MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Saw this posted at OH and Im intrigued.. OVER/UNDER MLB WIN TOTALS FOR 2007! Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 Atlanta Braves 81.5 Baltimore Orioles 73.5 Boston Red Sox 90.5 Chicago Cubs 85.5 Chicago White Sox 86.5 Cincinnati Reds 76.5 Cleveland Indians 84.5 Colorado Rockies 74.5 Detroit Tigers 87.5 Florida Marlins 78.5 Houston Astros 78.5 Kansas City Royals 67.5 Los Angeles Angels 89.5 Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 Minnesota Twins 83.5 New York Mets 88.0 New York Yankees 97.0 Oakland Athletics 84.5 Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 San Diego Padres 84.0 San Francisco Giants 81.5 Seattle Mariners 75.5 St Louis Cardinals 84.5 Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 Texas Rangers 81.5 Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 Washington Nationals 66.5 A few are interesting.. edit (bolds are over, italicized are under..) I was just going to say that the Orioles have to win more than 73 games..and Id consider betting on that..hmm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 OVER/UNDER MLB WIN TOTALS FOR 2007! Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 OVER Atlanta Braves 81.5 OVER Baltimore Orioles 73.5 OVER Boston Red Sox 90.5 OVER Chicago Cubs 85.5 UNDER Chicago White Sox 86.5 UNDER Cincinnati Reds 76.5 UNDER Cleveland Indians 84.5 OVER Colorado Rockies 74.5 OVER Detroit Tigers 87.5 UNDER Florida Marlins 78.5 UNDER Houston Astros 78.5 UNDER Kansas City Royals 67.5 OVER Los Angeles Angels 89.5 OVER Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 UNDER Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 OVER Minnesota Twins 83.5 OVER New York Mets 88.0 UNDER New York Yankees 97.0 UNDER Oakland Athletics 84.5 OVER Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 OVER Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 OVER San Diego Padres 84.0 OVER San Francisco Giants 81.5 UNDER Seattle Mariners 75.5 OVER St Louis Cardinals 84.5 UNDER Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 OVER Texas Rangers 81.5 UNDER Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 OVER Washington Nationals 66.5 UNDER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 OVER Atlanta Braves 81.5 OVER Baltimore Orioles 73.5 UNDER Boston Red Sox 90.5 UNDER Chicago Cubs 85.5 UNDER Chicago White Sox 86.5 Barely UNDER Cincinnati Reds 76.5 UNDER Cleveland Indians 84.5 OVER Colorado Rockies 74.5 UNDER Detroit Tigers 87.5 OVER Florida Marlins 78.5 UNDER Houston Astros 78.5 UNDER Kansas City Royals 67.5 OVER Los Angeles Angels 89.5 UNDER Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 OVER Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 OVER Minnesota Twins 83.5 UNDER New York Mets 88.0 UNDER New York Yankees 97.0 UNDER Oakland Athletics 84.5 OVER Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 UNDER Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 UNDER San Diego Padres 84.0 UNDER San Francisco Giants 81.5 OVER Seattle Mariners 75.5 OVER St Louis Cardinals 84.5 UNDER Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 OVER Texas Rangers 81.5 OVER Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 UNDER Washington Nationals 66.5 OVER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 You have 4 of the 5 teams in the NL Central as under, considering how often they play each other this is virtually impossible, unless you plan on the Brewers winning 110 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 19, 2007 There's 6 teams in the NL Central, and I think 3 of them will finish with around 82 wins. My Astros pick may be a little off, and they could win 80 games, but I'll stick with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 OVER Atlanta Braves 81.5 OVER Baltimore Orioles 73.5 UNDER Boston Red Sox 90.5 UNDER Chicago Cubs 85.5 UNDER Chicago White Sox 86.5 OVER Cincinnati Reds 76.5 UNDER Cleveland Indians 84.5 OVER Colorado Rockies 74.5 OVER Detroit Tigers 87.5 OVER Florida Marlins 78.5 UNDER Houston Astros 78.5 WAAAAAAAAAY OVER Kansas City Royals 67.5 67 wins seems about right. Los Angeles Angels 89.5 UNDER Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 OVER Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 OVER Minnesota Twins 83.5 OVER New York Mets 88.0 UNDER New York Yankees 97.0 UNDER Oakland Athletics 84.5 OVER Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 UNDER Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 UNDER San Diego Padres 84.0 OVER San Francisco Giants 81.5 UNDER Seattle Mariners 75.5 OVER St Louis Cardinals 84.5 UNDER Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 OVER Texas Rangers 81.5 OVER Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 UNDER Washington Nationals 66.5 UNDER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Queen Leelee Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Cubs at 85.5? Shit, I'll put some good money on the under there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 OVER Atlanta Braves 81.5 OVER Baltimore Orioles 73.5 UNDER Boston Red Sox 90.5 UNDER Chicago Cubs 85.5 OVER Chicago White Sox 86.5 UNDER Cincinnati Reds 76.5 OVER Cleveland Indians 84.5 OVER Colorado Rockies 74.5 OVER Detroit Tigers 87.5 UNDER Florida Marlins 78.5 UNDER Houston Astros 78.5 OVER Kansas City Royals 67.5 OVER Los Angeles Angels 89.5 UNDER Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 OVER Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 OVER Minnesota Twins 83.5 OVER New York Mets 88.0 OVER New York Yankees 97.0 UNDER Oakland Athletics 84.5 OVER Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 UNDER Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 UNDER San Diego Padres 84.0 UNDER San Francisco Giants 81.5 OVER Seattle Mariners 75.5 UNDER St Louis Cardinals 84.5 OVER Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 OVER Texas Rangers 81.5 OVER Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 OVER Washington Nationals 66.5 UNDER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Happy Medium 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 OVER Atlanta Braves 81.5 UNDER Baltimore Orioles 73.5 UNDER Boston Red Sox 90.5 OVER Chicago Cubs 85.5 UNDER Chicago White Sox 86.5 UNDER Cincinnati Reds 76.5 UNDER Cleveland Indians 84.5 OVER Colorado Rockies 74.5 OVER Detroit Tigers 87.5 OVER Florida Marlins 78.5 UNDER Houston Astros 78.5 OVER Kansas City Royals 67.5 UNDER Los Angeles Angels 89.5 OVER Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 OVER Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 UNDER Minnesota Twins 83.5 OVER New York Mets 88.0 UNDER New York Yankees 97.0 UNDER Oakland Athletics 84.5 OVER Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 UNDER Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 OVER San Diego Padres 84.0 UNDER San Francisco Giants 81.5 UNDER Seattle Mariners 75.5 OVER St Louis Cardinals 84.5 OVER Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 OVER Texas Rangers 81.5 OVER Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 UNDER Washington Nationals 66.5 UNDER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Hey viva, I know you're the requisite Astros homer, but how far over 78.5 wins do you realtistically think Houston can go? The pitching will probably be much worse this year, especially if Clemens rides off to greener pastures. The hitting will be marginally better with Carlos Lee in the lineup, but that outfield defense will be wretched. I think the best case scenario is flirting with .500 most of the year and trying not to finish fourth (which is probably where they stack up on a pure talent basis). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broward83 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 Under Atlanta Braves 81.5 Under Baltimore Orioles 73.5 Under Boston Red Sox 90.5 Over Chicago Cubs 85.5 Under Chicago White Sox 86.5 Over Cincinnati Reds 76.5 Over Cleveland Indians 84.5 Under Colorado Rockies 74.5 Under Detroit Tigers 87.5 Over Florida Marlins 78.5 Over Houston Astros 78.5 Over (probably finish at around the 88-90 mark) Kansas City Royals 67.5 Under Los Angeles Angels 89.5 Over Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 Over Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 Under Minnesota Twins 83.5 Over New York Mets 88.0 Over New York Yankees 97.0 Under Oakland Athletics 84.5 Over Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 Over (by only a few.. maybe finish at about 93) Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 Under San Diego Padres 84.0 Over San Francisco Giants 81.5 Under Seattle Mariners 75.5 Over (bound to bounce back.. maybe get to over .500 by a game or three) St Louis Cardinals 84.5 Under Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 ...can I push this one? Eh.. under. Texas Rangers 81.5 Under Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 Over Washington Nationals 66.5 Over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humanoid92 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 UNDER Atlanta Braves 81.5 OVER Baltimore Orioles 73.5 UNDER Boston Red Sox 90.5 OVER Chicago Cubs 85.5 UNDER Chicago White Sox 86.5 OVER Cincinnati Reds 76.5 OVER Cleveland Indians 84.5 OVER Colorado Rockies 74.5 OVER Detroit Tigers 87.5 UNDER Florida Marlins 78.5 UNDER Houston Astros 78.5 OVER Kansas City Royals 67.5 OVER Los Angeles Angels 89.5 OVER Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 OVER Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 OVER Minnesota Twins 83.5 OVER New York Mets 88.0 OVER New York Yankees 97.0 UNDER Oakland Athletics 84.5 OVER Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 UNDER Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 UNDER San Diego Padres 84.0 OVER San Francisco Giants 81.5 UNDER Seattle Mariners 75.5 UNDER St Louis Cardinals 84.5 OVER Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 UNDER Texas Rangers 81.5 UNDER Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 OVER Washington Nationals 66.5 UNDER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Even though I'm the resident Astros' homer, I'm picking them to finish no less than third in the division w/o Clemens, more likely second w/o Clemens, and to win the division in a cakewalk w/ Clemens. I don't see how the pitching will be much worse this year. Roy O is still Roy O. Jennings had better numbers last season than Pettitte and there's good reason to think that he'll be better than Pettitte this season (entering his contract season, pitching in his home state, pitching for a competitive team for the first time, approaching the thousand inning mark, etc.). Woody Williams isn't going to put up "blow-away" numbers, but he's always been solid and has shown that he can pitch effectively at Minute Maid Park (He's #1 in wins for an opposing pitcher at MMP with 9. And his career ERA there is just a little north of 3). Among the candidates for the 4th and 5th rotation spots are Fernando Nieve, who put up very solid numbers last season in both starting and relieving, Chris Sampson, who put up excellent numbers last season, albeit in 39 innings...still, projected out over a full season, those numbers translate very well, Matt Albers, who's kinda a wildcard-he has excellent stuff, but only pitched 15 innings; still as a #5, he'd be nothing less than league average, and...Wandy Rodriguez (God help us all). As far as the 'pen, whomever doesn't get the 4 and 5 spots is going in the pen. In addition to them are Dave Borkowski, who did a nice job as the longman, Trever Miller, who was shitty for a couple months, but came back to be nothing less than spectacular, posting a 3.02 ERA and a 56/13 K/BB rate in 50 innings, probably the rule 5 pick from the Cubs', Lincoln Holdzkom, who has stellar Minor League numbers and, by all accounts, excellent stuff, and the trio of Qualls (who has never been anything less than extremely solid), Dan Wheeler (who has, over the course of the last two and half seasons, been one of the top 5 setup men in the league) and Brad Lidge, who HAS to be better this season, as anything other than improvement would make him Troy Percival. So, I don't see how the pitching will be THAT much worse w/o Clemens, if worse at all. I think calling the offense marginally better is an understantment. Putting Carlos Lee in the #4 spot instantly makes the lineup 1-5 instantly better. Chris Burke will offensively outshine Willy Taveras tenfold, Biggio will get off to his usual hot start, get his 3000 hit sometime around the ASB and, hopefully, take a bench position. Lance Berkman's an All-Star and MVP candidate. Carlos Lee is an All-Star and slight MVP candidate and, as a right-handed pull hitter with power, should go absolutely bananas with the short porch in left. The bottom of the lineup with Everett, Ausmus, and the pitcher remain unchanged and should be, as per usual, not very good offensively. The two question marks that will determine whether the Astros' offense will just be above average or very, very good are Luke Scott and Morgan Ensberg. If Luke Scott hits like he did after his call-up last season, .336/.426/.621 in 214 ABs and Ensberg contributes more than a Barry Bonds-esque OBP (somewhere around 30 HRs and 85-90 RBI would work), the offense will be in the top five in the league easily. Also, the Astros have a very, very strong bench. The usual core of Mike Lamb and Orlando Palmiero have been among the best PHs in baseball the last two seasons and with the addition of Mark Loretta (who will hopefully take over at 2B after Biggio gets 3000) and probably Richard Hidalgo (who if he hits even anywhere as near as well as he did in the late 90s/early 2000s will be a vast improvement over Jason Lane and his .199 average last season. Even if Hidalgo hits like he did with the Rangers, he'll be an improvement.), the Astros bench has to be one of the top benches in baseball. Certainly, the Astros have question marks entering the season, but every team in the NL Central have as many, if not more, question marks. Will Rich Hill perform well? Will Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis give up more HRs at Wrigley than Soriano and Derrek Lee will hit? Will Isringhausen's hip fall out on the mound? Who's in the rotation for the Cards? Are Jim Edmonds and Scott Rolen going to get hurt...again? Will Ben Sheets get healthy? Will Rickie Weeks stay healthy? Will the Brewers' rookies be able to live up to the hype? Are Dave Weathers and Mike Stanton really going to close for the Reds? Who's going to pitch in spots 3-5 for Cincy? Will the Pirates go with an all left-handed starting rotation? Will they lose 100 games or just 95 games? The NLC's the weakest division in baseball, hands down. It's easy to look at some of the signings of the Cubs and pick them to win the division, but I just don't see that happening. The Cardinals haven't gotten better since last season; they've gotten worse. The Brewers have potential, but that's all they have until they prove something. The Reds have too many holes to be competitive and the Pirates are atrocious. The last three seasons, the Astros have been picked to finish 4th in the division or to completely fall apart or to bomb terribly or whatever else, but they haven't, and I certainly don't see that happening this season. As far as bold predictions.... Without Clemens: 84-78 at the worst With Clemens: 92-70 at the worst It's been far too long since I've posted at this magnitude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 20, 2007 I'm sorry, but the Astros really suck. Like, the only reason they have a chance to win their division is because it's the worst in the majors. I don't even hate them, I would rather see them in the playoffs from any other team in the Central, but they suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Well, I certainly don't agree with that...and I'm not sure why they suck. I mean, the Nationals suck. The Pirates suck. The Royals suck. Certainly the Astros aren't equivalent to any of those teams, huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 OVER Atlanta Braves 81.5 UNDER Baltimore Orioles 73.5 UNDER Boston Red Sox 90.5 UNDER Chicago Cubs 85.5 UNDER Chicago White Sox 86.5 OVER Cincinnati Reds 76.5 UNDER Cleveland Indians 84.5 OVER Colorado Rockies 74.5 OVER Detroit Tigers 87.5 OVER Florida Marlins 78.5 UNDER Houston Astros 78.5 OVER Kansas City Royals 67.5 UNDER Los Angeles Angels 89.5 UNDER Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 UNDER Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 UNDER Minnesota Twins 83.5 OVER New York Mets 88.0 OVER New York Yankees 97.0 UNDER Oakland Athletics 84.5 OVER Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 OVER Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 UNDER San Diego Padres 84.0 UNDER San Francisco Giants 81.5 UNDER Seattle Mariners 75.5 OVER St Louis Cardinals 84.5 OVER Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 OVER Texas Rangers 81.5 UNDER Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 OVER Washington Nationals 66.5 UNDER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Well, I certainly don't agree with that...and I'm not sure why they suck. I mean, the Nationals suck. The Pirates suck. The Royals suck. Certainly the Astros aren't equivalent to any of those teams, huh? The Astros don't suck and they play in a winnable division. However, they struggled to win 82 games last year (didn't they win like 8 out of 9 to close the year?). The starting pitching will be taking a step back. Jennings will probably give them more than Pettitte did last year, but they'll miss Clemens if he doesn't return. Carlos Lee adds some punch to that lineup, but I don't know how many runs that outfield defense will give back. It could get ugly out there. Overall, there isn't much to suggest that they'll be better than last year, and last year they had a .500 ballclub at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Where can I bet on this? I'd put some money down on the Mets winning 89 or more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Where can I bet on this? I'd put some money down on the Mets winning 89 or more. You sure about that? You do realize that Tom Glavine can only pitch every five days right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 In regards to the Astros' pitching taking a big step back, at the start of the 06 season, the staff consisted of Roy Oswalt, Andy Pettitte, Wandy Rodriguez, Taylor Buchholz, and Brandon Backe. Oswalt was Oswalt, Pettitte was ass up until the ASB. Wandy went 4-0 with a 2.3 ERA to start the season. Buchholz was hot and cold. Backe made 2 or 3 starts and went on the DL. Roger Clemens wasn't in the rotation until June 22nd. Basically, to start the 07 season, there's only been a trade-off of Pettitte for Jennings (I believe Jennings will outperform Pettitte.), Backe for Woody Williams (Woody's a better pitcher than Backe.), and Buchholz for either Albers, Sampson, or Nieve (Either one of those options will probably be better than Buchholz was last season.). Wandy Rodriguez has the potential to be shitty or revert back to his excellent April and May of last season. Based on the rotations heading into the season, I really don't see how this staff is a big step back from the rotation that began the 06 season. Sure, Jennings would be better as a #3 than a #2 and Woody would be better as a #4 than a #3, but still... The Cardinals' rotation or the Cubs' rotation isn't on paper anything superior to Houston. If the pitching regressed this offseason, I think the increase in offense made up for it. As far as the OF defense, it's not gonna be pretty, but it'll be serviceable enough. Carlos Lee won't be a gazelle in left or anything, but he won't be terrible. He made 6 errors each of the last two seasons and, remember, in 2004 he made no errors in 148 games with 11 assists. As far as his mobility, he's stolen 96 bases in 8 seasons, including 19 of 21 last season. Luke Scott should be a left fielder, but he'll be ok in right, I think. He gets decent jumps and hopefully won't embarrass himself. Chris Burke's looked really good the several games he's played in center. He has less speed than Willy Taveras for sure, but his range and the jumps that he get will make up for that somewhat, and, even though he doesn't have a cannon, I think his arm's good enough. I don't think it's going to be anything you'd want to put on a "How to Play Outfield" instructional video, but I don't think it'll be the 2000 A's as a certain foxsports.com writer would suggest. And never discount the clutchness of the 'Stros. 35-10 down the stretch in 2004. 15 games under to the NL pennant in 2005. 7 1/2 games back to 1 game back the last two weeks of the season in 2006. Who knows what'll happen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 To me the NL Central is wide open, except for the pirates. Any team that suffers an injury to one of their big starters is pretty much done. Astros: Oswalt or Jennings Cubs: Zambrano or Prior Cardinals: Carpenter or Wainwright Brewers: Sheets or Capuano Reds: Harang or Bronson If any one of those people go down for an extended period the team will probably be very bad. No one has any depth, which makes it too hard to call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Oedipus Rex Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Signed Garciaparra in 2005, signed Lee in 2006, so clearly 2007 is the year that the mighty Carlos Zambrano's right arm falls off and flies into the grandstand, knocking us out of contention before April's end. I think I have the Cubs winning 77 this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Arizona Diamondbacks 77.5 OVER Atlanta Braves 81.5 UNDER Baltimore Orioles 73.5 UNDER Boston Red Sox 90.5 UNDER Chicago Cubs 85.5 UNDER Chicago White Sox 86.5 UNDER Cincinnati Reds 76.5 UNDER Cleveland Indians 84.5 OVER Colorado Rockies 74.5 OVER Detroit Tigers 87.5 OVER Florida Marlins 78.5 OVER Houston Astros 78.5 UNDER Kansas City Royals 67.5 OVER Los Angeles Angels 89.5 UNDER Los Angeles Dodgers 88.5 UNDER Milwaukee Brewers 81.5 OVER Minnesota Twins 83.5 OVER New York Mets 88.0 UNDER New York Yankees 97.0 UNDER Oakland Athletics 84.5 OVER Philadelphia Phillies 88.5 OVER Pittsburgh Pirates 71.5 UNDER San Diego Padres 84.0 OVER San Francisco Giants 81.5 UNDER Seattle Mariners 75.5 OVER St Louis Cardinals 84.5 UNDER Tampa Bay Devil Rays 67.0 OVER Texas Rangers 81.5 OVER Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 OVER Washington Nationals 66.5 UNDER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
