BUTT 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2007 I'll say it, I don't like Joy Division. It's all so glum and boring. I know they are highly regarded in THE SCENE because they are INFLUENTIAL, but I don't currrrrrrrr 'bout that. I do like "Dead Souls" though. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" is good, but it's talked about like it's some sort of pop classic, and I'm just not hearing it. Oh man, New Order. "True Faith"! "Bizarre Love Triangle"! "Regret"! "1963"! These are some fucking great songs. That's all I have to say. At their best, this band was absolutely brilliant. And not boring and depressing! Too bad they suck now. But lots of bands suck now. Those bands that suck didn't write "Regret"! Every time I bring this up to my scenester friends they're all like "WHAT BLAH BLAH JOY DIVISION IS MORE INFLUENTIAL INFLUENCE INFLUENCE IAN CURTIS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA". And now Sensei John Kreese is bringing this unpopular opinion to TheSmartMarks. I want to know if any of you agree with me because I've never encountered anyone in real life who does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2007 joy division is sooooo boring. cold & boring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giuseppe Zangara 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2007 JD's Substance is overrated, but Unknown Pleasures and Closer are good albums. New Order have some fine songs, but a lot of their stuff has aged poorly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gary Floyd 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2007 Unknown Pleasures and Closure are considered classics, and deservidly so. Technique, Low Life, and Power, Corruption & Lies are great, but pale in comparison to Joy Divisions best work. Plus, Get Ready and Waiting for the Sirens Call are terrible albums, especially the former. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2007 I don't really care for either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2007 i think this discussion is completely based on whether to you like to shake your ass to music or form a deeply emotional relationship with music. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Flamboyance 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 Joy Division is alright. Definitely incredibly overrated though. Some Joy Division stuff is just really hard to listen to and a lot of hipsters just pretend to like them because it's the cool thing to do when you're a hipster. New Order is one of my favorite bands of all time. I can listen to them any day. Theyre just a fun band. I agree that Waiting For The Sirens Call is horrible but whatever, their old stuff is great, especially Technique. Also, disc 1 of Substance and their best of album from the nineties are the best "best of" cds ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giuseppe Zangara 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 Joy Division is alright. Definitely incredibly overrated though. Some Joy Division stuff is just really hard to listen to and a lot of hipsters just pretend to like them because it's the cool thing to do when you're a hipster. Awful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Spencer 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 I wonder how many more people will use the word "hipster" in a completely irrelevant way in this thread. Outside of Ceremony and Age Of Consent, which I like more than most Joy Division songs, I'll take the former band in a walk. i think this discussion is completely based on whether to you like to shake your ass to music or form a deeply emotional relationship with music. I find Joy Division to be plenty danceable, but then again, I also like to dance to The Slits, so what do I know, eh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 i think i could fall alseep standing before i could dance to joy division. not that i am a big dancer, but still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Spencer 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 The key is to imitate Ian Curtis. If you use the proper amounts of arm flailing, you can cause property damage and personal injury, which is a plus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 i actually understand what you're saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 I like Joy Division, but I love New Order. In addition to the ones Kreese cited: "Temptation," "Love Vigilantes," "The Perfect Kiss," "Ceremony," oh yeah. They're one of my favorite singles bands ever. It's also totally fascinating to cruise Youtube and find videos of them in various eras. 1984: 1993: "Regret" 2002: "Temptation" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Flamboyance 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 I wonder how many more people will use the word "hipster" in a completely irrelevant way in this thread. Outside of Ceremony and Age Of Consent, which I like more than most Joy Division songs, I'll take the former band in a walk. i think this discussion is completely based on whether to you like to shake your ass to music or form a deeply emotional relationship with music. I find Joy Division to be plenty danceable, but then again, I also like to dance to The Slits, so what do I know, eh. How is it irrelevant? Many hipsters idolize Joy Division and sometimes, for the wrong reasons. Not every JD fan is a hipster but a lot of the new wave JD fans are hipsters. And it's not like being a hipster is a bad thing. There. I used the word 4 more times. I don't see the big deal in using it. Hipster. Oh, dang, I used it again. Also, for New Order fans, check out the DVD with one New Order concert from 1981 and another concert from 1999? It is a must have for New Order fans. The 1981 set isnt perfect but it's great to see them starting out after Ian's death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giuseppe Zangara 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 You really have your finger on the pulse of the music scene, don't you. What blogs do you read? Isn't pitchforkmedia the lamest??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Flamboyance 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 Pot Kettle Black, dude. You just think I'm hipster and indie bashing. I suggest you read carefully. Pitchfork is actually a cool site. I like Allmusic too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 i agreee with inc that new orders albums are kinda shitty. but man, love vigilantes friggin rules anything joy division ever done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giuseppe Zangara 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 Pot Kettle Black, dude. You just think I'm hipster and indie bashing. I suggest you read carefully. When the bulk of your criticism of a band is based on the kind of people you perceive to listen to it, you betray your own inability to talk about music on its own terms. You're a moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 Joy Division by far for me, primarily for the gloomier music and preference of Ian's vocals to Bernard's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 I like New Order Ok, but haven't really seen enough Joy Division to judge. HOwever, that's not a very neutral way to ask a question... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 I think the way I framed the question may have influenced the poll results. Which is really the way a good poll is conducted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank Kingsley 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 I have received Joy Division's Substance as a gift and New Order's Substance as a gift. JD has had a grand total of 1.5 listens, NO has too many to count. JD is indeed sleep inducing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffin Surfer 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 Joy Division. I prefer the darker edge but I also find their music to be generally much more hypnotic and gripping. A song like "New Dawn Fades" is such a powerful piece of music; the guitar is as menacing as anything in metal while the conviction in Ian's distinctive vocals is simply untouchable. I hope the poll starter's comment was a joke; if not, what a goofy narrow minded assumption. It is possible that both bands have individual merits that people value differently....I love "True Faith" but I can understand a fan of Joy Division's darker moments being turned off by it or vise versa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 Could this be the greatest New Order clip ever? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aOoLXEwYeI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 Coffin Surfer, yes, it's a joke! It's just I'm so tired of my "I'm a scenester so I know everything about music" friends who REFUSE to accept that there could be a possibility that New Order is better because Joy Division supposedly influenced Interpol or something like that. Si82, YES. YES YES YES. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 I like both a lot, honestly, but I think I'd have to give the slight edge to New Order. Joy Division's gloom can get grating after a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2007 Joy Division is alright. Definitely incredibly overrated though. Some Joy Division stuff is just really hard to listen to and a lot of hipsters just pretend to like them because it's the cool thing to do when you're a hipster. Awful. I'm glad I came back to this thread for this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2007 I don't know many people who listen to bands just because they're influential. Sure, it's important to acknowkledge influential bands, if you want to know your music history, and gain an apprecieation for the people who influenced your favorite bands. But it's all about listenability. I don't like Velvet Underground because they were influential, I like them because they kicked ass. Oh, and I still don't like Intrepol very much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLAGIARISM! 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2007 Joy Division wins, but I'll say this for New Order, they were simply brilliant live, and that's coming from someone who dsoesn't really care for them on record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2007 New Order, easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
