Rev. Jerry Falwell

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I don't care for Jerry Falwell's comments, but these arguments are always the same.

 

A non-Christian isn't going to understand where a Christian is coming from on issues like this, and vice versa. It's a pointless argument.

 

Bullshit, Invader. There's no justification for the diseased bullshit this guy spewed and for you to tie this bloated turd to other Christians is insulting to them.

[SamoaRowe 0]

I don't care for Jerry Falwell's comments, but these arguments are always the same.

 

A non-Christian isn't going to understand where a Christian is coming from on issues like this, and vice versa. It's a pointless argument.

 

Bullshit, Invader. There's no justification for the diseased bullshit this guy spewed and for you to tie this bloated turd to other Christians is insulting to them.

 

Amen to that.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Eh, perhaps that was a little harsh, Invader. All I'm saying is that you seem to be saying, "oh, there's two sides to this debate and people are just not going to agree."

 

What I'm saying is there is no defense of this guy, & that ANKLELOCK's & spman's respective defenses of the Reverend are wrongheaded.

[snuffbox 0]

Like Jesus didn't hate large blocs of random people in his day.

[Guest George's Box]

Predictable thread.

 

You really thought a couple folks would go to bat for Jerry?

There's always one.

[ANKLELOCK 0]

I clarified that I thought alot of what he said was BS, FYI.

 

Whatever, I'll concede the point and stop posting now.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Oh, and I'm not defending what Falwell was saying in any of those quotes. I just think that it's a frustrating argument either way.

 

Look, as a Christian, the Bible says that homosexuality isn't a part of God's plan. You don't have to agree with it, but it's there. That doesn't mean that a true Christian wants to lynch gays or condemn them. In the Bible, Christ associated with a lot of sinners, because he wanted to help them. I think that gets lost in this debate.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Like Jesus didn't hate large blocs of random people in his day.

 

Well, there were the money changers in the temple...

[bob_barron 0]

A very misguided statement, yes, but attacking homosexuality as an act while maintaining his assertion that he still respected and love the gays themselves is not the same as wishing death upon an individual.

 

He was pro-apartheid

[spman 0]

Okay, I'm not too fresh on what the ACLU has been up to, so I'll give you that, but Bill O'Reilly is a horrible source. He has about zero credibility with me due to the nature of his television show, which seems to follow the same formula every night.

 

1) Bill brings on a guest.

 

2) Bill disagrees with guest.

 

3) Bill is out-argued by guest.

 

4) Bill shouts and/or cuts off the guest's mic.

 

And repeat.

 

Yes, there are most certainly some very clear instances where Bill has done this to guests, but it FAR from the norm. Anytime bill ever does this to a guest they are either A. Lying, B. Not answering questions, or C. Ranting and raving with no discernible point or purpose. I don't know why people give O'Reilly such a bad rap, he's probably the most fair guy on television right now whether you love him or hate him, and I'm not sure whether that says something about Bill O'Reilly, or Television Journalism as a whole, but whatever.

[cbacon 0]

Bill is the purveyor of all truth, and knows when your lying.

[spman 0]

Bill is the purveyor of all truth, and knows when your lying.

 

See, this is why I don't even bother arguing here at all. Most people just resort to making smart ass comments rather then intelligent replies.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Thank god!

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

Bill is the purveyor of all truth, and knows when your lying.

 

See, this is why I don't even bother arguing here at all. Most people just resort to making smart ass comments rather then intelligent replies.

 

Lesson for the day. God forbid someone should be respectful and just say "I disagreed with the man, but I give my condolences to his family on their loss." It's much better to insult the deceased and show how cool you are by loudly proclaiming that your earnest wish is that he's roasting in Hell. I figured the thread was going to be short on class. Shame I wasn't surprised.

 

When Jesse Jackson passes away are all these same offended people going to bring up "Hymietown" and "white interlopers"? Or would that be insensitive?

[Henry Spencer 0]

When Jesse Jackson passes away are all these same offended people going to bring up "Hymietown" and "white interlopers"?

 

Probably.

[Guest George's Box]

When Jesse Jackson passes away are all these same offended people going to bring up "Hymietown" and "white interlopers"?

 

Probably.

"White interlopers" was Sharpton, I think, and yes they will, and yes they should.

[Darthtiki 0]

I'm sure Larry Flynt had a nice little soiree in his honor tonight

[Art Sandusky 0]

The celebrating by people now will be dwarfed by the collective kegger people in this country will have when Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pass on.

 

I'm not even particularly Christian myself, but if I were an actual practicing churchgoer I would despise the guy. I'm not happy he's dead, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sort of relieved. Besides, whether his vitriol towards anyone who wasn't him or his followers had some merit or not he found out real quick when he showed up at the gates.

 

I view Christianity to be a benevolent faith built upon love for your common man. Jerry Falwell was the opposite of this and, whether you like the comparison or not, him and others of his kind that are still with us (Pat Robertson, I'm looking at you) were/are the same as the radical Muslim clerics that lead their own armies. The only difference is that when you see a tape released to Al-Jazeera filled with religious rhetoric there isn't a number at the bottom of the screen to call and contribute to their cause. This is not to say that evangelical priests and ministers are the same as their counterparts who call on the death of entire races or groups, but theologically they're on the same level.

 

EDIT: Oh, and a big ol' posthumous FUCK YOU for saying that about Billy Graham.

[Guest George's Box]

If you're on Facebook and have the opportunity to check out some Falwell memorial groups from the kids at Liberty University, do so. It's pretty creepy and worrisome that there are people who are bright as hell (the situational awkwardness of this phrase isn't lost on me) but regard Jerry Falwell as anything but a money-hoarding hatemonger.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

There was a younger gay guy that I used to work with who used to attend Liberty and was actually pretty close with the Falwell family. This was all, of course, before he came out and was disowned by his family.

 

My friend and college roommate freshman year actually transferred to Kentucky from Liberty mostly because he didn't like not being able to hold hands with his girlfriend and stuff.

[SamoaRowe 0]

Okay, I'm not too fresh on what the ACLU has been up to, so I'll give you that, but Bill O'Reilly is a horrible source. He has about zero credibility with me due to the nature of his television show, which seems to follow the same formula every night.

 

1) Bill brings on a guest.

 

2) Bill disagrees with guest.

 

3) Bill is out-argued by guest.

 

4) Bill shouts and/or cuts off the guest's mic.

 

And repeat.

 

Yes, there are most certainly some very clear instances where Bill has done this to guests, but it FAR from the norm. Anytime bill ever does this to a guest they are either A. Lying, B. Not answering questions, or C. Ranting and raving with no discernible point or purpose. I don't know why people give O'Reilly such a bad rap, he's probably the most fair guy on television right now whether you love him or hate him, and I'm not sure whether that says something about Bill O'Reilly, or Television Journalism as a whole, but whatever.

 

If you really believe that then you need to watch more shows. Bill sits there and makes things up on a regular basis. One time I heard him say that abortion should be illegal because it can NEVER ENDANGER THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER. That is not opinion, it is a flat out INCORRECT statement. O'Reilly is a liar, a propagandist, and has no business being on television presenting himself as being anything resembling fair or balanced.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

um, it's sad he's dead in the sense that I don't like it when anybody (other than maybe murderers and rapists) dies. Yeah. That's as positive a thing as I can muster.

[Renegade 0]

Thank God.

 

Now time for Phelps.

[SamoaRowe 0]

Not that I want to feed the feeling of persecution that motivates the Westboro Baptist Church, but wouldn't it be grand if Phelps' funeral had a huge mob to picket it?

[Renegade 0]

You know it will.

[cbacon 0]

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

You can all relax *I* am here now to bring true enlightenment to this thread.

 

JERRY FALWELL: STONE FUCKING DEAD AT LAST

 

by Matt Cale

 

 

When I first heard word that Jerry Falwell – evangelist, activist, chubby scoundrel – had breathed his last at the age of 73, I yipped with the delight of a kid eating ice cream. It was one of those rare moments in life where everything aligns, fits, and joins in perfect harmony; when the universe at last makes sense, the clouds part, and the sky bursts forth with the radiant energy of boundless optimism. I sat in my chair beaming, winking and grinning at nobody in particular, rubbing my hands together as if an invisible man faced with the towel-snapping reality of an unattended girl’s locker room. He had much to answer for, after all. He brought to life the Moral Majority, the bedrock religious institution of the 1970s that helped elect Ronald Reagan, ensuring that well into the next century, we’d be lionizing the very man most likely to sleep soundly through national security briefings. He blamed 9/11 on feminists, abortionists, and homosexuals, stopping just short of admitting that Christ himself took the controls that fateful day, cackling with glee at the massacre he hath wrought. He opposed gay marriage with the ferocity usually reserved for zombies tearing apart flesh, assuming that the loveless, duplicitous, half-baked hellfire that passes for the institution in this country would be further threatened by late night fisting and too much redecorating. And oh, how he hated -- women, children, atheists, the black, the brown, the immigrant -- all were tossed on the ash heap of zealotry and intolerance. And his people responded in kind.

 

And then there was the infamous lawsuit leveled against Larry Flynt. Poor Jerry, believing that the First Amendment need not apply to dangerous pornographers and moral degenerates. So grievously wounded by the liquor ad that implied he lost his virginity to his mother in an outhouse, Falwell took his case to the legal arena; a process that eventually reached the Supreme Court, who wisely told the whale-gutted Virginian to get fucked. He lost, freedom won, and Falwell slinked away briefly to reconsider his new method of attack. With the culture no longer as tolerant of his race-baiting, appeals to segregation, and fear-mongering (blacks will rape your women, kind sir), Falwell carefully selected the gay community as his new bete noire; a substitute for godless communism that ensured a compliant flock and teeming coffers. But lest we dismiss him as a mere charlatan, let it be said that Falwell genuinely believed in the breathless bigotry he heaved from his pulpit, and like good little lambs, America followed suit. Poverty, oppression, greed, and exploitation, seemingly in line with the historical notions of Christian charity, faded into the same oblivion that elevates anal sex as the primary barbarian at the gate. It was a new day, and Falwell never looked back.

 

So yes, while I can hope that in his final moments, Falwell was met head-on by a supreme charge of excruciating pain (may those seconds have passed like hours, if I am to derive maximum pleasure), I do wonder if the years ahead will be made less tolerable by his absence. What, after all, would the world look like without public reminders of religion’s true nature; the intolerance, the suspicion, the crippling paranoia that equates individual liberty with rank perversion? In a sense, it is not “victory” to vanquish the agents of brain rot, but rather to have them readily available for an appearance whenever the spiritual warriors overestimate their appeal and influence. Christianity is mocked by every decent and thinking individual, but at those times when it pleads respectability and benign intent, it is vital to have someone like Falwell around; the sort of behemoth who can cut through false pieties and fluttering eyelashes and deliver a white-hot message of murderous lust. The less we have of these rich symbols of hypocrisy, the more territory we cede to the camp who avoid such apocalyptic ravings, while happily twisting the blade with equal force and cunning. As such, Christianity’s face was must always be Falwell’s; he spoke truth to their power, and in this way, may have been the most honest man of his generation. To love Jesus is to loathe humanity, and to throw oneself upon thy knees in prayer is to crucify reason, good sense, progress, decency, and logic on the same bloody cross as the slab of veal they so revere. They sanction cruelty, misery, division, and despair, and hate the very heart that beats in their chests. Only Falwell had the courage to admit that this was indeed so. After all, he lived it every day of his miserable existence.

 

 

 

**Jerry's Greatest Hits, courtesy of slate.com:

 

On Sept. 11: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' "

 

On AIDS: "AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals."

 

On homosexuality: "I believe that all of us are born heterosexual, physically created with a plumbing that's heterosexual, and created with the instincts and desires that are basically, fundamentally, heterosexual. But I believe that we have the ability to experiment in every direction. Experimentation can lead to habitual practice, and then to a lifestyle. But I don't believe anyone begins a homosexual."

 

On Martin Luther King Jr.: "I must personally say that I do question the sincerity and nonviolent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and others, who are known to have left-wing associations."

 

On Martin Luther King Jr., four decades later: "You know, I supported Martin Luther King Jr., who did practice civil disobedience."

 

On public education: "I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again, and Christians will be running them."

 

On the separation of church and state: "There is no separation of church and state."

 

On feminists: "I listen to feminists and all these radical gals. ... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem."

 

On global warming: "I can tell you, our grandchildren will laugh at those who predicted global warming. We'll be in global cooling by then, if the Lord hasn't returned. I don't believe a moment of it. The whole thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability."

 

On Bishop Desmond Tutu: "I think he's a phony, period, as far as representing the black people of South Africa."

 

On Islam: "I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough of the history of his life, written by both Muslims and non-Muslims, that he was a violent man, a man of war."

 

On Jews: "In my opinion, the Antichrist will be a counterfeit of the true Christ, which means that he will be male and Jewish, since Jesus was male and Jewish."

[Gary Floyd 0]

You can all relax *I* am here now to bring true enlightenment to this thread.

 

JERRY FALWELL: STONE FUCKING DEAD AT LAST

 

by Matt Cale

 

 

When I first heard word that Jerry Falwell – evangelist, activist, chubby scoundrel – had breathed his last at the age of 73, I yipped with the delight of a kid eating ice cream. It was one of those rare moments in life where everything aligns, fits, and joins in perfect harmony; when the universe at last makes sense, the clouds part, and the sky bursts forth with the radiant energy of boundless optimism. I sat in my chair beaming, winking and grinning at nobody in particular, rubbing my hands together as if an invisible man faced with the towel-snapping reality of an unattended girl’s locker room. He had much to answer for, after all. He brought to life the Moral Majority, the bedrock religious institution of the 1970s that helped elect Ronald Reagan, ensuring that well into the next century, we’d be lionizing the very man most likely to sleep soundly through national security briefings. He blamed 9/11 on feminists, abortionists, and homosexuals, stopping just short of admitting that Christ himself took the controls that fateful day, cackling with glee at the massacre he hath wrought. He opposed gay marriage with the ferocity usually reserved for zombies tearing apart flesh, assuming that the loveless, duplicitous, half-baked hellfire that passes for the institution in this country would be further threatened by late night fisting and too much redecorating. And oh, how he hated -- women, children, atheists, the black, the brown, the immigrant -- all were tossed on the ash heap of zealotry and intolerance. And his people responded in kind.

 

And then there was the infamous lawsuit leveled against Larry Flynt. Poor Jerry, believing that the First Amendment need not apply to dangerous pornographers and moral degenerates. So grievously wounded by the liquor ad that implied he lost his virginity to his mother in an outhouse, Falwell took his case to the legal arena; a process that eventually reached the Supreme Court, who wisely told the whale-gutted Virginian to get fucked. He lost, freedom won, and Falwell slinked away briefly to reconsider his new method of attack. With the culture no longer as tolerant of his race-baiting, appeals to segregation, and fear-mongering (blacks will rape your women, kind sir), Falwell carefully selected the gay community as his new bete noire; a substitute for godless communism that ensured a compliant flock and teeming coffers. But lest we dismiss him as a mere charlatan, let it be said that Falwell genuinely believed in the breathless bigotry he heaved from his pulpit, and like good little lambs, America followed suit. Poverty, oppression, greed, and exploitation, seemingly in line with the historical notions of Christian charity, faded into the same oblivion that elevates anal sex as the primary barbarian at the gate. It was a new day, and Falwell never looked back.

 

So yes, while I can hope that in his final moments, Falwell was met head-on by a supreme charge of excruciating pain (may those seconds have passed like hours, if I am to derive maximum pleasure), I do wonder if the years ahead will be made less tolerable by his absence. What, after all, would the world look like without public reminders of religion’s true nature; the intolerance, the suspicion, the crippling paranoia that equates individual liberty with rank perversion? In a sense, it is not “victory” to vanquish the agents of brain rot, but rather to have them readily available for an appearance whenever the spiritual warriors overestimate their appeal and influence. Christianity is mocked by every decent and thinking individual, but at those times when it pleads respectability and benign intent, it is vital to have someone like Falwell around; the sort of behemoth who can cut through false pieties and fluttering eyelashes and deliver a white-hot message of murderous lust. The less we have of these rich symbols of hypocrisy, the more territory we cede to the camp who avoid such apocalyptic ravings, while happily twisting the blade with equal force and cunning. As such, Christianity’s face was must always be Falwell’s; he spoke truth to their power, and in this way, may have been the most honest man of his generation. To love Jesus is to loathe humanity, and to throw oneself upon thy knees in prayer is to crucify reason, good sense, progress, decency, and logic on the same bloody cross as the slab of veal they so revere. They sanction cruelty, misery, division, and despair, and hate the very heart that beats in their chests. Only Falwell had the courage to admit that this was indeed so. After all, he lived it every day of his miserable existence.

 

 

 

**Jerry's Greatest Hits, courtesy of slate.com:

 

On Sept. 11: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' "

 

On AIDS: "AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals."

 

On homosexuality: "I believe that all of us are born heterosexual, physically created with a plumbing that's heterosexual, and created with the instincts and desires that are basically, fundamentally, heterosexual. But I believe that we have the ability to experiment in every direction. Experimentation can lead to habitual practice, and then to a lifestyle. But I don't believe anyone begins a homosexual."

 

On Martin Luther King Jr.: "I must personally say that I do question the sincerity and nonviolent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and others, who are known to have left-wing associations."

 

On Martin Luther King Jr., four decades later: "You know, I supported Martin Luther King Jr., who did practice civil disobedience."

 

On public education: "I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again, and Christians will be running them."

 

On the separation of church and state: "There is no separation of church and state."

 

On feminists: "I listen to feminists and all these radical gals. ... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem."

 

On global warming: "I can tell you, our grandchildren will laugh at those who predicted global warming. We'll be in global cooling by then, if the Lord hasn't returned. I don't believe a moment of it. The whole thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability."

 

On Bishop Desmond Tutu: "I think he's a phony, period, as far as representing the black people of South Africa."

 

On Islam: "I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough of the history of his life, written by both Muslims and non-Muslims, that he was a violent man, a man of war."

 

On Jews: "In my opinion, the Antichrist will be a counterfeit of the true Christ, which means that he will be male and Jewish, since Jesus was male and Jewish."

Ah, Matt Cale from Ruthless Reviews. The site tends to be hit or miss, but the "10 Mosy Ridiculous Black Metal Pics of All time" is one of the best things in the history of the net. Also great is the guide to 80's action movies.

[Guest George's Box]

If you're on Facebook and have the opportunity to check out some Falwell memorial groups from the kids at Liberty University, do so.

Chad Duncan (Liberty) wrote

at 4:36pm

I'll be there, and I'm bring a brick, I will need some big people to stand in front of me to give me cover so I can hit one of those bastards in the face.

 

And I know they like to take pictures of those who cause trouble. And those who start fights. Screw that. Students rally behind me and we'll show them how much of their BS they can keep spreading. I'll show them what it truely means to be hated. If not bring the wrath of God on them myself. And another thing, they can't sue people they don't see. Wear all black and ski masks then beat the tar out of them. I need some followers

[ANKLELOCK 0]

On homosexuality: "I believe that all of us are born heterosexual, physically created with a plumbing that's heterosexual, and created with the instincts and desires that are basically, fundamentally, heterosexual. But I believe that we have the ability to experiment in every direction. Experimentation can lead to habitual practice, and then to a lifestyle. But I don't believe anyone begins a homosexual."

 

How is that an absurd statement?