Guest Felonies! Report post Posted November 20, 2006 My vote would have been for Pujols, by the way. You guys need to calm down when voters don't take things into account like VORP or whatever other crazy stats you can come up with. Do you think somebody like Buster Olney knows what that is? Did I miss something? Is Buster Olney the sole arbiter of baseball ability? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 My vote would have been for Pujols, by the way. You guys need to calm down when voters don't take things into account like VORP or whatever other crazy stats you can come up with. Do you think somebody like Buster Olney knows what that is? I'm not sure if you picked Olney because he's the epitome of a clueless writer or not, but I'm 99% sure that even he knows what VORP is. It's probably the simplest stat to grasp in the statistical toolbox. I doubt ESPN wants him using a Baseball Prospectus-exclusive stat on their network though. But it doesn't really matter whether they took advanced stats into the equation. By nearly every measure of baseball ability beyond home runs and RBIs, Pujols was superior. Howard had a great year, but it was still the 2nd best in the national league. The most frustrating thing is that the writers just arbitrarily choose which things they want to focus on. Howard won today because hit HRs, but Jeter and his 14 homers will win tomorrow because of his intangibles. Can't have it both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randomguy 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Pujols obviously deserved to win. Then again, when Bonds was at his peak a few years ago some people were saying that Pujols was the best hitter in baseball, which was just absurd. People get impressed by a new guy that goes way over expectation. Pujols just did what he does every year. A lot of sabremetric stats are very dumb and don't stand up to rigorous analysis, but that is a different issue. By looking at basic stats Pujols was still clearly better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Kevin Youkilis has won the Most Valuable Jewish Player award. I think statheads and purists alike can appreciate that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Hey, Shawn Green is way more Jewish. Of course I have no idea if that's what the award's actually based on, I'm just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Carlos Lee signed with the Giants for 6 years 80 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Mets officially sign Alou. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=2669856 1 year/$7.5 million with a team option for next year. Not bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Hey, Shawn Green is way more Jewish. Of course I have no idea if that's what the award's actually based on, I'm just saying. He's not a practicing Jew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Brad Ausmus is clearly the MVJ of the NL. Edit: There's been a blockbuster deal between the Mets and the Marlins involving pitchers... Mets trade Henry Owens and Matt Lindstrom to the Fish for Jason Vargas and Adam Bostick. Blockbustah~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randomguy 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Didn't Steve "Psycho" Lyons get in trouble for saying Shawn Green was lame for skipping a game due to some religious stuff? He must practice at least occasionally. (At least that one game, I believe it was Yom Kippur IIRC) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Mike Stanton is going to get a 2 year 16 million dollar contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Felonies! Report post Posted November 20, 2006 He said he's not much of a Jew anyway, since he didn't become bar mitzvah, which was a shame because he would've gotten some money. It looks like Mike Stanton signed with the Reds for 2 years 16 million. Jesus Christ, they are giving 8 million per year. Good job, TheDon. Did you consult a multiplication table for that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted November 20, 2006 He said he's not much of a Jew anyway, since he didn't become bar mitzvah, which was a shame because he would've gotten some money. It looks like Mike Stanton signed with the Reds for 2 years 16 million. Jesus Christ, they are giving 8 million per year. Good job, TheDon. Did you consult a multiplication table for that? Good job, Felonies. Dont you have anything else better to do besides troll? Or is it really your claim to fame? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Mike Stanton is going to get a 2 year 16 million dollar contract. Nope, it's 2 million in 07, and 3 million in 08. But hey, you were only 11 million off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted November 20, 2006 I got the numbers from NYYFans.com. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 I got the numbers from NYYFans.com. CINCINNATI --_ Needing a shortstop and a late-innings reliever, the Cincinnati Reds committed roughly $20 million to fill two of their bigger holes. Later, they spent a little more to get rid of their logjam behind home plate. Stanton Gonzalez One of baseball's most active teams isn't slowing down in the offseason. Shortstop Alex Gonzalez and left-handed reliever Mike Stanton finalized multiyear contracts Monday with the Reds. Cincinnati then traded catcher Jason LaRue to Kansas City for a player to be named, agreeing to pay part of his $5.2 million salary next season. The Reds were one of the more aggressive teams last season under new owner Bob Castellini, making a flurry of trades that transformed their roster. Cincinnati finished in third place in the NL Central with an 80-82 record, its sixth straight losing season. The moves on Monday suggested they're still going full-speed. "Stay tuned," said general manager Wayne Krivsky, who has acquired 40 players since he took over last spring training. The light-hitting Gonzalez, 29, committed only seven errors last season with Boston. Stanton, 39, split the season between Washington and San Francisco, where he had eight saves and proved he can still pitch effectively on short rest. Together, they'll fill a couple of big gaps. Gonzalez is expected to improve a defense that had the second-most errors in the National League last season. He hit .255 with 24 doubles and nine homers for Boston. Gonzalez gets $3.5 million next year, $4,625,000 in 2008 and $5,375,000 in the third year. If he wins the Gold Glove in either of the first two years, the third-year salary increases to $5.5 million. There's a $6 million mutual option for 2010 with a $500,000 buyout. "We'll take the .260 and that Gold Glove-caliber defense and be happy with that," Krivsky said. Felipe Lopez started at shortstop last season, but was undependable on routine plays and was part of an eight-player trade with Washington in July to restock the bullpen. Cincinnati got shortstop Royce Clayton as part of the deal, but he hit .258 and started only nine games in September. The Reds also have been trying to upgrade their bullpen since the middle of last season. Left-handed closer Eddie Guardado, acquired from Seattle in one of those midseason trades, had reconstructive elbow surgery in September and won't be ready to pitch at the start of next season. Stanton gives the Reds a proven option for late in games. He went 3-5 with a 4.47 ERA in 56 games last season for Washington, which traded him to San Francisco on July 28 for a minor league pitcher. Stanton was 4-2 in 26 games for the Giants with eight saves and a 3.09 ERA. "He's shown he can close games, but he hasn't done it over a full year," Krivsky said. "I'm not going to get into projecting roles." Stanton gets salaries of $2 million next year and $3 million in 2008. There's an option for 2009 at $2.5 million, with a buyout of $500,000. If he appears in 140 games over the next two seasons, the option-year salary vests at $2.75 million. Stanton's deal was negotiated by Sam and Seth Levinson, who have represented him for more than two decades. Stanton said in a telephone interview from the Cincinnati airport that about a half-dozen other teams also made offers. Stanton wanted to be closer to the East Coast --_ his family lives in New Jersey -- and wanted to play for a team that could contend. When Krivsky increased his original offer to a two-year deal, Stanton accepted. "Obviously, the second year had a big influence on it," Stanton said. "It's still very early in the free agency period. It just looked like the right deal to me." Although he saved games for the Giants, Stanton said it doesn't matter whether he's in a set-up role or closing games for the Reds, who were in contention until the last week of the season. "What the organization and the team have done and what they're going to do shows they're going in the right direction," Stanton said. "I don't want to spend any time away from my family, more than I have to, especially if you're just playing out the season. I want to win." LaRue was the No. 1 catcher heading into spring training, where he tore cartilage in his knee and had surgery. He moved behind David Ross and Javier Valentin at the spot, and never regained a full-time job. Ross started 73 games last season and hit .255 with 21 homers. LaRue hit only .194 with 57 starts. Valentin started 32 games behind the plate and was the team's top pinch hitter. Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2006 "We'll take the .260 and that Gold Glove-caliber defense and be happy with that," Krivsky said. We'll take the sandwich pick and let you have the .299 OBP and increasing injury concerns, Mr. Krivsky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2006 "We'll take the .260 and that Gold Glove-caliber defense and be happy with that," Krivsky said. Translation: He'll take a black hole in the lineup and third or fourth in the division again. No word on whether he'd be happy with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2006 According to espn.com, Juan Pierre has signed with the LA Dodgers for 5 years/$45 million. Somewhere Bill Plaschke rejoices and Paul Depodesta cries himself to sleep. I wonder how much longer we have until the Ned Colleti backlash starts. His last three deals have all been very questionable (Lugo trade, Nomar, and now Pierre). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2006 The Dodgers continue their quest to have the most leadoff men in baseball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted November 21, 2006 Juan Pierre is getting 9 million per year, hahaha. I can only imagine how much JD Drew is going to get now. I am guessing a deal similiar to that of Carlos Lee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2006 When Juan Pierre gets a deal like that, I can only imagine what Carlos Lee and JD Drew are going to command... I bet Dave Roberts gets some ridiculous amount of money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2006 Carlos Lee signed with the Giants for 6 years 80 million. Do you have some sort of confirmation on this, because I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. Man, if it is true the Red Sox really could have had JD Drew last week for 4/$48M and balked, they are probably kicking themselves in the ass right now. With the insane money thrown at Pierre and Soriano, he could reasonably be in at 5/$65, or even slightly higher. Too much money chasing too little talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2006 It took less than 24 hours for someone to look dumber than the Cubs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Felonies! Report post Posted November 21, 2006 We don't need a salary cap to protect the poor clubs from the rich clubs, we need a salary cap to protect the rich GMs from themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2006 a 30-year-old with a shitty attitude and one, just one, amazing year and go "whoa-oa-oh, the Cubs are playing to win now!", even though it will hardly do much to improve this team. There is no way on Earth that he's ever going to justify this stupid, stupid contract. Lets not get crazy here.... Soriano's averages over the past 5 years: .280 BA (approx) 40.6 doubles 37.4 home runs 96.6 runs batted in .331 OBP (approx) .525 SLG (approx) 165 sbs in 210 attempts (average of 33 a year) for a percentage of .785 5 year averages of 37/33 and 40 doubles. Anyone else in baseball that can lay claim to that? The only guy who comes close is Carlos Beltran at 30/30/33. So to say he had just one amazing year is silly. His numbers last year were almost identical to his 5 year averages save for a higher OBP (which some people think is a statistical outlier, but I think it's just as likely that he's learning to be more patient as he gets older). And for reference on the base stealing that's the exact same percentage as Rafael Furcal over the last 5 years. Juan Pierre is at .745. Dave Roberts steals at a .81% clip. One of the big criticisms of Soriano is that he gets thrown out too much, yet his rate is comparable to that of the annual stolen base leaders. The other big knock on him is that his on base percentage isn't high enough. .331 average over 5 years isn't great, but it isn't terrible. Just ask Mr. Cub Ernie Banks, he of the .330 career OBP. And like I said I think there's a decent chance his OBP settles into the .350 range over the next couple of years. As far as him having a shitty attitude....why? Because he balked over moving to the outfield? One dispute after a trade to a new team and he gets branded for life? Have you ever heard anything else negative about the guy??! And plus he showed great promise in the field last year, leading baseball in outfield assists, and he's happy to play out there for the Cubs. If I'm a Cubs fans I'm thinking it's stupid to go 8 years on the guy (I've still yet to see it confirmed if the last 2 years are options), but don't act like you overpaid for him in this market, or start making up shit about how he's not an impact player. The guy is about as dynamic as it gets, and the same people bitching about this now will be loving him when he's flirting with 40/40 again and gunning guys down at home plate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2006 This offseason is shaping up like MLB 2006 for the PS2. I have the feeling that by midseason alot of GMS might want to reset their console... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Felonies! Report post Posted November 21, 2006 And plus he showed great promise in the field last year, leading baseball in outfield assists, and he's happy to play out there for the Cubs. He better be. They're paying out the ass for this guy. The guy is about as dynamic as it gets, and the same people bitching about this now will be loving him when he's flirting with 40/40 again and gunning guys down at home plate. We'll see about that. And none of that stat-padding as the team wins 70 games, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2006 $9M a year for Juan Pierre and his spaghetti arm? Oh, man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted November 21, 2006 Carlos Lee signed with the Giants for 6 years 80 million. Do you have some sort of confirmation on this, because I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. Man, if it is true the Red Sox really could have had JD Drew last week for 4/$48M and balked, they are probably kicking themselves in the ass right now. With the insane money thrown at Pierre and Soriano, he could reasonably be in at 5/$65, or even slightly higher. Too much money chasing too little talent. I heard it reported on Mike and the Mad Dog because the Mad Dog is a huge Giants fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
