NBA Roundtable Discussion

[Ripper 0]

Washington was not on a 50 win pace. They lost Gil in the middle of a massive losing streak. I think they were in like 6th place when he went down after being in first place for a good amount of the season.

 

Gil missed like the last 4-5 games. They would have went 42-40 or 43-39 tops.

 

Ray Allen was averaging 26 points a game before that ankle surgery too BTW. Pierce had a elbow injury that is now completely healed. They should be fine.

[Precious Roy 0]

Butler missed 6 games in March, came back for 3 games, then missed the last 10. Arenas missed the last 9 games. They were 35-28 when Butler got hurt. 50 wins might be a bit of a stretch, but their April schedule was fairly soft, something like 12-7 or 13-6 is perfectly reasonable, they certainly could have approached it.

[dh86 0]

Pistons dropping from 1 to 5???? The only Pistons I could possibly see regressing this year would be McDyess and Sheed. Washington did little to improve from 41-41. Cleveland's roster didnt change and Boston has far too many question marks to get the hype they get. Mainly Ray Allen's knee surgery and him missing 27 games and Pierce missing 35 games. Celtics are a Ray Allen missing 20 games away from going right back to the lottery. They really have to rely on the 30+ year old guys to be healthy and stay healthy all season long. I would not bet on that.

 

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- Washington was only 41-41 because Arenas and Butler came up with injuries that took them out down the stretch. They were on a pace for 50 wins before that.

 

- Ray Allen had ANKLE surgery, not knee surgery. If you're going to be the anti-Celtics-bandwagon guy at least know what you're talking about.

 

The Pistons would have probably won 60 games if Billups didnt miss 12 games and Hamilton missing 7...Miami maybe would have as well if Wade didnt miss 31 games and Shaq didnt miss 42...thats nitpicking. Washington will be a bottom half eastern conference team as long as they do not play any defense.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Butler missed 6 games in March, came back for 3 games, then missed the last 10. Arenas missed the last 9 games. They were 35-28 when Butler got hurt. 50 wins might be a bit of a stretch, but their April schedule was fairly soft, something like 12-7 or 13-6 is perfectly reasonable, they certainly could have approached it.

 

 

The Wizards started 31-21 and IIRC, had the best record in the Eastern Conference. If they kept up that pace, they would have finished with 49 wins. From that point on, they had only a handful of games where Butler, Arenas and Jamison all played. Every team has to deal with injuries, but the Wizards could be a 50-win team when healthy.

[Boxer 0]

So this Reggie talk won't ge away. If I was a betting man, he's coming back to Boston.

 

I just wonder if the Celtics will end up like the 04 Lakers. 4 Stars and they just came up short.

 

BTW, the Warriors just waived Adonal Foyle. Somewhere, a Warriors fan is happy about this one.

[Ripper 0]

Suns should pick him up.

 

Seriously.

[Matt Young 0]

He was one of the longest tenured players with one NBA team. I still remember him being drafted out of Colgate. That's back when I cared to watch the draft.

[Guest]

Reggie Miller should never wear a different uniform than that of the Pacers. Just like Karl Malone should have never worn the Laker uni.

 

That would be wrong.

[Boxer 0]

Reggie Miller should never wear a different uniform than that of the Pacers. Just like Karl Malone should have never worn the Laker uni.

 

That would be wrong.

 

Got this from another board:

 

 

[LivingLegendGaryColeman 0]

Reggie Miller should never wear a different uniform than that of the Pacers. Just like Karl Malone should have never worn the Laker uni.

 

That would be wrong.

 

Got this from another board:

 

 

 

That's a cool picture, but if Reggie joined the Celts, he'd be changing his number too. 31 is also retired in Boston, that's why Telfair was 30 when he was there. It's still weird to me thinking of Garnett as anything other than 21 or Allen as something other than 34, Reggie would be much stranger than at least Allen.

[Maztinho 0]

Reggie Miller should never wear a different uniform than that of the Pacers. Just like Karl Malone should have never worn the Laker uni.

 

That would be wrong.

 

Or Ewing with the Sonics.

[King Kamala 0]

Reggie Miller should never wear a different uniform than that of the Pacers. Just like Karl Malone should have never worn the Laker uni.

 

That would be wrong.

 

Or Ewing with the Sonics.

 

Or Ewing with The Magic. Or Shawn Kemp with The Cavs. I could go on all day probably.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I think the prime example is Jordan with Wizards.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Also, Scottie Pippen with the Blazers.

 

On the upside to that, though, me and a few friends have crashed over at Scottie Pippen's hottub (he doesn't actually live there, but he owns the property) and turn it into a party spot for special occasions.

[MrRant 0]

Good god the NBA must want the Sonics to move.

[Guest Soriano's Torn Quad]

No, they don't. Seattle is too large and established of a market to drop. True, there's Portland, but that's like saying the NBA doesn't need Chicago because the Bucks are just up the road. As enticing as Oklahoma City appears, it's really only enticing vis-a-vis New Orleans, which is still in poor condition (I blame this on the Saints' inability to beat the Chicago Bears), but not vis-a-vis Seattle, which is a much stronger television and radio market.

[MrRant 0]

You'd be suprised since I have yet to see Stern say anything regarding one of the owners of the Sonics flat out say that the goal of the group is to move them.

[Guest Vitamin X]

No, they don't. Seattle is too large and established of a market to drop. True, there's Portland, but that's like saying the NBA doesn't need Chicago because the Bucks are just up the road. As enticing as Oklahoma City appears, it's really only enticing vis-a-vis New Orleans, which is still in poor condition (I blame this on the Saints' inability to beat the Chicago Bears), but not vis-a-vis Seattle, which is a much stronger television and radio market.

 

Not to mention that their fans are extremely supportive of their hometown teams, regardless of their lack of excitement or success. The funny thing about the pre-Holmgren Seahawks or post-Ken Griffey Mariners (aside from a couple good season with Ichiro) is that they were never really BAD enough to warrant attention, but never good enough, either. The Sonics were one of those teams that deserved it, and they're going to move them? Yikes.

 

And I don't think Seattle and Portland are close enough to share teams. I could deal with the NFL not moving any teams to this area, but Portland could really use an MLB franchise of its own.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

And I don't think Seattle and Portland are close enough to share teams. I could deal with the NFL not moving any teams to this area, but Portland could really use an MLB franchise of its own.

 

The problem with a baseball team in Portland is that radio/tv rights in the area already belong to the Mariners and there is no population base to the east, west or south to draw from for attendance. Believe me, I would absolutely love to have a team in Portland and I think the town would support them, but the numbers don't really pencil out to have a viable franchise here long-term. This all applies to the NFL as well.

[MrRant 0]

Indeed. Portland is in a bad spot with Seattle already having a team. They could draw the Southern part of WA (Vancouver, Kelso, etc) since it's already Blazer territory more or less but I doubt the M's would give up that right since they would also have to split part of Idaho.

[Guest Vitamin X]

No population base to the south? What about Eugene and Salem? I could see your point, though. Didn't know that about the television/radio rights, although I figure there should be a way around that..

[MrRant 0]

He is talking past that. All there is is NorCal and besides TV, you'd never get them to make that drive.

 

San Francisco or Oakland probably has the rights there already anyways.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

No population base to the south? What about Eugene and Salem? I could see your point, though. Didn't know that about the television/radio rights, although I figure there should be a way around that..

 

 

Eugene and Salem offer about 300,000 people, but that's not really significant when you realize that there is no population base on the coast and nothing really to the east until you get to Bend. It's just a geographical problem that is compounded by the fact that Seattle controls the entire PacNW fan base.

 

There was an article abour a year ago on Baseball Prospectus that broke down about 20 cities and how viable they are for major league franchises. Portland scored highly in some area (local wealth, stadium chances, etc.) but bad in potential revenue streams (television and attendance) for the reasons I already outlined. Any success that Portland would have financially would come at the expense of Seattle. It's not tapping a new fan base, it's weakening the existing one by bifurcating it into two sects (Portland and Seattle).

 

I kind of lost faith after that and I've been a long-time supporter for the cause.

[Boxer 0]

For me at least, this was a weird site to behold:

 

 

All that time in Houston and then THIS?

 

At least Ewing bounced from Seattle to Orlando, so it didn't mean as much. But Hakeem spent his whole career in Houston, college and pro, and then Toronto?

[Steviekick 0]

Didn't Houston trade Hakeem to Toronto?

[King Kamala 0]

Didn't Houston trade Hakeem to Toronto?

 

Yep traded for 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2002 Draft.

[Boxer 0]

Didn't Houston trade Hakeem to Toronto?

 

Yes, sign and trade for a future first round draft pick. You can thank GM Vince Carter for that one.

 

Here is the GM in action:

 

 

It was so weird to see him wear purple:

 

 

 

Pretty much the only moments in Hakeem's short career in Toronto. I wonder though what Hakeem and Keon Clark are talking about in that pic.

[Boxer 0]

Which NBA player are you?

 

http://www.mawsum.com/tests/?t=NBA

 

I got:

 

[Guest Smues]

Isn't the NBA pissy about the stadium lease the Sonics have and wants to move them unless the city gives them a new deal?

 

Edit: oh and

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

That NBA player quiz is too easy to manipulate to get who you want. Some answers are quite transparent.