Wii

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

We had a grand ol time playing Wii Sports at a moving out party on Sunday.

[AlexPuma 0]

I'd rather not play crummy, limited techdemos that carry a full price tag, but that's just me.

 

I thought you said you liked Motor Storm?

 

EDIT:

 

And yes, Bonk's Adventure is better than both Motor Storm and ExciteTruck.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Man, that should totally go in my sig, but I don't want to stain my academically relevant quotes Oh well, thanks for the chuckle.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

While I agree that 50 posts should know his place and bow to your wisdom, GQ (high five on the killer burns, my friend), from what I understand his comment about Motor Storm being a PS3 tech racing demo is not totally far off.

 

And come on now Shinj, Super Paper Mario (from what my Wii owning friends tell me) is awesome. Zelda, Super Paper, and Wii Sports parties seem like good enough reasons to own one and Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. should be killer. Nintendo always provides that great first-party software that makes up for their limited 3rd party offerings.

[World's Worst Man 0]

I'd rather have VF5 than any of the titles you mentioned Good thing it's coming out on the XBox 360 so I don't have to buy a PS3.

 

I don't care really. Motorstorm might very well be a glorified tech demo, which would give the PS3 a neat bit of synchronicity with the Wii. I just relish the Nintendo fanboyism. I guess I should have treated it like a zoo, you know, how you can look at the animals, but not feed them. I can't help myself.

[Thoth 0]

I bought a Wii for the SNK support.

 

I wish SNK of America didn't suck eggs right now.

[AndrewTS 0]

Castlevania, Zelda, and Mario are better than Motorstorm.

 

I look forward to not buying VF5 on 360 this July.

[Thoth 0]

The games that I like are way better than the games that you like.

[AndrewTS 0]

no wai!

 

But Art of Fighting is better than Virtua Fighter, anyway.

[Black Lushus 0]

If I made a game, it would be better than a game you made....wait a minute....

[Anya 0]

PS3 has and will probably always have better fighting games then Wii.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Art of Fighting isn't that good, sorry. The only thing it has over VF is boobs. Now World Heroes is without equal.

[Black Lushus 0]

World Heroes! fuck yes!

[World's Worst Man 0]

PS3 has and will probably always have better fighting games then Wii.

 

Not if they release the NES version of MK3 on the VC. It's an NES game, it must be great!

[The Man in Blak 0]

Motorstorm might very well be a glorified tech demo, which would give the PS3 a neat bit of synchronicity with the Wii.

 

Have you even played the game that you continually bitch about? I can definitely understand slamming something like Wii Play for being a glorified technical demo, but Wii Sports is arguably the best launch title of this console cycle, offering very underrated gameplay that almost anybody can pick up and enjoy at a ridiculous price ($0, considering that the price to purchase the console it's packed in with is a sunk cost). It may seem like crazy talk to the hardcore gamer populace, but you cannot underestimate the game's crossover impact - there are people at work talking about this game, people that haven't picked up a game since the SNES days, months after the console has launched. A couple of instances of lackluster execution (golf, boxing) keep it from being an absolute classic, but the rest of the package offers a fun arcade-style sports game that's happens to double as a damn good party game.

 

And, to be completely frank, I would take Bonk's Adventure over MotorStorm and Excite Truck. Outdated graphics and all, Bonk is still an above-average platformer that still plays fairly well to this day, while the other two struggle to deliver even mediocre gameplay, especially when compared to other racing games that have preceded them.

[AndrewTS 0]

Bonk's Adventure I don't find quite so hot, and in fact mediocre in its own right. However, it appears Revenge is far superior, so I'll probably give it a shot down the line.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Motorstorm might very well be a glorified tech demo, which would give the PS3 a neat bit of synchronicity with the Wii.

 

Have you even played the game that you continually bitch about? I can definitely understand slamming something like Wii Play for being a glorified technical demo, but Wii Sports is arguably the best launch title of this console cycle, offering very underrated gameplay that almost anybody can pick up and enjoy at a ridiculous price ($0, considering that the price to purchase the console it's packed in with is a sunk cost). It may seem like crazy talk to the hardcore gamer populace, but you cannot underestimate the game's crossover impact - there are people at work talking abot this game, people that haven't picked up a game since the SNES days, months after the console has launched. A couple of instances of lackluster execution (golf, boxing) keep it from being an absolute classic, but the rest of the package offers a fun arcade-style sports game that's happens to double as a damn good party game.

 

And, to be completely frank, I would take Bonk's Adventure over MotorStorm and Excite Truck. Outdated graphics and all, Bonk is still an above-average platformer that still plays fairly well to this day, while the other two struggle to deliver even mediocre gameplay, especially when compared to other racing games that have preceded them.

 

Clearly I haven't played it. The Wii that I own and have mentioned numerous times didn't come with it. But seriously, Wii Sports sucks. 3 of the 5 games have incredibly simplistic gameplay, one of which is unresponsive and just downright poor, and none of them have any sort of replay value. Even the "good" games are incredibly limited with what you can do. They're basically the definition of a tech-demo. But hey, if that doesn't matter to you, all the more power to you. For me, depth of gameplay and replay value is important. Given the popularity of crappy 8 and 16 bit games being sold for $5-8, I guess I'm in the minority.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Wii Sports is an excellent intro for the casual gamer and explicity shows why the Wii is different from every other consold that has been on the market for the past ten years. It may be demo-esque but it has sold the system to tons of people. Hell, I was sold on it after playing it.

[AndrewTS 0]

http://www.ebay.com

 

Although seriously--Wii Sports is a tech demo. It's a tech demo with a fun bowling game, and a boxing game with a control scheme that has *potential* be used much better in a future boxing game. But it's still a tech demo. And it's free unless you live in Japan, where people are paying about $200 for the Wii but buying Wii Sports in massive numbers anyway.

 

WWM was more against similar titles being sold for full retail. I'm not going to enter that argument, as I don't want to split hairs over Wii Sports' "free" remote or the like. =/

[World's Worst Man 0]

Wii Sports is an excellent intro for the casual gamer and explicity shows why the Wii is different from every other consold that has been on the market for the past ten years. It may be demo-esque but it has sold the system to tons of people. Hell, I was sold on it after playing it.

 

You won't see any argument from me about the success of the game. For reasons you've detailed, plus the fact that despite charging full price for a collection of tech-demos, it's moving good numbers in Japan.

[AlexPuma 0]

I do give Virtual Fighter it's due props though. Just because I personally cannot get into it, doesn't mean the game is bad. It just isn't a killer ap at all outside the hardcore fighters. An those, sadly, do not exist in large numbers.

 

However, when the VC starts getting some Neo Geo games (I forget that if it has been mentioned in the topic or not), I will be buying a Samurai Showdown game the day it comes out. I don't know why, that's the only fighting series I can get into, asid from Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter, of course.

[Anya 0]

Tekken 5 DR = Killer ap.

[World's Worst Man 0]

The Wii software clearly beats out the PS3 software for mass appeal, that's for sure. But I personally would prefer VF5 and MLB The Show '07 over what the Wii is offering. Still not buying a PS3 though

[AlexPuma 0]

Tekken 5: DR on PS3 is as much of a killer ap as Resident Evil 4 Wiimake will be on the Wii.

[Anya 0]

RE4 is on two other consoles, T5DR isn't on any other.

 

It's the biggest 3D fighting game now. If VF5 is a killer ap("for the hardcore") so is it.

[AlexPuma 0]

My friend has Tekken 5 for the PS2, though. So I won't need to play the PS3 version at all.

[AndrewTS 0]

T5: DR is like....SUPER Tekken 5. It's a big upgrade.

[AlexPuma 0]

So it's like Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 then? Only, you know, without the pallet swapped ninjas?

[The Man in Blak 0]

Clearly I haven't played it. The Wii that I own and have mentioned numerous times didn't come with it. But seriously, Wii Sports sucks. 3 of the 5 games have incredibly simplistic gameplay, one of which is unresponsive and just downright poor, and none of them have any sort of replay value. Even the "good" games are incredibly limited with what you can do. They're basically the definition of a tech-demo. But hey, if that doesn't matter to you, all the more power to you. For me, depth of gameplay and replay value is important. Given the popularity of crappy 8 and 16 bit games being sold for $5-8, I guess I'm in the minority.

 

Clearly, I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of every post you've ever made here. The three to five minutes that I spent typing my response would have been better spent studying your gaming habits so that I might possibly gleam some additional value from such insightful commentary as "Man, that should totally go in my sig."

 

But seriously, I think you're being overly dismissive of the game. I'd be interested in an explanation as to why you consider the gameplay to be simplistic, when there are actual levels of skill captured by the game, in addition to the general motion sensitivity. You can actually learn to put more spin on the bowling ball, put more velocity on your fastball over time...in other words, improve your ability (both physical and mental) at the game over time. Contrast this with Wii Play (which really fits the bill of "vapid tech demo", in my opinion), where the level of detail used for the gameplay is considerably smaller; you basically move, tilt, and that's about it, without much too complex of movement analysis beyond that.

 

There are five game types out there (and, admittedly, one or two of them are mostly useless), but there are different variations off of those game types in the training sessions that work remarkably well. Furthermore, in terms of replay value, many of the different incarnations of the games are well suited for multiplayer, which has made the game into a very popular party game. Even beyond that, the Wii Fitness tests allow another level of completion in the game, requiring the user to measure their progress throughout the game as a whole. Obviously, the graphics aren't a technical tour de force by any means, but they certainly convey a cartoony "arcade sports" that suits the game well. There's little or no music to speak of, but the sound effects (save for the lousy wiimote speaker sounds) do a fair job of immersing the player.

 

Overall, I think Wii Sports is a fair bit more than crappy prototype-reborn-as-shovelware (seriously, Wii Play, can't emphasize it enough) and, ultimately, it works as a great mission statement for what Nintendo wants to do with this console generation. It sells the Wii, figuratively and literally. I probably don't know any more than the people that actually break down and critique games, though, so take it for what you will.

 

Bonk's Adventure I don't find quite so hot, and in fact mediocre in its own right. However, it appears Revenge is far superior, so I'll probably give it a shot down the line.

 

Maybe I'm mixing up the two; it's been a while since I played either of them. In either case, even mediocrity would be a step above what I get out of MotorStorm and Excite Truck, in my opinion.

[Thoth 0]

While I'm on the Wii side of this debate, I guess, anyone who thinks Tekken 5 DR is just like Super Tekken 5 has never played Tekken 5 DR.

 

That said, Guilty Gear XX Accent Core. Seriously.