Shooting at Virginia Tech Campus

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Ripper, Texas Ranger.

[Ripper 0]

I with supes. Start a "the pit sucks" thread. A bunch of young people were gunned down for no reason. I can think of a million things to talk about in this thread than the Pit or this board.

[EricMM 0]

Again, he probably didn't reload in anyone's presence. And I'm sure that whenever he left people were just praying that he was leaving for good. Apparently (from an eyewitness you may have heard on CNN) he came into a room like twice, just looking around "shadily", came in a third time just in the doorway and started capping people, and then left. He returned again and did the same thing. After he left the second time, those who still could got up and shut the door and tried to lock it, which it wouldn't do, so they tried to barricade the door with their bodies, which worked until he started shooting through the door...

[Guest Eagle Man]

Who here's seen Elephant? I was watching it in class on Wednesday and Monday. Some timing.

[Ripper 0]

Again, he probably didn't reload in anyone's presence. And I'm sure that whenever he left people were just praying that he was leaving for good. Apparently (from an eyewitness you may have heard on CNN) he came into a room like twice, just looking around "shadily", came in a third time just in the doorway and started capping people, and then left. He returned again and did the same thing. After he left the second time, those who still could got up and shut the door and tried to lock it, which it wouldn't do, so they tried to barricade the door with their bodies, which worked until he started shooting through the door...

 

Well, okay. At least they made an attempt.

 

And this sounds like a fake dead situation. Going all United 93 is a last ditch effort but one that isn't taken alot of times when it should.

[Jason223_ThePit 0]

Your name is Jason223_ThePit. Come on!

 

And most of my posts are voting in polls, your point?

[Black Lushus 0]

Who here's seen Elephant? I was watching it in class on Wednesday and Monday. Some timing.

 

I hate that Gus Van Sant jizz job of a movie...yes, I hate it because of the nonstop walking.

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If any of the victims end up being Muslim (dont worry, the media will let us all know, repeatedly) does the death toll go down, Pit?

 

Drudge has a picture up of a guy crying. The internet has to work extra hard to compare to the pathetic urchins in the newspapers/television.

[EricMM 0]

I entirely agree that if the entire classroom had rushed him as soon as he raised his gun likely almost no one would have been killed.

 

But humans are not ants or bees, we don't have that hive mindset. We worry about ourselves over almost everyone else...

[Jason223_ThePit 0]

And those of you intelligent bastards, check and see how many posts at The Pit I've blasted TSM.

 

Number is probably right around zero.

[Black Lushus 0]

If any of the victims end up being Muslim (dont worry, the media will let us all know, repeatedly) does the death toll go down, Pit?

 

don't lump us all in with LIM...that guy comes up with the dooziest of the doozies.

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Ripper, life isn't a shoot-em-up action-adventure movie. It doesn't work the same as when Chuck Norris can spinkick a ninja or Jack Bauer can left-hook a rocket launcher off an Arab's shoulder at a director's request. Sorry, dude.

[EricMM 0]

Doozier than I?

 

[Guest Eagle Man]

Who here's seen Elephant? I was watching it in class on Wednesday and Monday. Some timing.

 

I hate that Gus Van Sant jizz job of a movie...yes, I hate it because of the nonstop walking.

ngl (that's "not gonna lie," I feel I have enough social capital here to do that) but whenever someone was walking down the hall I thought of Monday Night Raw, the Russo years, when everyone was WALKING all the time and nothing else.

 

I entirely agree that if the entire classroom had rushed him as soon as he raised his gun likely almost no one would have been killed.

I'm not entirely sure. He could've gotten off a few shots, don't you think?

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If any of the victims end up being Muslim (dont worry, the media will let us all know, repeatedly) does the death toll go down, Pit?

 

don't lump us all in with LIM...that guy comes up with the dooziest of the doozies.

 

Oh, that's true. I doubt the boardum section was caling for turbans-on-a-stick over this. But I also doubt LiM was the only one thinking that.

[EricMM 0]

Of course. But humans can close distance pretty quick when they want to, he probably would have dropped someone, maybe two people. Then the rest of them would have killed him.

 

Definitely not thirty-something.

[Black Lushus 0]

Eric: yes, you have some doozies, but you're no LIM, that's for sure

 

Czech: I dunno man, I felt totally underwhelmed watching that movie. Maybe it was the ending or lack of. I really hate those movies that "leave you guessing". I also question the actions of some of the students during the shooting. Black kid: hmmm this guy has a gun, let me go up to him and see what's up BAM!

 

snuff: I, like others, instantly thought emo white kid. Islamic terrorists usually just blow shit up.

[Guest Eagle Man]

That black kid was a fucking dumbshit. I think it was supposed to illustrate the perceived invincibility of high school athletes, but it came off as just plain dumb. Yeah, the ending was lame, and what kind of ridiculously nice high school has a walk-in freezer with giant sides of beef hanging from the ceiling? Mine never did! Trust me, if it did, we would've filmed a Rocky re-enactment.

 

I figured E-W-K as well, but not as instantly, because the interpersonal dynamics of college life aren't as conducive to violent nervous breakdowns, plus the fuckups who would tend to do that would likely be weeded out early or not elect to attend a giant state school.

[Black Lushus 0]

true, I suppose in college you can, as an EWK, enjoy enough anonymity to not have to worry about constant harrassment, as opposed to high school.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Oh, I forgot there haven't been any non-Arab Muslim shooters in US history. Oh wait, yes there have:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammed

 

Plenty of Muslims in Southeast Asia. Doesn't mean this killer was one, but it's not as out of the realm of possiblity as some of you would claim.

 

Anyway, from what I understand this guy was a legal alien resident here in the US. I suspect we'll see the ability for aliens to purchase firearms in US to be revoked sooner than later.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

On CNN now:

 

"Police identify gunman as Cho Seung-Hui, 23".

[Ripper 0]

Ripper, life isn't a shoot-em-up action-adventure movie. It doesn't work the same as when Chuck Norris can spinkick a ninja or Jack Bauer can left-hook a rocket launcher off an Arab's shoulder at a director's request. Sorry, dude.

 

 

That sounds an awful lot like what I said in my first post.

 

I said attack the attacker when there are no more options. I thought the guy locked himself in the classroom with the students with a chain and lock so they couldn't get out and started shooting at least 50 people multiple times each with two guns that held 17 bullets. That wasn't the case as Eric explained to me, but if it was and there was no other option outside of faking dead, you would have to think mobbing the guy would have to come up as a "If I don't do this I am going to die" situtation.

 

Once again:

 

1: Run

2: Hide

3: Lie down and hope shooter moves on

4: Fake Dead

5: If all else fails, make a move and hope for the best.

 

I personally heard the situation as at least 1-3 failed and obviously was going to fail miserably.

[Ripper 0]

Oh, I forgot there haven't been any non-Arab Muslim shooters in US history. Oh wait, yes there have:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammed

 

Plenty of Muslims in Southeast Asia. Doesn't mean this killer was one, but it's not as out of the realm of possiblity as some of you would claim.

 

Anyway, from what I understand this guy was a legal alien resident here in the US. I suspect we'll see the ability for aliens to purchase firearms in US to be revoked sooner than later.

 

 

I don't think anyone is saying that it is out of the realm of possibility, I think they are saying its kinda fucking stupid that something happens and you think "Oh man....probably was a Muslim" when lets face it, school shootings = White guy should be the usual assuption as that is what it usally is.

 

I wouldn't get mad or shocked if people assume black people are involved in "Gang related shooting at MLK High in Compton" . It would be a little silly to say "Oh...musta been a Arab". As it was in this situation.

[Guest Eagle Man]

Plenty of Muslims in Southeast Asia. Doesn't mean this killer was one, but it's not as out of the realm of possiblity as some of you would claim.

Korea isn't part of Southeast Asia, unless Kim Jong Il bombed the whole peninsula so hard it flew up in the air and landed on Burma. Why are you guys still holding out on the Muslim thing?

[Black Lushus 0]

I think seeing a guy holding a gun would bring up a different kind of fear as opposed to a guy weilding a box cutter, like the United 93 situation. I'm more likely to bum rush the latter as opposed to the former. Even in a robbery where a knife or gun is brought in to play. My initial reaction on the gun is to try and talk him out of it but also giving him what he wants. If he had a knife, I'd seriously contemplate doing some hollywood action star stuff on him (if making distance between us isn't an a option and death was inevitable).

 

When bullets are flying and bodies are splattering, I don't think it's tough guy adrenaline kicking in, it's praying to sweet jesus for mercy adrenaline.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Yeah, it's tough to say how you'd react in that kind of situation. It's easy to use the tough guy talk now, but having a gun pointed at you isn't something I hope anyone here has to experience.

 

That said, I'd hope I would have the guts to try and tackle the guy or something. It seems like these situations never end well anyway.

[Ripper 0]

Dude, I am not trying to take a guy with a knife either unless I think he is trying to kill everyone. Plus, what is he going to do...throw it at me when I start running.

 

This isn't tough guy talk. This is simple fight or flight. When flight is no longer an option (and its almost always an option) you need to do something. And simple want to survive would eventually take over if no other option is seen. But like Eric has explained, the chance to survive was present when the guy left the room those times so yeah, I would have been huddled in a corner hoping he would have come back.

 

My post was on a misunderstanding of the situtation. I am saying lock me in a room with a guy that needs to reload, and I see he is hell bent on killing everyone in said room, eventually, 5-6 of us are going to have to rush the dude. and try to over power him.

 

I will say this. If I was on flight 93 and they told me they were turning the plane around and going somewhere else and noone would get hurt, I wouldn't have rushed them even though they just had box cutters.

 

I will never ever rush anyone unless I think that I am going to die if I Run, hide or fake dead. And I thought that was the situation these kids were in.

[theintensifier 0]

Who's retarded at the Pit?

The mook at the chicken factory, for starters.

Que?

 

Um, most people aren't finger printed.

 

Although if he was actually FROM from South Korea and studying here on a visa, would he have been finger printed?

Yes.

 

Over at the Pit, some of the posters believe that students should be able to carry firearms, does anyone here agree with that?

 

I don't see what the difference is if its a black/white/asian/muslim that killed all of those students.

[EricMM 0]

The more guns that are about, the more often these situations are going to come up. That's why we have a 10:1 ratio of these things over here compared to Europe.

 

That being said, the guns are here. If the people in the classroom each had had a pistol of their own, 33 people probably would not have died.

 

I am divided on the issue........

[Dobbs 3K 0]

No, there's no way I think students on a college campus should be allowed to carry guns. In theory, there should be enough security to protect people from incidents like this.

 

I remember being in college, and one RA I knew said her biggest fear with her job would be some drunk student she had written up pulling a gun and shooting her. I don't think it was an invalid fear.