bob_barron 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Thanks to NASA...we have sports bras? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Saying NASA gave us microcomputers is like saying Al Gore gave us the Internet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 I'm not saying we should make them leave, just withdraw support from them. What part of tactical alliances do you not understand? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Thanks to NASA...we have sports bras? You could argue they defy gravity, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 I think that the creation of THREE 24 hour news networks has been the absolute worst thing to happen to media and political debate in a long time. It's just WAYYYY too much information to be able to digest at once and instead of having reasonable debate, a lot of these shows denigrate into shouting matches and broadly paint nearly every issue into Right vs. Left or Liberals vs. Conservatives. Fox News is probably the worst at doing this, but I've seen it on CNN as well (I, like most of America, hasn't watched enough MSNBC to form an opinion other than Olbermann should never have left SportsCenter). That and these networks more often than not spend much too much time on stories that don't really deserve all the airtime they get(Kidnapped/Murdered Young Woman of the Month, for example). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Gay Marriage The 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of and from religion. As such banning gay marriage is illegal. Gays have every right to marry. The idea of a Civil Union is ridiculous as well as it is simply a form of segregation. Speaking as someone who is 100% FOR gay marriage, you really don't know shit about Constitutional law. First off, there is no such thing as freedom FROM religion, only that the government won't establish a religion. Second, the Establishment clause is NOT, nor EVER wil be, justification for allowing gay marriage. Do me a favor and read up on constitutional concepts like "equal protection", and "due process". THEN you'll understand the correct way to argue for gay marriage. You'll find out it doesn't have anything to do with your anti-religion biases. We have Nukes. Who are we to tell North Korea that they can’t have them? Because they're one of the most likely nations on the planet to USE those nukes on us. This really isn't a hard thing to understand. Same reason why we don't want Iran to get nukes. Because they're unstable and prone to either use them on our allies in the region (Israel.....though I don't suppose you'd have a problem with them getting nuked) or sell / supply them to Islamic extremists who'd be willing to bomb us with them. BTW, you pretty much are anti-Semitic, hate to tell you. Anyone who argues that Israel doesn't have a right to exist and spouts off terminology such as "zionist", which IMO is basically the more acceptable form of saying "kike", is a Jew-hater. Perhaps you're just in denail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 The First Admendment doesn't guarantee anything except that Congress cannot pass any law that fringes on a person's right to express their views, restricts anyone from worshipping God, Buddah or the Everlasting Gobstopper, to gather and basically tell the government that they are fucking things up or to publish a book titled "Why the Government Is Fucking Things Up." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorin Industries 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Speaking as someone who is 100% FOR gay marriage, you really don't know shit about Constitutional law. First off, there is no such thing as freedom FROM religion, only that the government won't establish a religion. Second, the Establishment clause is NOT, nor EVER wil be, justification BTW, you pretty much are anti-Semitic, hate to tell you. Anyone who argues that Israel doesn't have a right to exist and spouts off terminology such as "zionist", which IMO is basically the more acceptable form of saying "kike", is a Jew-hater. Perhaps you're just in denail. This is why I never argue about Israel over the internet, it always descends into accusations of anti-semitism, which always seems to me like an easy out from having a proper debate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Anyone who says they're "anti-Zionist" is basically saying they want Israel destroyed, which is just totally wrong and backwards. I agree with KingPK's comments about cable news 100%. Most of the news coverage on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc. is just awful. Too much focus on fluff, and too much wild speculation and interviews with random "experts", rather than actual news gathering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorin Industries 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 I would hesitate to agree with you on that, certainly some use anti-zionism as a cover for anti-semetic views, but I feel alot of valid debate is stopped by accusations of anti-semetism. Then again, you can say that about trying to have a debate on US policy too with accusations of anti-americanism Agree with everyone about news coverage. Splicing entertainment together with news has been a failure and just diluted our news coverage Edited for crap spelling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Anyone who...spouts off terminology such as "zionist"...is a Jew-hater. David Ben-Gurion was a Jew-hater? Someone's being ultra-PC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Anyone who says they're "anti-Zionist" is basically saying they want Israel destroyed Here are some guys that want Israel destroyed, then, in I3K world (where Pat Buchanan is generallisimo for life~!): Think before you post, guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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gWIL 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Gay Marriage The 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of and from religion. As such banning gay marriage is illegal. Gays have every right to marry. The idea of a Civil Union is ridiculous as well as it is simply a form of segregation. Speaking as someone who is 100% FOR gay marriage, you really don't know shit about Constitutional law. First off, there is no such thing as freedom FROM religion, only that the government won't establish a religion. Second, the Establishment clause is NOT, nor EVER wil be, justification for allowing gay marriage. Do me a favor and read up on constitutional concepts like "equal protection", and "due process". THEN you'll understand the correct way to argue for gay marriage. You'll find out it doesn't have anything to do with your anti-religion biases. We have Nukes. Who are we to tell North Korea that they can’t have them? Because they're one of the most likely nations on the planet to USE those nukes on us. This really isn't a hard thing to understand. Same reason why we don't want Iran to get nukes. Because they're unstable and prone to either use them on our allies in the region (Israel.....though I don't suppose you'd have a problem with them getting nuked) or sell / supply them to Islamic extremists who'd be willing to bomb us with them. BTW, you pretty much are anti-Semitic, hate to tell you. Anyone who argues that Israel doesn't have a right to exist and spouts off terminology such as "zionist", which IMO is basically the more acceptable form of saying "kike", is a Jew-hater. Perhaps you're just in denail. I know anti-Zionist Jews. They are the people that convinced me why we should not support Israel. Are they anti-Semitic? The 1st Amendment guarantees "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" that means it entitles a person to freedom OF and FROM religion. If you would, like, actually read it, you could see that. That pretty clearly states that a law can't be based off of religion. As such banning gay marriage, which is argued for on a religous basis is in violation of the 1st Amendment. On the Nukes, if I'm a smaller independent country and all the bigger countries have Nukes, I'm going to want them for my own protection. If one country has the right to have nukes, then all countries have the right to have them. If America is a country thats never going to use a Nuke, why do we have them? By the way, you're the kind of person that prevents intelligent debate by name calling and other elementary tatics. Grow up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Look: Non-proliferation states that NO MORE nations have any "right" to nukes, because the more nukes there are on Earth, the more chance one will get stolen and used, that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gWIL 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 I'm not saying we should make them leave, just withdraw support from them. What part of tactical alliances do you not understand? It's hardly a tactical alliance when they get you into more problems, than not having a presence in the middle east would. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gWIL 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Look: Non-proliferation states that NO MORE nations have any "right" to nukes, because the more nukes there are on Earth, the more chance one will get stolen and used, that's it. I agree with this in principle. I'm for there being no nukes what so ever. However, untill an agreement is made to get rid of all of them, North Korea has the right to have them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 It is in your best interest "Fair" or not, for NO ONE else to have nukes. Korea is a broke ass nation. If they were desperate, they might sell one of their nukes to someone for money to secure their power. This doesn't worry you? There is no "fairness" when someone is practically unaccountable... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Anyone who...spouts off terminology such as "zionist"...is a Jew-hater. David Ben-Gurion was a Jew-hater? Someone's being ultra-PC. Vyce thought it was cool when Peter Jennings died (because he thought he was Dan Rather)...dont expect brilliance from him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Anyone who says they're "anti-Zionist" is basically saying they want Israel destroyed Here are some guys that want Israel destroyed, then, in I3K world (where Pat Buchanan is generallisimo for life~!): Think before you post, guys. Look, I know the history of Israel. I also know that the Muslim terrorists are always spouting off about destroying the "Zionists." I don't know the stance of those Hassidic Jews in the picture you posted, but I'm sure you could dredge up some black people who thought slavery was good if you tried hard enough, too. There are fringe extremists within any ethnic group. I wasn't saying being anti-Zionist automatically meant anti-Semitism. However, I do question the motives of someone who is anti-Zionist. Most I know or have read, are blatantly pro-Palestinian (or pro-Arab), and excuse Hamas and Hezbollah because Israel is supposedly an evil entity, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Look: Non-proliferation states that NO MORE nations have any "right" to nukes, because the more nukes there are on Earth, the more chance one will get stolen and used, that's it. I agree with this in principle. I'm for there being no nukes what so ever. However, untill an agreement is made to get rid of all of them, North Korea has the right to have them. No, they don't. Are you honestly saying that Kim Jong-Il has the right to have nukes just because America has them? That we need to be fair to a psychopathic dictator? If that's the point you're advocating, it's a non-starter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 I think that the creation of THREE 24 hour news networks has been the absolute worst thing to happen to media and political debate in a long time. It's just WAYYYY too much information to be able to digest at once and instead of having reasonable debate, a lot of these shows denigrate into shouting matches and broadly paint nearly every issue into Right vs. Left or Liberals vs. Conservatives. Fox News is probably the worst at doing this, but I've seen it on CNN as well (I, like most of America, hasn't watched enough MSNBC to form an opinion other than Olbermann should never have left SportsCenter). That and these networks more often than not spend much too much time on stories that don't really deserve all the airtime they get(Kidnapped/Murdered Young Woman of the Month, for example). I think you hit the nail on the head. The 1st Amendment guarantees "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" that means it entitles a person to freedom OF and FROM religion. Exactly. Establishing a religion and using government to push your religious views on people falls within the scope of what the 1st Amendment prohibits. I don't get why there's even an argument about this. Conservatives think the government excedes its power by doing any number of things to regulate businesses, but its perfectly okay for the government to tell people to pray or to not have sex until they're married. I don't get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 It's hardly a tactical alliance when they get you into more problems, than not having a presence in the middle east would. Seriously? Are you slow? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 There are no slow people in USA! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 You kinda proved that one wrong with our argument on page six. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Sorry gipper, I am not going to argue whether or not there is poverty in America...saying there is none was among the dumber things Ive ever read and Im going to leave it at that. Occasionally I will mock your quote though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Hmmm, you might be better off just posting about baseball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Anti-Zionist? Anti-Semitic? It's the same as saying anti-Germanic or whatever the fuck else. It's no different, but it's been scarred into everyone's heads that the absolute shittiest of shitty people are those who don't like Jewish people. No other ethnic group elicits such outrage upon people remotely disapproving of them. We don't feel sorry for all the other groups that have been massacred en masse over the years, but you mention Israel or Jewish people with a negative tone and someone around you will do their damndest to make you know that you shouldn't have said that. I don't know what's so anti-Semitic about questioning the Zionist philosophy when it was obviously going to cause a LOT of problems. What prevented the Jewish population of Earth from, I don't know... not having their own country and just being like every other religion? Okay, we're gonna declare that a bunch of black people have to move out of a project in Harlem so that a white supremacist group could move in because that's where their family in this country first lived one or two hundred years ago. Just debate it like any other issue, it'll be good for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 I wasn't saying being anti-Zionist automatically meant anti-Semitism. No, you said: Anyone who says they're "anti-Zionist" is basically saying they want Israel destroyed That was fucking stupid, so I called you on it. Being anti-Zionist means you oppose having a Jewish state in Israel. Because some Anti-Semetic extremists have adopted Anti-Zionism historically and currently doesn't mean that all Anti-Zionisits are Anti-Semetic. There have been and are lots of Jewish Anti-Zionists. For instance, in Zionism's early years, many Jews were turned off by its close ties with socialism. In other words, just because some Anti-Semetists are Anti-Zionist doesn't mean that all Anti-Zionists are Anti-Semetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2006 Hmmm, you might be better off just posting about baseball. No, he really wouldn't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites