PRIDE in USA, October 21st!

[Guest DRH 502]

Damn. I've never saw Mike Tyson fight (I don't really care for boxing) but I know the hype he created at one time. I also know he hasn't done so hot in a few years. Is CroCop good enough to beat Tyson in a boxing match?

[Lei Tong 0]

Short answer: No.

 

Long answer: Fuck no.

[snuffbox 0]

He's no Kevin McBride.

[Lei Tong 0]

Not even close.

[Damaramu 0]

I thought some of the better strikers in MMA were as good as pro-boxers.....I guess I was really really wrong?

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

There's a big difference between boxing and kickboxing. Cro Cop was/is a kickboxer.

 

In a boxing match, most Kickboxers would have a hard time lasting with Tyson.

 

In a Kickboxing fight, Tyson would get owned so damn fast by the elite fighters it's not even funny.

 

Now, I'd pay to see Mark Hunt v.s. Tyson just to see if Tyson could KO Hunt. My money is on no.

[Lei Tong 0]

Pretty much. People forget how different the sports (K-1, boxing & MMA) are in terms of strategies and skillsets, and the fact that boxing draws from a much deeper athletic talent pool than pretty much any other combat art.

 

Off the top of my head, the last time a great K-1 striker fought a pro boxer worth half a shit, Chester Hughes mauled Ray Sefo in about 45 seconds, and Ray's boxing is much, MUCH better than Mirko's.

[Lei Tong 0]

On further thought, Matt Skelton has made a pretty good transition to boxing, but I still stand by my opinion that Mirko wouldn't stand much of a chance with a shot Tyson in a boxing match.

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

The thing is, with Boxing, you train the skill of pure fist striking. How to avoid them, how to take them, how to utilize that weapon to it's best form.

 

Kickboxing is basicly the next evolutionary step up from Boxing, as it gives you more weapons to work with while still retaining the original basics. They aren't as refined as boxing's one weapon, but it's still a part of it.

 

Basicly, a Kickboxer doing Boxing, is about as fair as a Jiu Jitsu fighter fighting in a Kickboxing fight with no ground fighting. You are basicly robbing them of a significant, or almost ALL of their weapons. That's why in a Boxing fight, most MMA and Kickboxing guys wouldn't be able to last with Tyson, despite Tyson's weaknesses anymore. It takes away a huge chunk of what that person can do, or would do. In a kickboxing fight, Tyson has no knowlege of kicks, so Mirko would likely tee-off on his legs with low kicks, which Tyson wouldn't avoid, or check, until Tyson could no longer move well, and then Mirko would move in for the kill.

 

It's just two different worlds.

[Damaramu 0]

Well see I ask because the gym I train at teaches kickboxing, boxing, jiu-jitsu.

Also if you have competed in a combat sport for a year(you HAVE to actively compete for one year in any of those three combat sports) you can start training MMA.

But I ask because we have guys that train exclusively kickboxing and our coach sets up boxing matches for them and they usually do pretty well. We had one guy do pretty well in the golden gloves tournament here recently.

[Guest DRH 502]

Dude I wish I lived in a city that had a fucking club like that. You are lucky! I'd train some judo, boxing and kickboxing and coupled with my tremendous strength i'd be slamming and knocking out cats in MMA training big time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...or i'd be getting beat up. I'd still love to try.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Went to the Aladdin Hotel/Casino Presented By Planet Hollywood Hotel/Casino (what the hell?) for lunch today and they have a boxing ring set up on the upper floor near the buffet entrance. Tyson was training and it was drawing a crowd, although I felt sort of sorry for the guy because it's kind of sad that he's a free public spectacle now. There were some slot machines set up next to the ring and some people were gambling and not even bothering to raise their heads up from their machines to look at it.

 

Anyway, he was doing his usual thing, standing mostly still and then throwing out high-speed punches out of nowhere. At the end he started getting kind of stiff and beating the mitt-guy's hands like a jackhammer. Keep in mind I have no knowledge of boxing, though, so even a total jobber practicing would probably be exciting.

 

I don't know who the hell he's fighting, but he's obviously at the point where he doesn't want to fight but has to keep fighting because he's broke and fighting is the only thing he's got.

[AboveAverage484 0]

On further thought, Matt Skelton has made a pretty good transition to boxing, but I still stand by my opinion that Mirko wouldn't stand much of a chance with a shot Tyson in a boxing match.

 

Which is pretty strange, as I never thought his boxing in K-1 was anything special. Sefo getting KO'd by journeyman Hughes is also pretty surreal the first time you see it after years of watching Ray's granite chin in K-1.

 

Now that Bernardo's retired, Le Banner is the only K-1 fighter (besides Botha, obviously) who would even stand a faint chance at beating Tyson in boxing. He has the size, the strength, the speed, and the roids, but Tyson would still probably KO him at some point in the earlier rounds.

[Damaramu 0]

Ok so explain to me all the differneces in what you learn for MMA, boxing, and kickboxing as far as striking goes.

Because I always thought that MMA fighters learned how to kickbox as well as grapple thus making them decent kickboxers and I thought kickboxing was basically just boxing with using your legs.

I mean I kickbox but I've never taken a boxing class so I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference in what we learn.

But like I said we have kickboxers compete in boxing tournaments and do well from our school.

[AboveAverage484 0]

Ok so explain to me all the differneces in what you learn for MMA, boxing, and kickboxing as far as striking goes.

Because I always thought that MMA fighters learned how to kickbox as well as grapple thus making them decent kickboxers and I thought kickboxing was basically just boxing with using your legs.

I mean I kickbox but I've never taken a boxing class so I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference in what we learn.

But like I said we have kickboxers compete in boxing tournaments and do well from our school.

 

Well, kickboxing and boxing are different like night and day. A lot of times in kickboxing you will use your jab to set up not only strongside punches but kicks and knees as well, forcing you to adapt a whole different mode of defense than you would in a boxing match. That's just one of the small differences, but I think you can get the idea of what I'm trying to say from it.

[Damaramu 0]

So if I trained hard at kickboxing and got good at it I couldn't do well at an amateur boxing or golden gloves tournament? Some guys from my gym have. They may have done some extra boxing training but I know for the most part they did kickboxing.

[AboveAverage484 0]

So if I trained hard at kickboxing and got good at it I couldn't do well at an amateur boxing or golden gloves tournament? Some guys from my gym have. They may have done some extra boxing training but I know for the most part they did kickboxing.

 

Well, you can get a good foundation in boxing while kickboxing. For example, a good boxer in kickboxing usually translates to a pretty good amateur boxer, but as you start to advance up the ranks, unless you train exclusively in boxing, it won't serve you as well. I know that sounds kind of fudged, but I'm kind of at a loss as to how to adequately explain my point.

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Jobber - Apparently Tyson will be fighting 'exhibition matches' in the future. No word yet on who the opponents will be...but one good guess might be the comebacking Mitch 'Blood' Green, whom Tyson beat in the ring and in a famous street brawl in the 80's.

[razazteca 0]

By having Tyson fight a top star would ruin Pride FC and MMA in the eyes of the casual fans. I can't believe you people are acting like Mike Tyson is relavent to boxing today! The last time Mike Tyson was on PPV he was fighting low level journymen boxers and was LOSING! Mike Tyson in this point in his career is no longer the main event no longer the man to fear but rather the side attraction the freakshow the fat bastard or giant if you will. If Tyson is going to fight for PRIDE FC then put in a fight against someone whose name resembles food like Cabbage or Butterbean. I'm not sure what the special rules for the rumored fight is but there is no way that Mike Tyson can last the 10 minutes of the 1st round without getting tired, and even if they adjust to 3 minute rounds I doubt that he can last 2 rounds with someone the caliber of say Gary Goodridge.

 

Mike Tyson working MMA would be a huge distaster just like Ultimate Warrior or Bret Hart in WCW.

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

Tyson means little to nothing in the US anymore, but abroad? Tyson's still a gigantic name.

 

PRIDE can use Tyson to not only boost their falling status in Japan, but also use him to bridge into other markets with exhibition fights.

 

Tyson won't fight in anything but boxing, and PRIDE won't put their top guys against him. That's just something you gotta accept.

[razazteca 0]

I thought MMA wanted to be a serious sport not the theater of the moronic that is pro wrestling.

[I like Forums 0]

No that's just the UFC.

[razazteca 0]

DSE should make every video gamer's wetdream come true by promoting Mike Tyson vs Takada in HUSTLE.

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

It seems like you haven't followed DSE a whole lot...Basicly, PRIDE has hijacked every element of Pro-Wrestling that can be applied to MMA. Storylines, production, characters, they've taken all the good ideas and left the bad. Before PRIDE went "boom" with the media in terms of importance, MMA never really hurt Pro-Wrestling, atleast K-1 did not but it could be argued that it was a different beast. Simply put, PRIDE took everything that worked about Pro-Wrestling, amped up the glitz and glamour even higher and threw it on an unbooked event.

 

Take away the real fights, and DSE *IS* pro-wrestling.

[I like Forums 0]

And I love that about Pride.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

PRIDE has yet to do any tag-team fights. I'm still waiting on Coleman/Baroni vs Shogun/Wandy.

[razazteca 0]

PRIDE has yet to do any tag-team fights. I'm still waiting on Coleman/Baroni vs Shogun/Wandy.

What that hasn't happen in NJPW yet?

 

atleast K-1 did not but it could be argued that it was a different beast.

Do they still wear boxing gloves and have 3 minute rounds? And yes I am 5 years behind the times due to ESPN replaying the same damn Bob Sapp vs Hoost fights.

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

The kickboxing does, yes. K-1 now does MMA under the name "HEROS" though, which has taken a chunk out of PRIDE. They've basicly used PRIDE"s own tactics against them with slick production, storylines, and characters.

 

And now that it's been mentioned, it's kinda funny that PRIDE's never done a tag team shoot. I remember hearing one promotion tried it.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

That promotion would be ZST.

[I like Forums 0]

I saw a shoot tag team match. It was interesting. They did it elimination style so after the first guy got submitted, it became a shoot handicap match.

 

It was kinda cool but the quality difference between the opponents was noticable. If I had known who the fighters were it might have been more enjoyable as well.