Who here supports the current administration?

[EricMM 0]

I can't believe people still faithfully believe in the trickle down theory.

[snuffbox 0]

The 'trickle down' faithull believe strongly in the Law of Averages...if you try long enough, it will work eventually.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I wish I had a nickel for every time Snuffbox mentioned Barry Goldwater.

 

I can't believe people still faithfully believe in the trickle down theory.

 

Don't you know that a rising tide lifts all...well, yachts, mostly.

 

On another note...it's going to be a photo finish!

 

[Darthtiki 0]

I support the administration, even though I don't agree with them on some issues (immigration, indecency, etc). I will conceed that they have screwed up on things, but it's more party wide and a shift to pussification and compromise that has gotten them in trouble. The Republicans in the 12 years of holding a majority 5 of which having a Republican president could have used their power to work the bully pulpit and chose not to, because it make them look bad in the generation of short attention span soundbite media which may cost them their jobs. However if we had a Democrat majority + a Democrat president, their agenda would be shoved through like it or not. Don't believe me, look at California, our problems came about due to a leftist absolute majority and a leftist governor (which we got rid of). Of course we replaced him with a centrist who has gotten nothing but bad advice since day one, and we still have a Legislature that is so out of touch with everybody who doesn't live in SF, LA or the coast.

 

 

As I get older, the more I equate politics to the WWE Creative Team, a group of people who seem oblivious to logic and common sense.

 

This is #2 of my 3 posts a year in this folder

[snuffbox 0]

I wish I had a nickel for every time Snuffbox mentioned Barry Goldwater.

 

With that kind of money you could start trickling down on people.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I really want some people who voted in support to show up. This is way too one-sided of a discussion.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I wonder if this poll is pretty close to the views of younger Americans at large. What is Bush's approval among young voters (I'm assuming that most of the posters here fall in the 18-29 demographic)? I would think this board would actually trend right-ward because of the content (wrestling) and the fact the majority of posters are probably male. But we did have the right-wing exodus.

 

Bush's approval rating among young voters could be as low as 20%, which is about what it is currently in this poll. Kerry beat him by over 10% among young voters, and his popularity has fallen significantly since then. I could be wrong, though.

[EricMM 0]

Young people don't vote.

 

And even over there, it's a dead heat.

[Guest Felonies!]

I would think this board would actually trend right-ward because of the content (wrestling) and the fact the majority of posters are probably male.

By the way, since I never saw you in the WWE folder when I was there, how did you happen upon our happy family? Usually the WWE folder is the intake, then people branch out to cover everything, then give up on wrestling and just post everywhere else, then finally hole up in NHB, but I think you just came straight to CE. What's your story?

 

I don't know how John Kerry could appeal to young people, much less anybody at all, except that there's a (D) next to his name, and they're the Good Guys according to MTV's Rock The Vote. Oh, also he says he likes extreme sports, though it comes off with about as much conviction as Jingus saying "I get laid several times a day." (buuuuuuuuurn.) Clinton, I get, because he was a junk food-eating saxophone-playing stoner who liked fucking around. He was the world's biggest most powerful high school student. John Kerry, though, yeesh.

[snuffbox 0]

John Kerry was the worst presidential candidate since Hubert Humphrey.

[NoCalMike 0]

I still think a lot of Bush voters are in denial that they voted for him in 2004. I mean if you look at a lot of the issues being discussed during the run up to the election, besides the War in Iraq...errr..."terrorism" there is hardly any follow-through. I mean it is like those things just stopped mattering after the election.

 

Now me, I am still in denial that Bush got re-elected, but suspect foul play just like 2000, but I am over it and have kind of just accepted this is the way it will be for a long time.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I would think this board would actually trend right-ward because of the content (wrestling) and the fact the majority of posters are probably male.

By the way, since I never saw you in the WWE folder when I was there, how did you happen upon our happy family? Usually the WWE folder is the intake, then people branch out to cover everything, then give up on wrestling and just post everywhere else, then finally hole up in NHB, but I think you just came straight to CE. What's your story?

 

I lurked for a while back in the day when I liked wrestling. That was a long time ago, like back in my late high school/early undergrad days (I'm now almost finished with my MA). I guess I never really cared enough about wrestling to actually post about it. I started to become interested in politics and stuff about the time I stopped watching wrestling.

[spman 0]

I still support my party, and still support my President, even if I don't agree with all of his current policies. If the day comes when the Democrats can all come together and develop one, solid, consistnat platform, rather then the 100 people with 100 different agendas and opinions that they seem to be now, then maybe I'll give them a chance. That's the inherent problem with the two party system, it really doesn't even narrow itself down to "Republicans" and "Democrats" anymore, the two parties can are better classified as "Republicans" and "Not Republicans". The Democratic party it seems is comprised of environmentalists, socialists, moderates, big government supporters, hippies, people who want to raise taxes, people who want to spend more money on social issues, etc. etc. etc. Outside of the far right fringe groups like Fred Phelps and the KKK, who don't even consider themselves Republicans in the first place, you don't see any sort of dissention like this on the right. The right can at least come to a concensus on issues like immigration, abortion, foreign policy, fiscal matters, and social reform, while each person who considers themselves to be a Dmeocrat has a different opinion on these issues.

[Guest JustPassinBy]

I like low taxes, am against abortion and gay marriage, and feel the GOP is tougher on terrorism than bleeding heart liberals.

 

So I'll always vote GOP.

 

My only criticism of Bush is that he spends to much money. He needs to get back to fiscal conservatism.

 

But my work deals with the stock market, and investing, so I'm always going to vote GOP. The Markets love freedom.

 

If Larry Kudlow could run for President, I'd probably vote for him. But Guiliani will be fine enough in 2008. The GOP needs to chill out about the low poll numbers because the same thing happened two years ago and Bush ended up winning in a landslide, garnering more than 50% of the vote for the first time in forever.

 

I think the economy is what will carry Bush and the GOP in the near term election. Dow Jones is about to set an all-time high. Politics always come down to the economy, and just like Clinton was carried through his turmoil due to a robust economy, the same thing will happen for the Republicans. The Dems cant really hold the war against the GOP, because all of them voted for it too. They cant really blame the President for not pulling out the troops, because the house just had a vote on it like 2 months ago and not one single person voted for it on either side.

 

Unfortunately, there's no Michael Moore around in 2006. He was the best thing to happen to the GOP in the last election. I cant think of a better person to energize the GOP base than him. A lot of politicians or activists completely miss the point about negative politics. Generally if you rip on your opponent, it doesnt sway the undecideds. It just reenergizes that person's core supporters. They feel like their leader is being attacked, so they rush to the defense. Hopefully he or Howard Dean come up with more stuff to talk about. They would rouse a GOP base thats sort of just been too relaxed since all their goals have been accomplished (control over all 3 phases of govt).

[Kismet 0]

Landslide? 50.7 vs 48.3%, 286 vs 251(and 1 to Edwards)electoral votes, and it basically came down to Ohio at the end. But don't let facts get in the way of hyperbole . Reagan/Mondale was a landslide.

No I don't support this administration. Democrats "Anybody but Bush" tactics failed unfortunetly, and the fear tactics used by the Republicans worked on enough people. I hope for better choices from both sides next time around.

[EricMM 0]

This economy may be doing well, but its doing well for very few.

 

Very few.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I think the economy is what will carry Bush and the GOP in the near term election. Dow Jones is about to set an all-time high. Politics always come down to the economy, and just like Clinton was carried through his turmoil due to a robust economy, the same thing will happen for the Republicans.

 

But when pollster Gallup recently surveyed Americans, 64 percent said the economy was getting worse. Only 33 percent described it as good, 40 percent as fair and 23 percent as poor. And that survey was taken March 13-16, before gas prices leapt more than 30 cents a gallon to a national average of $2.92.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busi..._economy10.html

 

The Dems cant really hold the war against the GOP, because all of them voted for it too.

 

21 Senators voted against it (1 Republican), 132 Reps voted against it (6 Republicans). Many of the liberal hawks have repented.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

When people talk about how wonderful the economy is, I think of my dad, who was laid off post 9/11 from some kind of job fixing something or other electronic. He's never been to college, and his computer training is out of date, he used to work on motherboards and such (I think) in the late 80s/early 90s. Anyhow, he got laid off, and the only job he could get around here is working as a chair car driver carting around old people to hospitals and the like and he makes a third or less than a third of what he used to make. AND he only got the job because my uncle worked at this company. Screw that, man. That's a darn good reason to vote against Bush, even without my being a mega liberal. I don't think Kerry can run again, and I'm unsure about Hilary, but the Dems need to run a BUTT kicker against whoever the GOP runs.

[snuffbox 0]

That 'BUTT-kicker' would be Russ Feingold...but odds are he wont be alive in January '09.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

That 'BUTT-kicker' would be Russ Feingold...but odds are he wont be alive in January '09.

 

Why? Is someone going to put a hit on him or something?

 

And Masked Man...not to be a jerk, because it sucks your dad got laid off, but don't you think part of the problem may have been that your dad's training was out of date?

[snuffbox 0]

He gives off a real Bobby K vibe. Or, he might just have a massive stroke trying to convince the Dem Party that running another Kerry/Gore/Dukakis/etc kind of candidate will continue to not work.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

That 'BUTT-kicker' would be Russ Feingold...but odds are he wont be alive in January '09.

 

You're off the Brownback bandwagon?

[snuffbox 0]

Heh...the Brownbackamania that I am insitigating is merely a joke. Hes the most comical of the candidates. I really enjoy how he cant come to grips with his problem of if the Bible is 100% right (thus proving to him that gays are bad) then how can he be so adamant about civil rights/African American issues (since the Bible wholeheartedly condones slavery far more clearly than it admonishes homosexuality). Being the golden boy of the Christian right just lines him up for hilarity, imo. I did see him on C-span yesterday speaking out in favor of some stem cell research (where the cells are used from the living/sick person) yesterday though, that was rather interesting. He seems like a decent guy and all, but hes way too close to old Phelps with the homophobia.

 

Feingold on the other hand, hes my boy.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Feingold on the other hand, hes my boy.

 

Me too.

Too bad he seems to have about an 0 in 10 chance of getting the nomination.

[NoCalMike 0]

I still support my party, and still support my President, even if I don't agree with all of his current policies. If the day comes when the Democrats can all come together and develop one, solid, consistnat platform, rather then the 100 people with 100 different agendas and opinions that they seem to be now, then maybe I'll give them a chance. That's the inherent problem with the two party system, it really doesn't even narrow itself down to "Republicans" and "Democrats" anymore, the two parties can are better classified as "Republicans" and "Not Republicans". The Democratic party it seems is comprised of environmentalists, socialists, moderates, big government supporters, hippies, people who want to raise taxes, people who want to spend more money on social issues, etc. etc. etc. Outside of the far right fringe groups like Fred Phelps and the KKK, who don't even consider themselves Republicans in the first place, you don't see any sort of dissention like this on the right. The right can at least come to a concensus on issues like immigration, abortion, foreign policy, fiscal matters, and social reform, while each person who considers themselves to be a Dmeocrat has a different opinion on these issues.

 

 

I would have to disagree. The difference right now is that the Republicans are in power, so the "royalty" of the party will strong arm all the dissenters in the party to shut their mouths in the name of staying in power. If you haven't noticed, it seems like the republican/conservative base has something to criticize Bush on every single day now, but the power players in the party usually just promise them some stupid pork in the next big defense bill, so they keep their mouths shut about what they don't approve of. Trust me, there is plenty of dissent within the two big parties on both sides, the difference is that the Democrats are out of power and are still searching for WHICH voice will be the best to win an election, while the Republicans are in power so they want to squash any minority party voice ASAP.

[snuffbox 0]

Feingold is already showing frustration with his party...on a recent C-span speech I saw he was really graying & balding on top.

 

He will probably either a)Get beaten for the nomination by some party hack ala Gene/Hube, b)Get McGoverned, or c)Get shot. Nonetheless I will be supporting him as far as it goes. I do disagree with some of his ideas but hes got the most integrity of any polititian since...that one dude from Phoenix who blew up blond girls.

[NoCalMike 0]

This economy may be doing well, but its doing well for very few.

 

Very few.

 

 

You are correct sir.

The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer.

Real Wages are going down, meaning Wages are not keeping up with inflation.

The Gap between The Upper Class and Lower Class is widening, and the Middle Class is getting smaller.

Basically, Reaganomics are back in full effect.

If Unemployment was tallied under the same standards as when Reagan was in office, it would be up around 8%

We are back living under VooDoo Economics aka The Trickle Down Theory

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

you don't see any sort of dissention like this on the right. The right can at least come to a concensus on issues like...

 

immigration

 

Hi, we're Tom Tancredo and John McCain!

 

abortion

 

Hi, we're Rudy Giuiliani and James Dobson!

 

foreign policy

 

 

Hi, we're Bill Kristol and William F. Buckley!

 

fiscal matters

 

Hi, we're George W. Bush and Grover Norquist!

[snuffbox 0]

Buckley's looking pretty rough in that photo.

[Guest JustPassinBy]

The Dems will never win elections by just targeting minorities. Minorities dont have enough votes.

 

Dems can continue to target blacks and gays, much to the delight of the GOP.

 

As long as the GOP just targets average white people, we'll be good. I'm honestly surprised Bush even tries for the black vote. They have no power, not enough votes.

 

As for gays, there's still alot of people that hate fags. Its just the truth. Plus, why make a big part of your agenda that is only relevant to maybe 5% of society.

 

Most people

#1. Hate Taxes

#2. Love babies more than aborted fetuses

#3. Hate muslim terrorists

#4. Hate the idea of gay marriage

#5. Couldnt give a rats ass about saving the whales

 

Thats just the truth.

The Dems lost their average white person base with the close of factories and demise of unionized labor.

Clinton appealed to the soccer moms that grew up in the free love 1970's and 60's.. That block of people is now gone too.

 

GOP just needs to stick to their core issues. Low taxes, strong defense, anti-abortion, and anti-gay marriage. Less govt regulations...

 

We do that, and the base will come out and vote in November.