Two teens beat another one to near death...

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HOUSTON (AP) - Prosecutors won't immediately seek hate-crime charges against two white teens accused of brutally beating and sodomizing a 16-year-old Hispanic boy, who was clinging to life after being left for dead, authorities said.

 

The two attacked the boy after he tried to kiss a 12-year-old girl at an unsupervised house party Saturday night in suburban Spring, authorities said.

 

The attackers apparently were offended at the age difference between the victim and the girl, who is also Hispanic, and shouted racial slurs at him during the 10- to 15-minute attack, investigators said.

 

Authorities said the two dragged the boy from the party and into the yard, where they sodomized him with a plastic pipe from a patio table umbrella and poured bleach on him.

 

``After they got him down on the ground, they stomped his head with (steel-toed) boots,'' Harris County Sheriff's Lt. John Denholm said. ``They actually kicked the pipe further into him with the boots.''

 

County prosecutor Mike Trent described the pipe as being sharpened at one end. At one point, the teens tried to carve something on the boy's chest with a knife, he told CNN Friday.

 

``I don't know that the very beginning of the attack was racial,'' Trent said, ``but there's no question that they were venting quite a bit of hatred in their hearts.''

 

The boy was in critical condition. If he dies, Trent said, he would consider adding hate-crime charges so that 18-year-old suspect David Henry Tuck would be eligible for the death penalty. The 17-year-old suspect, Keith Robert Turner, is too young to be eligible for execution.

 

Tuck and Turner are charged with aggravated sexual assault, which carries a maximum of five years to life in prison. They were being held in the county jail.

 

If the two are convicted of aggravated sexual assault, jurors will be told during sentencing about the ethnic slurs used during the attack, Trent said.

 

``Whether it is one or isn't a hate crime, and it may be, that will make no difference here,'' Trent said. ``This is already a first-degree felony and it can't be elevated any higher. There's nowhere to go beyond this, unless the victim dies.''

 

The Anti-Defamation League wants prosecutors to add hate-crime charges even if it won't add to the penalties. ``We want the public to accept and understand that this was a hate crime,'' regional director Martin Cominsky said.

 

The victim lay behind the house for more than 10 hours before he was found and someone called an ambulance.

 

The victim was a popular football player at Klein Collins High School who also posed for a fashion layout in the school yearbook, the Houston Chronicle reported.

 

Charles Hinton, Tuck's attorney, did not return a call seeking comment. It was not known if Turner had an attorney.

 

This is a fucked up story, and it's obvious that race played a factor in the beating. However, seeing as how there's no reason to call it a hate crime since it won't add to the punishment, there's no point in calling it such. This brings up the debate of a hate crime and whether we should have them, but I think there is a bigger issue here. The fact of the matter is that most people tend to ignore the severity of these crimes if a race issue is brought up. It's really frustrating to hear people completely ignore the actual crime and debate some of the motivating factors and whether or not those should add to the penalty. These two kids should be thrown in jail for life, there's a difference between a regular fight between teens and kids and one where they beat him unconscious and then continue, going until he is near death.

 

I'm interested to see what the sentencing will be..

[snuffbox 0]

Maximum sentence - 5 years...so what they did was almost as bad as some marijuana convictions.

[daileyxplanet 0]

Well, when the boys in prison hear about this, I don't think these two will be sodomized with pipes.

[gWIL 0]

What if the victim was trying to do more than kiss the 12 year old? They're not very clear about that issue.

[snuffbox 0]

I know! Why cant the reporter just read the mind of the victim? Then we would know if he deserved this!

[gWIL 0]

Or maybe ask one of the others at the party or maybe the girl?

[snuffbox 0]

Of course! It was an ESParty!

[Jingus 0]

There's no proof here that this crime was racially motivated at all. Sure, they supposedly yelled racial slurs at him while beating him up, but if I was in beating the shit out of someone that I was enraged at, I'd be calling him stuff like "little n*gga bitch" even if he was a huge Asian dude.

[snuffbox 0]

Im going to assume (hope) that was sarcasm gone terribly awry...

[cbacon 0]

What if the victim was trying to do more than kiss the 12 year old? They're not very clear about that issue.

 

Why the fuck does that matter?

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

Or maybe ask one of the others at the party or maybe the girl?

 

Speaking of the party what about the other kids there? Did anyone see this going on or at least try to stop it? I mean really what the fuck? Guess not seeing how the beating went some 15 minutes and they didn't find his body for about 10 hours.

[Jingus 0]

Im going to assume (hope) that was sarcasm gone terribly awry...

 

Not the part about there being no real proof that this was a "hate crime", cuz there wasn't. So what if they were calling him a spic or something? I'd say the fact that they were stomping on him with steel-toed boots and raping him with a pipe is the important issue here, not whatever they were saying while they were doing it.

[SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0]

How the fuck do you not do anything, or even stop it when some kid is being fucked in the ass with a pipe? Kids are fucked up and it's sickening.

[EricMM 0]

Jingus, the point of hate crime .. stuff is that it represents the additional punishment due to an increased likelihood of recindivism or however you spell that.

 

If someone HATES a race, I mean HATES, they're likely to go off again them, again. They are not mad at one person, the person they attacked once. They are mad at a people. They are mad at strangers, and strangers will not fear them. They will not be cautious.

 

So, if the attacks were racially motivated, then they are more likely to do it again. That makes it signifigant.

 

And if the second part of your first post, the part where you said you'd call anyone you were beating up a 'little nigga' regardless of their race is ... head shakingly wrong, or stupid, or something.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

That's the dumb thing about hate crime legislation. What does it matter what the race of the victim is? What these two punks did was horrible, and they should be put away for a long time. If they had beat a white kid nearly to death, would that make the crime less evil?

[Slayer 0]

Assault and murder are just that, plain and simple, whether it's for reasons involving someone's race or wanting someone's money or revenge or whatever. The label of hate crime does nothing but cloud up all interracial (or straight on gay or whatever) crimes, whether hate motivated or not

 

Ex: If a black man attacks a family member of mine and I track him down and get revenge, I don't want the fact that I'm white and he's black to be a deciding factor of the charges/trial since I would've hunted him down no matter what his race

[Jingus 0]

Jingus, the point of hate crime .. stuff is that it represents the additional punishment due to an increased likelihood of recindivism or however you spell that.

 

If someone HATES a race, I mean HATES, they're likely to go off again them, again. They are not mad at one person, the person they attacked once. They are mad at a people. They are mad at strangers, and strangers will not fear them. They will not be cautious.

 

So, if the attacks were racially motivated, then they are more likely to do it again. That makes it signifigant.

 

And I completely disagree with that. Either someone is a violent type of person, or they're not. If they're violent, they're gonna attack people, regardless of what their motivation is. If they're not, then what does it matter if they're racist, as long as they're not doing anything about it?

 

And if the second part of your first post, the part where you said you'd call anyone you were beating up a 'little nigga' regardless of their race is ... head shakingly wrong, or stupid, or something.

 

My point was, people say a lot of bizarre and stupid stuff when they're engaged in highly emotional situations like a physical attack. You shouldn't judge their entire character by the fact that they called him names while they beat him; you should judge their character by the fact that they BEAT him.

 

Punish the crime. Don't punish what they were thinking while they committed the crime.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Punish the crime. Don't punish what they were thinking while they committed the crime.

 

Exactly. It's not a crime to hold racist views...it's a crime to beat someone, though.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

"...there's no question that they were venting quite a bit of hatred in their hearts."

 

The crime was horrible, and I hope those guys get the maximum sentence and the shit kicked out of them in jail, but the statement I quoted is a dangerous precedent. We can't have prosecutors telling people what they are thinking or feeling. And we can't be holding people culpable for thoughts.

[Ripper 0]

I honestly don't care one way or the other about hate crime legislation, but intent is a determining factor in basically every crime.

 

ANd honestly, if a kid spray paints a smiley face on my house, thats a crime. But if a person was to spray paint "Get out NIGGER" on my house, I personally would want them charged a little more harshly.

 

That whole theory gets thrown out the window in violent crime...to me anyway. But 2nd degree murders do get less time than first degree murderers and it all comes down to intent. Thats when I get trapped in any argument against hate crime legislation. Its not really any more or less different than the way every other crime is looked at.

[Vampiro69 0]

Technically isn't every crime a hate crime? If you vandalized city hall, isn't the reason you did it because you hated City Hall?

 

If you sodomize a person with a pipe, you obviously hate the person so that should be a hate crime as well.

 

So by using horrible logic: All crimes=Hate Crimes

 

(Please do not take this seriously)

[Perfxion 0]

Hate crime and terrorism laws are redundant laws, and unless they make it a seperate law with sperate time, like man 1, man 2, ect then what good are they?

 

Simple solution for these people, let the punishment fit the crime, take a rough sanded bat and stick it up their ass for the next 60 years, they will get the message real clear.

[EricMM 0]

No, ripper has a point.

 

Murder 1 and murder 2 are two different crimes, with two different sentances.

 

They measure how dangerous a person is, and punish it. What other explaination do you have for two punishments for two murders?

 

This is the same thing. A jilted lover kills one person, a racist kills one race.

[cbacon 0]

If you have the inert irrationality to kill someone, then your just as likely to kill anyone for any reason, whether the motive be race driven or anything otherwise. The motive is irrelevant.

[Ripper 0]

Except that isn't the case in any other violent crime. If you plan to go kill a guy, go over his house and do it, it is a completely different sentence than if you guys get in a fight and his is killed during it. Dude is still dead. Only in one case, its first degree murder and another is manslaughter. Thats just law dude.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

If you sodomize a person with a pipe, you obviously hate the person so that should be a hate crime as well.

 

Or you hate Pipes.

 

Motive is especially relevant because it deals with whether the person is likely to reoffend, and thus significantly impacts the sentencing.

[Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0]

Assault and murder are just that, plain and simple, whether it's for reasons involving someone's race or wanting someone's money or revenge or whatever. The label of hate crime does nothing but cloud up all interracial (or straight on gay or whatever) crimes, whether hate motivated or not

 

Special interest groups rarely think this far ahead when they're having laws passed or hassling people who disagree with them.

 

Criminals like those two should be locked away in a labour camp forever, exiled forever, or killed. Seems an easy solution without having to worry about assigning degrees when the criminals are clearly degenerates and have committed the type of crime that demands severe punishment. Highest hopes for the victim's recovery...but I don't really expect much from him in life since he was trying to get with a 12 year old.

[Guest Princess Leena]

Unless this 16-year old was raping or torturing this 12-year old girl, these two kids should receive the death penalty. And not by cheap means. A public meeting of stuffing huge objects up their ass, and watching the blood drip off their rotting corpses.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

See, that's exactly it. Clearly these two cannot live in a civilized society, and yet they will probably be on the street in less than ten years, if that. Why do we tolerate these kinds of people in our country? Put them to death and set an example. At the very least, put them in prison for life and make them manufacture goods or do work to benefit the people they've shown they can't live with.

[cbacon 0]

Unless this 16-year old was raping or torturing this 12-year old girl, these two kids should receive the death penalty.

 

So their actions would be less of a crime based on what the 16 year old may or may not have done ? Fine logic.

 

A public meeting of stuffing huge objects up their ass, and watching the blood drip off their rotting corpses.

 

That's pretty fucked up.