate; getting generous downs granted to him; being completely favored by the refs because he was Ishii's meal ticket in '02 before Cro Cop made him cry, etc. He may be a pretty nice person and an entertaining figure, but as a fighter he sucks. Part of the reason is, he has no mobility, maybe if he lost a hundred pounds he could actually throw a proper kick or punch.

 

As for MMA, he got thrown around the ring like a rag doll by Fujita, and everytime he fights he supposedly has some new stupid technique or the ability to breathe for more than 1 minute 30 without gassing. Fedor would waste him in standup and woe to Sapp if he got on the ground somehow because then the violence would really start. Fedor would use his ground striking more to his advantage than Nog did to open up a sub (probably because Nog was bordering on brain damage from the head drops). If he fought Cro Cop, Mirko would already have the psychological edge from having broken his face in K-1, and you can forget Sapp taking anyone down as he doesn't even have the coordination or mobility to get a single leg, let alone any other type of take down.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

There is really nothing stopping Sapp from getting better except Sapp himself. No one is forcing him to star in movies or whatever. He just doesn't have a real passion for MMA, period. He's a huge guy, which opened doors from him. He was in football first, then became a pro wrestler, then moved into celebrity boxing and then MMA. It's not in his blood, it's more of an option. So there is a limit on how good he could become, it's not just the fame and fortune distracting him. It's a bit of a myth that "With more training he could be unbeatable", because simply put, he doesn't have the drive to reach another level.

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

Heeey now, I never said he had drive for the sport, I simply said with better management he'd be a better fighter. I don't see how that's refutable when at his peak of popularity he was doing somewhere around five PA thing PER DAY. Thats not just Sapp's doing, thats also his management yanking him around for paydays. They realized that win or loss, Sapp was a cash cow, and they used that cash cow.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

But drive is necessary for improvement. Even if he had more time to train, it's not like he'd stop being a wreckless oaf who'd swing and hope he'd hit his opponent and then tire out. He'd just throw more legkicks and know how to do an armbar and then never do one.

[AboveAverage484 0]

He armbarred Takayama. Yeah, I know, big accomplishment.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Statement: Decisons are going to hurt the UFC this year

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

Thats why I said if Sapp devoted himself to it. Sapp doesn't, but my statement was *IF* he did. If he wasn't whored out. If he devoted himself to it.

 

If's a magical word.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Statement: Decisons are going to hurt the UFC this year

 

What fights do you think were bad desicions? I really think the judges have been on point. If it's a close fight, and your favorite fighter doesn't get the nod, please don't bitch.

[starvenger 0]

Statement: Decisons are going to hurt the UFC this year

Should probably read: Fighters like Rashad Evans are going to hurt the UFC this year with their boring decision victories.

 

There was some hope from me that Rashad would evolve from his LnP offence similar to Josh Koschek, but I don't think it's gonna happen. Then again, most of the HWs from TUF2 were pretty lackluster during the show so they probably couldn't have done any better at the time. I dunno, maybe moving up to HW hurt most of the fighters.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Statement: Decisons are going to hurt the UFC this year

 

What fights do you think were bad desicions? I really think the judges have been on point. If it's a close fight, and your favorite fighter doesn't get the nod, please don't bitch.

 

I didn't say anything about bad decisons. If you think a 30-27 for Tito is on point, however then I can't help you.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Statement: Decisons are going to hurt the UFC this year

 

What fights do you think were bad desicions? I really think the judges have been on point. If it's a close fight, and your favorite fighter doesn't get the nod, please don't bitch.

 

I didn't say anything about bad decisons. If you think a 30-27 for Tito is on point, however then I can't help you.

 

I haven't seen the fight so I can't judge it. But from what I've read, you could make an arguement for the 1st round to be 10-8 for Tito, because he completely dominated Griffin.

 

 

But like I said, I haven't seen the fight so I would not judge.

[AmericanDragon 0]

Statement: Decisons are going to hurt the UFC this year

 

What fights do you think were bad desicions? I really think the judges have been on point. If it's a close fight, and your favorite fighter doesn't get the nod, please don't bitch.

 

I didn't say anything about bad decisons. If you think a 30-27 for Tito is on point, however then I can't help you.

 

I haven't seen the fight so I can't judge it. But from what I've read, you could make an arguement for the 1st round to be 10-8 for Tito, because he completely dominated Griffin.

 

 

But like I said, I haven't seen the fight so I would not judge.

 

30-27 means Tito won every round 10-9.

[Angel_Grace_Blue 0]

Or he won one 10-8, another 10-9, and another was a 10-10 tie.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

They are encouraged not to give draws, so that's unlikely.

 

But I don't know why Forrest was surprised that the 30-27 went to Tito. Due to the first round, I could justify 30-27 more easily for Tito than Forrest. It was still wrong though. I would say it was a 29-27 or maybe 28. The first round really was that dominating.

 

I think the point of what he said was that if you have judges that fuck up a fight like that, eventually it will come back to bite them in the ass and they will really screw up a decision.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

They are encouraged not to give draws, so that's unlikely.

 

But I don't know why Forrest was surprised that the 30-27 went to Tito. Due to the first round, I could justify 30-27 more easily for Tito than Forrest. It was still wrong though. I would say it was a 29-27 or maybe 28. The first round really was that dominating.

 

I think the point of what he said was that if you have judges that fuck up a fight like that, eventually it will come back to bite them in the ass and they will really screw up a decision.

 

From what I've seen I never really seen a bad desicion in a fight, there were desicions I dissagreed with, but they were close fights, that really could've gone either way.

 

Boxing is much worse then UFC, as far as bad desicions.

 

New Arguement:

 

Chris Leben has proven more then Diego Sanchez.

[AboveAverage484 0]

I don't see how you can say that when Leben has beaten nobody near the level of Nick Diaz, Sanchez's biggest win. Leben has been more active but hasn't really shown me anything in those fights though.

[Lei Tong 0]

Diaz' stock has dropped a good deal due to his complete lack of gameplans, so while he's still a better opponent than anyone Leben's faced, I don't think Diego's resume matches up to Chris' as far as overall quality.