Shooting at Virginia Tech Campus

[Guest Eagle Man]

oh, and virginia is totally southern, except for the northern part.

Paul McCarver.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

We should take a lesson from France. Their population is now roughly ten percent Arab Muslim. Their situation will not get better.

 

My statement, though, was more in how they find time to criticize us at every crisis, tell other European nations to "shut up", and easily forget about their own problems...like how only a few thousand people died in France during a heat wave a couple years ago.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Wait....wait....wait....

 

He shot and killed 32 people and injured another what, 20 with a fucking glock and a .22 semi automatic? Seriously? And the doctor said that he didn't see anyone with less than 3 bullets in them? From one freakin guy?

 

Listen, i am not like alot of people that think they can go all Bauer on people with guns because its not realistic and you are going to die. Most times I say get the fuck out of there and run, but dude. The dude has a 10 shot .22 and a 17 shot glock. And was shooting people multiple times. Its not like he could really reload one while shooting the other. Eventually you have to see this asshole is hell bent on killing everyone in there and either rush him or just fake dead. There comes a point when wait in see has to go out the window here.

 

Dude, have you SEEN those Korean kids at arcades? He's probably got top scores on Time Crisis.

 

Who here's seen Elephant? I was watching it in class on Wednesday and Monday. Some timing.

 

I've seen it. I don't think I cared for it all that much.

[Guest Eagle Man]

Dude, have you SEEN those Korean kids at arcades? He's probably got top scores on Time Crisis.

 

 

 

 

[Henry Spencer 0]

Elephant was great. You people are Philistines.

[Guest Queen Leelee]

I mean, they're not that crazy. Just terrible and hugely retarded, and yeah, probably something a pissed-off 15 year-old would write. I certainly wouldn't institutionalize a kid because he wrote a shitty faux-Albee play with Guns n' Roses lyrics. I would give him an F, though, and show copies of his shitty play to my friends.

 

I think what's always been most fascinating to me about shooting sprees is that they don't happen more often. As long as a person has no regard for his or her own life, he/she can get down to some bad stuff really quickly and easily in any number of public spaces.

 

 

Most people like that are more likely to just take their own lives and leave it at that. But, really, you have to be driven by a lot of hate to be willing to take dozens of innocent people with you.

That hate is easily found at a university. This kid was a loner, and he's around nothing but social interaction with little responsibility. I have to imagine that would make one jealous, and very angry.

 

I agree with Edwin about this not happening more. The ingredients are there. Weapons are easy to obtain nowadays.

 

What bothers me is how VT handled this. It's appalling. Reading his work, the kid was obviously mentally disturbed (let alone how this kid got to be a Senior with those writing skills, I know teachers from my community college would fail that poorly written crap). The shootings that were separated by 2 hours. It's scary shit.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Virginia is a southern state, you tool.

 

muahaha

 

its funny reading curry pull this shit after what happened at a quebec college 6-8 months go. what happened there? this can happen anywhere. canadians are too fucking smug for their own good.

 

I'll not deny the smugness. I'll also not deny that a shooting can, will and has happened on Canadian soil. Slayer provided helpful links.

 

I must be doing something right if Inc is stopping by in CE folders just to say hello. I'm glad I can bring smiles to faces during such a sad time.

 

Kickboxing folder?

[Gary Floyd 0]

Kenneth eng's response

 

For those who don't knw who he is, here's a little sample.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

This guy was a real hero. Makes me sick to my stomach to read this.

 

Professor Liviu Librescu, 76, threw himself in front of the shooter when the [murderer] attempted to enter his classroom. The Israeli mechanics and engineering lecturer was shot to death, "but all the students lived--because of him," Virginia Tech student Asael Arad--also an Israeli--told Army Radio.

 

Several of Librescu's other students sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he had blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said Librescu's son, Joe.

 

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

 

Librescu was a Holocaust survivor who escaped communist Romania for Israel in 1978 and moved to Virginia in 1986. By coincidence, he was murdered on Holocaust Remembrance Day

from the Jerusalem Post

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Kenneth eng's response

 

For those who don't knw who he is, here's a little sample.

 

That guy's gonna be stabbed at the appearance he's advertising in the background of that video.

[Hasbeen1 0]

Anyone thinking more gun ownership, by those allowed under the law to have them, is not a good thing needs to look up Atlanta suburb Kennesaw GA.

 

'The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996. In 1982, Kennesaw Georgia passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in their home, exempting those with criminal records or religious objections. Yet, after the law went into effect in 1982, there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997).Seven months after it took effect, the residential burglary rate dropped 89%, vs. 10.4% statewide. Crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low.

In addition to nearly non-existent homicide, the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

 

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you? The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence. The facts tell a different story.

 

What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

 

 

Note in Switzerland, every household must have, by law, a fully automatic machine gun and ammunition. The crime rate is very low there."

[Guest]

This guy was a real hero. Makes me sick to my stomach to read this.

 

Professor Liviu Librescu, 76, threw himself in front of the shooter when the [murderer] attempted to enter his classroom. The Israeli mechanics and engineering lecturer was shot to death, "but all the students lived--because of him," Virginia Tech student Asael Arad--also an Israeli--told Army Radio.

 

Several of Librescu's other students sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he had blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said Librescu's son, Joe.

 

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

 

Librescu was a Holocaust survivor who escaped communist Romania for Israel in 1978 and moved to Virginia in 1986. By coincidence, he was murdered on Holocaust Remembrance Day

from the Jerusalem Post

I read about him yesterday night. Not the article, but about what he did. Guys that are willing to do that don't come along every day.

 

Rest in peace indeed.

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Kenneth eng's response

 

For those who don't knw who he is, here's a little sample.

 

That guy's gonna be stabbed at the appearance he's advertising in the background of that video.

I hope he dies a horribly slow and painful death.

[Ginger Snaps 0]

This guy was a real hero. Makes me sick to my stomach to read this.

 

Professor Liviu Librescu, 76, threw himself in front of the shooter when the [murderer] attempted to enter his classroom. The Israeli mechanics and engineering lecturer was shot to death, "but all the students lived--because of him," Virginia Tech student Asael Arad--also an Israeli--told Army Radio.

 

Several of Librescu's other students sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he had blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said Librescu's son, Joe.

 

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

 

Librescu was a Holocaust survivor who escaped communist Romania for Israel in 1978 and moved to Virginia in 1986. By coincidence, he was murdered on Holocaust Remembrance Day

from the Jerusalem Post

I read about him yesterday night. Not the article, but about what he did. Guys that are willing to do that don't come along every day.

 

Rest in peace indeed.

 

All of the deaths are sad, but I thought his was the most tragic to me, personally. He survived the Holocaust, only to die years later because of some psycho college kid.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security.

The power of Science! Specious reasoning! Guns for students!

[Ripper 0]

Anyone thinking more gun ownership, by those allowed under the law to have them, is not a good thing needs to look up Atlanta suburb Kennesaw GA.

 

'The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996. In 1982, Kennesaw Georgia passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in their home, exempting those with criminal records or religious objections. Yet, after the law went into effect in 1982, there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997).Seven months after it took effect, the residential burglary rate dropped 89%, vs. 10.4% statewide. Crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low.

In addition to nearly non-existent homicide, the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

 

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you? The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence. The facts tell a different story.

 

What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

 

 

Note in Switzerland, every household must have, by law, a fully automatic machine gun and ammunition. The crime rate is very low there."

 

Kennesaws crime rate has absolute shit to do with decreasing crime rate. you know where else almost everyone has a gun? In the fucking ghetto where crime rate is through the roof. Crime most likely will be around poor people because poor people are more likely to get desparate and rob, and kill. Plus drug use is higher there because of the poor people selling drugs because they want money, creating a bunch of cracked out psychos. Kennesaw's median income is like 70,000 dollars. And they are way out in west bubble fuck and nobody is driving way out to Kennesaw to rob someon.

 

AND the fucking cops there are ASSHOLES. Like, write you a ticket for not coming to a complete stop and then requesting to check your trunk assholes.

 

AND on top of that, everyone knows that most people in Kennesaw don't have guns. They just did that to be smart asses about some town outlawing guns. Its just some for show law.

 

I guess my point is, blowing Kennesaw is kinda bullshit.

[Hasbeen1 0]

Anyone thinking more gun ownership, by those allowed under the law to have them, is not a good thing needs to look up Atlanta suburb Kennesaw GA.

 

'The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996. In 1982, Kennesaw Georgia passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in their home, exempting those with criminal records or religious objections. Yet, after the law went into effect in 1982, there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997).Seven months after it took effect, the residential burglary rate dropped 89%, vs. 10.4% statewide. Crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low.

In addition to nearly non-existent homicide, the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

 

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you? The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence. The facts tell a different story.

 

What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

 

 

Note in Switzerland, every household must have, by law, a fully automatic machine gun and ammunition. The crime rate is very low there."

 

Kennesaws crime rate has absolute shit to do with decreasing crime rate. you know where else almost everyone has a gun? In the fucking ghetto where crime rate is through the roof. Crime most likely will be around poor people because poor people are more likely to get desparate and rob, and kill. Plus drug use is higher there because of the poor people selling drugs because they want money, creating a bunch of cracked out psychos. Kennesaw's median income is like 70,000 dollars. And they are way out in west bubble fuck and nobody is driving way out to Kennesaw to rob someon.

 

AND the fucking cops there are ASSHOLES. Like, write you a ticket for not coming to a complete stop and then requesting to check your trunk assholes.

 

AND on top of that, everyone knows that most people in Kennesaw don't have guns. They just did that to be smart asses about some town outlawing guns. Its just some for show law.

 

I guess my point is, blowing Kennesaw is kinda bullshit.

 

"Seven months after it took effect, the residential burglary rate dropped 89%, vs. 10.4% statewide. Crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low."

 

20 years ago Kennesaw wasn't nearly the wealthy place it is now. With so many guns around, you'd think there would be more "crimes of passion", disputes where the gunowner shot first and thought later, etc, but maybe not if he knows he might get it first.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I suppose hindsight is 20/20. Check out this article (oh for you Canadians complaining about the US News Media sensationalizing things, the headline here is from a Canadian paper..)

 

They did not know the killer among them

Melissa Leong, National Post, with files from Adrian Humphreys and news services

Published: Wednesday, April 18, 2007

 

His classmates barely remember him speaking.

 

Cho Seung-hui had been quiet. He isolated himself from people. His campus roommates admitted to not really knowing him.

 

But the 23-year-old English major at Virginia Tech had a voice through his writing, which was disturbing enough to compel school administrators to refer him for psychiatric help and contact police in the fall of 2005.

 

On Monday, Cho, who immigrated to the United States from South Korea when he was eight, conducted the worst shooting rampage in U.S. history.

 

Eyewitnesses reported the gunman, a 6-foot Asian male wearing a black leather coat, stalked the classrooms at Norris Hall, firing at students and professors with a semiautomatic handgun. He did so wordlessly, straight-faced.

 

My midday on Monday, 33 people had died, including Cho, who had shot himself in the head.

 

"You caused me to do this," he wrote in a several-page-long note that he left in his dorm room, ABC News reported yesterday. His note inveighed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus, the Chicago Tribune reported.

 

But it shed little light on the motives behind his rampage. Cho had the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms, the Chicago Tribune reported, citing unidentified sources. The paper also reported Cho had shown recent signs of "violent, aberrant behaviour," including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking women.

 

Cho arrived in Detroit on Sept. 2, 1992. He registered with U.S. authorities at the Detroit airport suggesting that, although Detroit is home to a busy border crossing with Windsor, the family did not drive to the U.S. from Canada.

 

Information on the specific flight was not available but Russ Knocke, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, confirmed the family flew into the United States, "likely" direct from Asia.

 

Canada Border Services Agency had no record of Cho being in Canada.

 

He grew up in an off-white, two-story townhouse in the suburb of Centreville, near Washington, D.C. His family runs a dry cleaning business. He reportedly has a sister who graduated from Princeton University.

 

"He was very quiet, always by himself," Abdul Shash, a former neighbour, said of the gunman. Mr. Shash said Cho spent a lot of his free time playing basketball, and would not respond if someone greeted him.

 

Students at Harper Hall, the campus dormitory where Cho lived, said they had little interaction with him.

 

Timothy Johnson, a student from Annandale, Va., said people would say hello to Cho in passing, but nobody knew him well.

 

"People are pretty upset," Mr. Johnson said. "He's a monster ... I can't believe I said 'hi' to him in the hall and then he killed all those people."

 

His roommate, Joe Aust, said Cho ate his meals alone and rejected attempts at friendship.

 

"[He was] just anti-social, didn't talk to anybody. I tried to make conversation with him in August or so and he would just give one word answers and not try and carry on the conversation," the 19-year-old sophomore studying engineering told The New York Times.

 

"I would notice a lot of times, I would come in the room and he would kind of be sitting at his desk, just staring at nothing."

 

One student told The Associated Press that on the first day of a British literature class last year, when the students were introducing themselves, Cho remained mute. And on the sign-in sheet where everyone had written their names, Cho had scribbled a question mark. "Is your name, Question Mark?" classmate Julie Poole remembered the professor asking. "We just really knew him as the question mark kid," she added.

 

"He was just there," Stephanie Derry, a senior at Virginia Tech told reporters. "I can't even describe it."

 

She took playwriting class with Cho.

 

"He would just sit and watch us, but wouldn't say anything. It was his lack of behaviour that really set him apart."

 

"It's still very hard for me to believe that a) this could and did happen and b) someone I know could have done it," the 22-year old English major wrote in an email to the National Post.

 

She remembered a morbid, one-act play that Cho submitted for peer-review in the class which describes a fight between an angry 13-year-old boy and his stepfather. In it, the mother brandishes a chainsaw, the son accuses the father of molesting him and tries to choke him with a banana cereal bar.

 

She did, however, remember him smiling, once. The class was discussing one of his plays; everyone laughed nervously and told Cho that they were unsure of how to read his story, as a drama or comedy, she said.

 

"He smiled, barely, and nodded his head."

 

"When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare," Ian MacFarlane, a former classmate, wrote on an AOL News blog. "I was even thinking of scenarios of what I would do in case he did come in with a gun, I was that freaked out about him."

 

In October, 2005, his professors became concerned about Cho's behaviour.

 

"In this case, I decided that it would be good to refer him to counsellors and also copy the police, get in touch with student affairs and anyone I thought could be helpful," Lucinda Roy, co-director of the department's creative writing program, said in a telephone interview from her Blacksburg, Va., home where she watched the university's memorial service on TV.

 

Prof. Roy said she privately tutored him for a time, and added that throughout her teaching career she had never seen a student as troubled as Cho.

 

School officials did not know what the immediate outcome of the school's action was.

 

"Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this," Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, told The Associated Press.

 

Again, I feel this is hindsight being 20/20 and all... if everyone thought something could be wrong with him, why didn't anyone do something about it? Christ. The apathy of white kids these days.

 

SAMPLE OF CHO'S WRITING

 

Cho's writings alarmed an English teacher at Virginia Tech who referred him to counselling and consulted with other authorities. These are excerpts from a play purportedly written by Cho.

 

In the play, in which the protagonist, John, characterizes his stepfather, Richard McBeef, as a pedophile and the murderer of his father, he asks: "What are you, a Catholic priest! I will not be molested by an aging balding overweight pedophilic stepdad named Dick!Get your hands off me you sicko! Damn you, you Catholic priest. Just stop it, Michael Jackson. Let me guess, you have a pet named Dick in Neverland ranch and you want me to go with you to pet him, right?" Later, John is in his bedroom and begins to fantasizes about killing Richard McBeef.

 

John: (In his room, he smiles and throws darts on the target that is the face of Richard [McBeef.]) "I hate him. Must kill Dick. Must kill Dick. Dick must die. Kill Dick ... Richard McBeef. What kind of name is that? What an a--hole name. I don't like it. And look at his face. What an a--hole face. I don't like his face at all. You don't think I can kill you, Dick? You don't think I can kill you? Gotcha. Got one eye ... Got the other eye." John's mother tries to kill her husband with a chainsaw. Richard McBeef escapes to his car where John approaches him.

 

Hah. Richard McBeef.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Again, I feel this is hindsight being 20/20 and all... if everyone thought something could be wrong with him, why didn't anyone do something about it? Christ. The apathy of white kids these days.

I think it's exactly hindsight, and there's really not much more to it. Thousands of people write shitty macabre plays or follow a girl around, or both, or act "rebellious" in a class. The distance between that and killing 32 people is close to immeasurable. I certainly would have done nothing more than assume he was acting out for attention and ignore him completely, and I don't think anyone else posting here would have done anything differently.

[Guest Eagle Man]

What are you, a Catholic priest! I will not be molested by an aging balding overweight pedophilic stepdad named Dick!Get your hands off me you sicko! Damn you, you Catholic priest. Just stop it, Michael Jackson. Let me guess, you have a pet named Dick in Neverland ranch and you want me to go with you to pet him, right?

This is by no means any sort of piggybacking on the "I BET HE'S AN ISLAMOFASCIST" theory, but if you presented that excerpt to me and asked me who wrote it, I'd say it was the work of an Arab kid. It's like a pastiche of bad things in America, not unlike that "i'm a pregnant unmarried mother, oh no it's the president bush i will crap on you" video from that one South Park episode.

[EricMM 0]

Of course not.

 

Because we have a horribly impersonal and private culture.

[Guest Eagle Man]

Of course not.

 

Because we have a horribly impersonal and private culture.

To the Norwegians and French, we're prying and ostentatious, so whaddyagonnado.

[EricMM 0]

Really?

 

I always thought white America had the widest "bubbles" in the world...

[Guest Eagle Man]

Northern and Western Europe are pretty reserved, I believe. It's hard to tell with the French; they're close with people they're really truly close with, but aren't as superficial with the handshakes and backslaps and small talk, leading to our perception that they're rude (along with actual rudeness). I think we've loosened up a bit compared to our northern/western European predecessors, in terms of discretion about what we share with others. Having those in-your-face Mediterraneans and Hispanics enter our culture tends to moderate things as well.

 

I don't think your editorializing (read: pissing and moaning) about our horribly impersonal culture is really warranted. I don't have a problem with how we conduct ourselves, by and large.

[Ripper 0]

Anyone thinking more gun ownership, by those allowed under the law to have them, is not a good thing needs to look up Atlanta suburb Kennesaw GA.

 

'The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996. In 1982, Kennesaw Georgia passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in their home, exempting those with criminal records or religious objections. Yet, after the law went into effect in 1982, there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997).Seven months after it took effect, the residential burglary rate dropped 89%, vs. 10.4% statewide. Crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low.

In addition to nearly non-existent homicide, the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

 

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you? The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence. The facts tell a different story.

 

What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

 

 

Note in Switzerland, every household must have, by law, a fully automatic machine gun and ammunition. The crime rate is very low there."

 

Kennesaws crime rate has absolute shit to do with decreasing crime rate. you know where else almost everyone has a gun? In the fucking ghetto where crime rate is through the roof. Crime most likely will be around poor people because poor people are more likely to get desparate and rob, and kill. Plus drug use is higher there because of the poor people selling drugs because they want money, creating a bunch of cracked out psychos. Kennesaw's median income is like 70,000 dollars. And they are way out in west bubble fuck and nobody is driving way out to Kennesaw to rob someon.

 

AND the fucking cops there are ASSHOLES. Like, write you a ticket for not coming to a complete stop and then requesting to check your trunk assholes.

 

AND on top of that, everyone knows that most people in Kennesaw don't have guns. They just did that to be smart asses about some town outlawing guns. Its just some for show law.

 

I guess my point is, blowing Kennesaw is kinda bullshit.

 

"Seven months after it took effect, the residential burglary rate dropped 89%, vs. 10.4% statewide. Crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low."

 

20 years ago Kennesaw wasn't nearly the wealthy place it is now. With so many guns around, you'd think there would be more "crimes of passion", disputes where the gunowner shot first and thought later, etc, but maybe not if he knows he might get it first.

 

Yeah, except the 89 percent rate dropped is simply not true. If you look at FBI crime stats, they actually went up.

 

Yes...20 years ago it wasn't a wealthy place. They tore down all the cheaper housing, built up expensive homes and turned it into a upscale out of the way area of Atlanta. AMAZINGLY crime went down. OH MY GOODNESS. Plus they were working with ridiculously low numbers in the first place. No body lived in Kennesaw in 1982. So if crime went from say 10 murders to 5 it was a 50% drop. IT MUST BE THE GUNS. There never was crime in kennesaw.

 

Once again. Its a statement law . Not even close to everyone in Kennessaw have guns. And everyone knows it. Rich people don't get robbed that much because it is harder to rob a house with an alarm system. Thats EVERYWHERE.

 

And once again, I am going to bring up the point, exactly how many guns do you think there are in your regular crime ridden inner city area? Is that helping? There is no crime in Kennesaw because no one gives a shit about Kennesaw.

[Exslade ZX 0]

Ha...just gotta love this line..

 

"He grew up in an off-white, two-story townhouse in the suburb of Centreville, near Washington, D.C. His family runs a dry cleaning business."

 

It just seems a random bit of information to me. Pretty much saying, go find those fuckers, and make em pay. Of course, maybe that's just how I'm reading it..but yea.

[Guest Eagle Man]

Haha, Koreans running a dry cleaning business. Roger Clemens is vindicated!

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Ha...just gotta love this line..

 

"He grew up in an off-white, two-story townhouse in the suburb of Centreville, near Washington, D.C. His family runs a dry cleaning business."

 

It just seems a random bit of information to me. Pretty much saying, go find those fuckers, and make em pay. Of course, maybe that's just how I'm reading it..but yea.

 

Wait- the solution here is to find his family and make them pay?

 

FUCK YEAH

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

The New York Times story mentions the street where his parents live, and local news here in Virginia showed their house several times yesterday. Seems like pretty bad procedure to me.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

For all the people talking about his writings, and why no one did anything after seeing them...chances are, they legally couldn't. Unless he made a direct threat against someone, there would have been nothing to act on. I know, my wife is a former high school English teacher.