OAO ECW TV Week 8 Thread - August/1st/2006.

[Guest Princess Leena]

I thought that crap sounded familiar...

 

It would be sooo cool if Punk came to the ring with AFI.

[EricMM 0]

Misaere Cantare (sp) is one of the better ring entrance themes I've seen *anyone* come out to in recent years.

 

That plus that feeling that "Punk is coming" made it quite the song

[Guest JustPassinBy]

I noticed Punk "borrowed" some japanese wrestler's moves. In that four minute match he used KENTA's slap-kick combo, Yuji Nagata's knee to the face in the corner,

 

I've never seen knee to the face before in a WWE or ECW ring.

Thats an MMA move I've seen quite a bit.

 

I'm tellin ya, Punk should make the flying knee his finisher. Its knocked people out for real in MMA before, and its move that doesnt need alot of setting up. He can hit it at any time, which should make his matches more un predictable and fun.

[EricMM 0]

You mean the shining wizard he does?

 

That was one of his finishes for a while.

[EMAXSAUN 0]

I really enjoyed the show. Having the shows in smaller venues is amazing, and just that alone makes the product seem different than other WWE produced television. I wish that Raw/SD would tape together like they did this week, and let ECW do it's own thing on Tuesday nights. That way they would eliminate a whole day of taping, which was the reason for ECW being live after SD anyways. Regardless of that though, the show was good. I enjoyed the first two matches a lot, and the main event was just great for crowd reaction. You'd think that the higher powers in WWE would have realized what they were getting themselves into when they booked that match though. They had to have known that the fans wouldn't react well to it. I am so glad that Punk made his debut tonight where he would be super over, it will make other fans cheer for him, and makes him look like a star, too bad he didn't use AFI though, although the music he came out to was still decent enough anyways. I wonder if they will ever try to extend the show out to 2 hours, they would be able to do so much more. It's really hard to do a 1 hour live show. Like ECW on TNN was just a compilation of tapings, they should do something like that. Well, that is what I thought, hopefully RVD returns next week, and maybe they can build to some more interesting stuff in the following weeks. After the trial run is done maybe they should consider doing the smaller venues though, if they actually want to make ECW look different at all, it really helps make the show better, even if the product isn't the best thing ever.

[Ravenbomb 0]

anybody else amused by the fact that the Pepsi logo is part of his entrance video?

[Guest TheGameah]

I probably enjoyed last night's show more than any of the other WWECW shows thus far. I thought the tag match was well done, and Punk's debut was better than I had anticipated (having never seen him wrestle before). The Angle match was exactly what you might expect his return to be, and I appreciated that they jobbed out the Brawler instead of anyone on the ECW roster that needs to be established.

 

I thought the main event was great. The match itself was ugly, but the crowd reaction was not only entertaining, but I think could really help propel Heyman's "New ECW" vs. "Old ECW" angle. All they would need to do is actually acknowledge the lousy reaction of the crowd on the next show, with Heyman reiterating that he doesn't care about what the fans want to see. They could really build up alot of heel heat with Heyman and Show if they keep up with these Raw/Smackdown type main events, but working it in an angle where Sabu and RVD are both obviously being held down by Heyman. That way the old-school ECW fans would keep tuning in every week in anticipation of the Sabu or RVD payoff against Show and Heyman, while the WWE "super smart marks" get to see Batista, Cena, etc. on ECW every week. Let the Heyman/Show vs. RVD/Sabu feud build for another couple months and maybe have the payoff in a Survivor Series match.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I'm still wondering why the hell they haven't put CW Anderson on TV yet.

[dubq 0]

I wonder, if they ever use him, if they'll make him change his name around.

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

NO Srednawc?

[Ravenbomb 0]

Chris WA?

[Guest G13]

G13 Here offering my thoughts on ECW last night.I was not there live, so heres how it came across on TV. Ill go match for match. The Dreamer/Sandman vs Knox/Test match was alright. I did not expect to see the barbed wire thingy, but incase nobody notice the barbs were obviously cut down before the show. (As seen in the close ups of Dreamer yelling in pain.) NOt that it still wouldnt hurt like hell, but it wasnt very convincing. Also I simply cannot stand Test, the only thing I like about him is the TKO in which I have seen many many other wrestlers do and never as a finisher. He does have a great whiplash action to it though. Mike Knox has not impressed me one bit, it seemed like he was just in there waiting for spots or waiting to get hit by something. I also wish Dreamer would quit jobbing so much. I believe that one night stand was the last time I saw a Spiccoli Driver. Ok, I cant remember which match was next, but the Angle vs Brawler match was simply not needed. NOBODY wanted to see Angle face the Brooklyn Brawler! (Good booking Vince). I would have rather heard Angle cut a promo than watch that crap. Now onto CM Punk vs Credible. I have never seen CM wrestle before but I can already tell that this guy is what everyone should be, a great wrestler. No bullshit. Suprisingly Credible worked well with him, which is amazing considering how shitty he sold everything in the match vs Balls the week before. I love the modified tarantula, and his submission finisher. Kinda wish this would have lasted longer than it did, but for a debut it was pretty damn good, especially for ECW. Now onto this tragedy of a match between Batista-Show. Simply awful!! I could have wrestled a teddy bear on my trampoline and it would have been more entertaining infront of 3000 people!! It reminded me of the Rock vs HHH Ironman match in which the Rock threw at least 12000 right hands and wasted an hour of every fans time in the process, only the Show-Batista match was cut down into 15 minutes of punching and 5 minutes of standing there looking stupid. What the fuck was Vince thinking!!?? I almost expected Batista to pick up the Big SHow and display some strength , since I remember Cena being able to FU Show on more than one occasion, but I was very dissapointed when the only fuckin power move was a spinebuster where Shows feet left the ground about 15 inches. The only joy I got out of this shitfest was the NYC fans chanting "Change the Channel". Ha Ha! Thats great!!

The Sabu run-in could have worked out better as well, but it was a HUGE sigh of relief after the shittiest match ever in ECW ended in a DQ. Terrible ring work by both big men, have they ever heard of rehearsals???As for Sabu, hes fuckin nuts and I love him, he is the ECW Champion that everyone wants to see, if not RVD. Show is like Flair or Foley, if there is no blood or a good bump, their matches simply suck do to the lack of , oh whats it called..........ohh.....WRESTLING!!

 

I'm done ---- G13 aka Gemini

[dubq 0]

Woah dude. The Enter key is there for a reason...

[skullman80 0]

G13 Here offering my thoughts on ECW last night.I was not there live, so heres how it came across on TV. Ill go match for match. The Dreamer/Sandman vs Knox/Test match was alright. I did not expect to see the barbed wire thingy, but incase nobody notice the barbs were obviously cut down before the show. (As seen in the close ups of Dreamer yelling in pain.) NOt that it still wouldnt hurt like hell, but it wasnt very convincing. Also I simply cannot stand Test, the only thing I like about him is the TKO in which I have seen many many other wrestlers do and never as a finisher. He does have a great whiplash action to it though. Mike Knox has not impressed me one bit, it seemed like he was just in there waiting for spots or waiting to get hit by something. I also wish Dreamer would quit jobbing so much. I believe that one night stand was the last time I saw a Spiccoli Driver. Ok, I cant remember which match was next, but the Angle vs Brawler match was simply not needed. NOBODY wanted to see Angle face the Brooklyn Brawler! (Good booking Vince). I would have rather heard Angle cut a promo than watch that crap. Now onto CM Punk vs Credible. I have never seen CM wrestle before but I can already tell that this guy is what everyone should be, a great wrestler. No bullshit. Suprisingly Credible worked well with him, which is amazing considering how shitty he sold everything in the match vs Balls the week before. I love the modified tarantula, and his submission finisher. Kinda wish this would have lasted longer than it did, but for a debut it was pretty damn good, especially for ECW. Now onto this tragedy of a match between Batista-Show. Simply awful!! I could have wrestled a teddy bear on my trampoline and it would have been more entertaining infront of 3000 people!! It reminded me of the Rock vs HHH Ironman match in which the Rock threw at least 12000 right hands and wasted an hour of every fans time in the process, only the Show-Batista match was cut down into 15 minutes of punching and 5 minutes of standing there looking stupid. What the fuck was Vince thinking!!?? I almost expected Batista to pick up the Big SHow and display some strength , since I remember Cena being able to FU Show on more than one occasion, but I was very dissapointed when the only fuckin power move was a spinebuster where Shows feet left the ground about 15 inches. The only joy I got out of this shitfest was the NYC fans chanting "Change the Channel". Ha Ha! Thats great!!

The Sabu run-in could have worked out better as well, but it was a HUGE sigh of relief after the shittiest match ever in ECW ended in a DQ. Terrible ring work by both big men, have they ever heard of rehearsals???As for Sabu, hes fuckin nuts and I love him, he is the ECW Champion that everyone wants to see, if not RVD. Show is like Flair or Foley, if there is no blood or a good bump, their matches simply suck do to the lack of , oh whats it called..........ohh.....WRESTLING!!

 

I'm done ---- G13 aka Gemini

 

 

Paragraphs are your friend. That was tough to read.

[Enigma 0]

From PWI:

 

Vince and Shane McMahon were backstage at last night's ECW taping and by all accounts, were very happy with how the taping went. If you watch the backstage vignette where Paul Heyman is shunned by his ECW performers, you can see Vince watching on a monitor in the background. Yes, that was Francine making her TV debut last night in the same segment.

 

Fit Finlay and Dean Malenko worked as agents for the Hammerstein taping.

 

WWE claimed that the Hammerstein Ballroom was sold out last night, but it certainly seemed that there were a lot less fans there compared to the two One Night Stand PPVs. Tickets were available at the box office all the way up to show time. There were also a lot of fans outside trying to unload extra tickets for well below face value.

 

ECW Vixen Trinity, still recovering from knee surgery, was backstage at last night's taping sporting a knee brace.

 

Tony Devito, Simon Dean, and Jazz were also backstage.

 

Brian Kendrick suffered a bloody nose during his tag match with Paul London against the Full Blooded Italians.

 

The new referees working for ECW last night (who I believe are getting WWE tryouts this week) were Scott Armstrong and James Beard. Armstrong is a former WCW worker and obviously, the son of Bullet Bob Armstrong. Beard worked for a long time with the Von Erichs' World Class Championship Wrestling.

 

Since WWE were in the Northeast this week for the ECW taping, several members of the old ECW referee troupe were used as well.

 

Although there weren't any loud chants, there were a ton of fans catcalling ring announcer Justin Roberts all night over his replacing Stephen DeAngelis. WWE had Roberts enter the ring while the lights in the venue were off during a video feature on ECW One Night Stand 2005, which I have to wonder was done purposely to prevent Roberts from being verbally assaulted by the old school fans that were there.

[razazteca 0]

I'm still wondering why the hell they haven't put CW Anderson on TV yet.

OA Kennedy, and is Johnny Swinger still employed?

[Hawk 34 0]

Last night's show was interesting on many levels from the reactions of the fans, the energy of the wrestlers and even the viewpoints adapted here.

 

The opening tag match was almost vintage ECW with a hot crowd for a semi-decent brawl that involved blood, chicks and barbed wire. I think alot of you guys are way to impatient with the Heyman Vs Old ECW storyline. It's a slow burn and slow burns are almost always a better way of going about things, I know it's not a standard pratice at WWE HQ and that's why alot of you are complaining about it. It's building to something, Heyman/TBS/Test/Knox/Bashams/Kelly is a good connected stable going against the OLD ECW led by Dreamer/Sandman/Sabu and RVD when he returns.

 

It's interesting to see the reactions here for CM Punk. Punk has had a reputation for being one of the best in the world for not just his work inside the ring but for his promos and his charisma. What is everyone's first reaction to him? That he can work, has charisma and has a different look and moveset.

 

Look at JustPassingBy, who apparently never seen a shining wizard despite the fact Hurricane, Tajiri and London have been doing it on WWE tv for years. That blows him away. Punk's 5 minute match showcased just a minimal part of his ability but the crowd(a perfect place to debut him) made him look like a superstar. It's rare for someone to debut to a "new" crowd like that.

 

The camera frame with Punk and the "I paid to see CM Punk" sign was just superb. It added to the whole aura.

 

Punk has been booked almost to perfection in ECW and that's because of Paul Heyman. Hopefully next week Punk can work with someone more skilled in the ring instead of Credible.

 

Angle's squash was pointless and I actually think he needs to take more time off because ECW doesn't need him.

 

Kevin Thorn? Yikes. Fertig was fine for a vampire name. Martinez reallys looks good in vampire gear.

 

The main event was expected to be a entertaining train wreck and it was. Usually, I would say the opener should main evented but that crowd really pushed the New Vs Old ECW storyline. It's a shame that type of crowd won't be in effect much longer.

 

Mary-Kate, of ROH was great ringside(she was the oft referenced girl in the Franchise shirt). It's things like that I love about NYC crowds. You can debate all you want about "hypocritical fans" and whatnot but that crowd had something very few WWE crowds have and that is passion and interest. I'll take a "hypocritical" crowd over a dead crowd.

 

ECW is the most important brand for WWE right now. No, really. Smackdown might have better "wrestling" but it doesn't mean anything as the show is presented as junk with a depleted roster and no star power beyond Batista and Mysterio. Raw has been in the dumpster for awhile now despite having a healthier and active roster. The two main storylines are recycled garbage and the most interesting storyline is Foley's masturbatory angle with Flair that only a handful of the crowd gets to begin with.

 

ECW has a smaller but more defined roster aside from the rotating main event slots with Raw/Smackdown which has to end now since ECW will get the extension. They have the ability to stretch out storylines due to a lack of PPV build. Only one match will end up at Summer Slam, so you can slowly build storylines now and establish characters.

[Alro 0]

OA Kennedy, and is Johnny Swinger still employed?

 

Swinger was released about a month ago. They did a Loser Leaves DSW match with him the day he was released.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Which match from the 8/1/06 ECW on Sci Fi was your favorite?

Big Show vs. Batista 30.34 % 18972 Votes

Extreme Rules Tag Match 30.27 % 18933 Votes

Angle vs. Brawler 5.21 % 3261 Votes

CM Punk vs. Credible 34.16 % 21364 Votes

 

Total Votes: 62530

[The Tino Standard 0]

It's a slow burn and slow burns are almost always a better way of going about things, I know it's not a standard pratice at WWE HQ and that's why alot of you are complaining about it.

 

OK, let's review:

 

- Shawn Michaels has been fighting the McMahons since December, with the only real progression being that now Triple H is involved. And with that being the case, there's talk of DX fighting the McMahons well into the fall.

 

- Rey Mysterio has been leeching heat off the Guerrero name since Eddie died last November, yet only in the last two weeks has something finally been done about it.

 

- Cena feuded with Angle for more than four straight months. Other than a brief WM program with Triple H, he's been battling with Edge for virtually all of 2006.

 

And THIS is the company that doesn't do anything on a slow burn?

[dubq 0]

Look at JustPassingBy, who apparently never seen a shining wizard despite the fact Hurricane, Tajiri and London have been doing it on WWE tv for years. That blows him away. Punk's 5 minute match showcased just a minimal part of his ability but the crowd(a perfect place to debut him) made him look like a superstar. It's rare for someone to debut to a "new" crowd like that.

 

 

To be fair, what Hurricane/Helms does is not a Shining Wizard. Shining Wizard uses the knee, Helms modifies it into an enzuigiri type move.

[Maztinho 0]

Look at JustPassingBy, who apparently never seen a shining wizard despite the fact Hurricane, Tajiri and London have been doing it on WWE tv for years. That blows him away. Punk's 5 minute match showcased just a minimal part of his ability but the crowd(a perfect place to debut him) made him look like a superstar. It's rare for someone to debut to a "new" crowd like that.

 

 

To be fair, what Hurricane/Helms does is not a Shining Wizard. Shining Wizard uses the knee, Helms modifies it into an enzuigiri type move.

 

Helms does the Shining Apprentice, they just called it the Shining Wizard.

[Jericholic82 0]

I was kind of sad Punk didn't come out to AFI

 

 

 

I thought he did...............

 

 

At least that's what I heard during the show.

C.M. Punk used the Killswitch Engage song "This Fire Burns" that's on the WWE Wreckess Intent CD, the same theme Randy Orton used briefly on Smackdown for 3 weeks in early 2006.

also was the judgment day 2006 theme

 

 

anyhow the tv show was fine. Wish I could been there live but it was too hot to do anything yesterday. why would you book Batista vs Big Show on an "ecw" show in NYC of all places?

 

and Styles and Tazz tried to downplay it and sounded just like wwe spin. guess that whole shoot promo wasnt all that true eh joey?

 

 

 

oh well what can you do.

 

I still plan on going to the ECW house show in White Plains on Aug 13. Anyone else here in NYC area going?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The crowd reaction to the main event was incredible. Of course WWE knew what the reaction would be, and I have to think it's going to be used as an excuse, as if any were needed, to make the new ECW even more unlike the real ECW.

[dubq 0]

I didn't actually see the show aside from the videos on WWE.com. What was the reaction to the main event in the stands?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What was the reaction to the main event in the stands?

Absolute hatred and outright rejection.

[dubq 0]

NICE! Thank god for YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIRpTnpI4bs

 

[Guest panthermatt7]

It's a slow burn and slow burns are almost always a better way of going about things, I know it's not a standard pratice at WWE HQ and that's why alot of you are complaining about it.

 

OK, let's review:

 

- Shawn Michaels has been fighting the McMahons since December, with the only real progression being that now Triple H is involved. And with that being the case, there's talk of DX fighting the McMahons well into the fall.

 

- Rey Mysterio has been leeching heat off the Guerrero name since Eddie died last November, yet only in the last two weeks has something finally been done about it.

 

- Cena feuded with Angle for more than four straight months. Other than a brief WM program with Triple H, he's been battling with Edge for virtually all of 2006.

 

And THIS is the company that doesn't do anything on a slow burn?

 

That's the difference between 'slow burn' and 'boring.' A slow burn has storylines that slowly progress and build heat until it's at an overflow, and THEN the climax to the story occurs. 'Boring' has no progression, and just the same crap every week (for example, DX continually embarassing the McMahons and Spirit Squad; the only new part of that feud is Umaga's sudden involvement).

 

An example: Batista/HHH was a slow burn that paid off very well for all involved. Rock vs the McMahon/Helmsley regime back in 2001(?) was another well-done slow build.

 

Granted, I don't really watch much wrestling anymore due to work conflicts, but what I have caught of ECW has been far more interesting than RAW (I have never been able to stand Smackdown since even four years ago, I don't know why).

[Guest nokia]

I LOVE that crowd !!

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

So who deserves credit for coming up with that "Change the Channel" chant? Have you ever seen a wrestler giving off the vibe that they believe they can't wait to get out of there like Dave Bautista last night? What a difference between him and John Cena, but then again, Cena has far more experience at being the top babyface that 80% of the crowd hates.

 

From Meltzer.