Michael Moore's Sicko

[CBright7831 0]

 

Trailer

[spman 0]

Your signature is just a little obnoxious and large, don't ya think?

[CBright7831 0]

Your signature is just a little obnoxious and large, don't ya think?

If I knew how to shrink it, I would.

[Gary Floyd 0]

That is a horrible poster.

[dubq 0]

Wonderful...

[2GOLD 0]

Great, another "documentary" from Michael Moore.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I look forward to his totally impartial views and non made up facts

[4hartthreat 0]

I prefer the other poster where he is sitting in a waiting room surrounded by skeletons.

[NoCalMike 0]

The thing is, it's not like anyone needs Moore to let us know how fucked up and corrupt our healthcare for profit system is, however I am sure the documentary will entertain.

[Gary Floyd 0]

NoCalMike thinks it will be good. That's a real suprise...

 

I am suprised that he didn't type 2 or 3 long paragraphs about it.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

That is a horrible poster.

 

You are indeed.

[NoCalMike 0]

NoCalMike thinks it will be good. That's a real suprise...

 

I am suprised that he didn't type 2 or 3 long paragraphs about it.

 

Didn't say good. Said it will be entertaining. The only thing Michael Moore documentaries are really good for in the end is to maybe get people to do more research on said topics because while Moore's documentaries are entertaining, sometimes he takes sensationalistic approaches and puts on a lot of dog and pony shows to ham it up for the cameras, still as if it is a bad thing to get people talking about changing our health care system.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

This one is supposed to feature a lot less Moore on screen, which is a good thing.

[Boon 0]

Sometimes?!

[bobobrazil1984 0]

i dunno i think it'll be good. but then again i like bowling for columbine and thought f9/11 was ok.

[Gary Floyd 0]

That is a horrible poster.

 

You are indeed.

What the fuck dude? To think, I normally like you. Hell, I normally agree with your political beliefs.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

That is a horrible poster.

 

You are indeed.

What the fuck dude? To think, I normally like you. Hell, I normally agree with your political beliefs.

 

Just yankin' yer chain, bro.

[spman 0]

The DVD Screener of this has been on the 'Net for a couple of days now, I just finished watching it. It stats out fairly strong, pointing out obvious flaws in our countries healthcare system, but it quickly evolves into what is essentially a propaganda vehicle for Moore's blatant socialist viewpoint. While I am certainly not qualified to speak or subjects such as the Canadian Health care System, or Government Social Programs in France, but the skeptical side of me tends to think that's it's not all lollipops and candy canes like Moore makes it out to be. He only very briefly touches on the most obvious question which is "Who pays for all this?" but he never really gives a clear answer, probably because the only correct one isn't the one he wants to give.

 

Overall, this film is probably less polarizing them Fahrenheit or Columbine, but is equally one sided in it's viewpoint. Moore isn't going to win any new fans with this film, as he continues to preach to the choir.

[dubq 0]

While I am certainly not qualified to speak or subjects such as the Canadian Health care System, or Government Social Programs in France, but the skeptical side of me tends to think that's it's not all lollipops and candy canes like Moore makes it out to be.

 

It's not. It's wait-times out of your ass for public health care up here. ...and no it's not free, either. We pay out our asses via taxes for it.

[Gary Floyd 0]

Apparently, he's pissed off several Canadians with this movie.

 

Christ, I sometimes agree with Moore, but the man is the ultimate attention whore. It's more than a little convinient that he calls out Fred Thompson (who I'm not a fan of) right before his movie. Also, some of the bullshit he said in "Bowling for Columbine" piised me off, especially the little cartoon he made.

 

I'd like his movies more if he dropped the immature "look at me everyone!" antics, focused on the topic, didn't feel the need to humiliate people, and didn't fabricate shit (like splicing and editing footage together in "Bowling.") That won't happen, and he'll continue to make me feel embarresed for considering myself a Liberal.

 

Moore isn't going to win any new fans with this film, as he continues to preach to the choir.

 

That's the problem that I have with most political documentaries today: They preach to the choir. They don't challenge you. I tend to lean left (as I've mentioned) and I end up feeling unchallenged and unmotivated by them, because I want to find certain points that don't feel like preaching, and want them to actually challenge the viewer. If you ask me, a good political documentary should challenge you and make you think, not say things that you are already going to either agree with or that you already know. It's like listening to some (not all, but some) comics try to talk politics: They aren't funny, but they get a laugh out of people because that crowd thinks "boy, he sure is right!"

 

That's what Moore is: His movies don't teach you jack shit, but they get his fans cheering, going "yeah, he sure is right" while not challenging anybody else.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Yeah, I was gonna say, unless he mentioned waiting long enough that the gash in your head (which will require 4 stitches) actually stops bleeding before a single doctor even looks at you, then he's full of shit.

 

Granted, I think I'd rather wait a while in line than not being able to afford surgery or whatever, but our system is certainly not perfect.

[NoCalMike 0]

Umm, since when do people in America not wait in line and for obscene amounts of time at the emergency room?

 

To me the essential question is what costs more, a Health Tax or Health Insurance Premium. Because that is the major difference if you want to break down the issue to "what comes out of my pocket" Another difference is, at least with a health tax, you are guaranteed, as opposed to a Health Insurance premium, that you might pay, loyally, over the cours of 20 years, and then still not be covered because the insurance company decides it costs too much.

 

Honestly, I don't mind paying something for healthcare, but I think the entire idea behind "insurance" is a scam for the most part, because it is something you hardly ever need to use, but when that time finally comes, you are at the mercy of whether or not the company wants to cover you.

[spman 0]

Umm, since when do people in America not wait in line and for obscene amounts of time at the emergency room?

 

To me the essential question is what costs more, a Health Tax or Health Insurance Premium. Because that is the major difference if you want to break down the issue to "what comes out of my pocket" Another difference is, at least with a health tax, you are guaranteed, as opposed to a Health Insurance premium, that you might pay, loyally, over the cours of 20 years, and then still not be covered because the insurance company decides it costs too much.

 

Honestly, I don't mind paying something for healthcare, but I think the entire idea behind "insurance" is a scam for the most part, because it is something you hardly ever need to use, but when that time finally comes, you are at the mercy of whether or not the company wants to cover you.

 

I think everyone agrees that the system is broken, but no one seems to be able to come up with a solution to fix it. In the film, Moore profiles Canada, France, and England all three of which have a similar "Health Care Tax" program like you have mentioned. There are two fundamental differences between our countries and these however.

 

1. There are twice as many people in this country as there are in France, England, and Canada combined, 60 million in England and France, and 30 million in Canada. Compare that to 300 million in the United States, and you can see that such a program would have to be done on a much larger scale, and would be much more difficult, if not impossible, to manage.

 

and 2. The United States also seems to have a unique problem in that we have a fairly large percentage of the population who for a variety of different reasons don't pay any taxes at all. White collar criminals who cheat the system and get away with it, welfare leeches with seven kids who don't work, the homeless, the elderly, illegal aliens, etc., So should the (and this is just me pulling numbers out of my ass) 75% of the people who pay taxes in this country really have to take on the burden of the other 25% who don't? Certainly the elderly and the invalid should have some kind of guarantee for health care, but why the hell should I have to pay for people who don't belong in this country to get their Prozac, or some white trash family already stealing my money to get a free babysitter so they can go down to the store to buy cigarettes and lottery tickets with their Food Stamps.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

I'd like his movies more if he dropped the immature "look at me everyone!" antics, focused on the topic, didn't feel the need to humiliate people, and didn't fabricate shit (like splicing and editing footage together in "Bowling.") That won't happen, and he'll continue to make me feel embarresed for considering myself a Liberal.

 

What pissed me off most about "Bowling" was that his solution to the gun problem was harrassing a senile Charlston Heston and than cutting up his speeches and dialouge. Fucking disgraceful, and a not so smooth way to blow off the complexities of the issue by trying to draw all the attention to an "evil mastermind."

[NoCalMike 0]

Umm, since when do people in America not wait in line and for obscene amounts of time at the emergency room?

 

To me the essential question is what costs more, a Health Tax or Health Insurance Premium. Because that is the major difference if you want to break down the issue to "what comes out of my pocket" Another difference is, at least with a health tax, you are guaranteed, as opposed to a Health Insurance premium, that you might pay, loyally, over the cours of 20 years, and then still not be covered because the insurance company decides it costs too much.

 

Honestly, I don't mind paying something for healthcare, but I think the entire idea behind "insurance" is a scam for the most part, because it is something you hardly ever need to use, but when that time finally comes, you are at the mercy of whether or not the company wants to cover you.

 

I think everyone agrees that the system is broken, but no one seems to be able to come up with a solution to fix it. In the film, Moore profiles Canada, France, and England all three of which have a similar "Health Care Tax" program like you have mentioned. There are two fundamental differences between our countries and these however.

 

1. There are twice as many people in this country as there are in France, England, and Canada combined, 60 million in England and France, and 30 million in Canada. Compare that to 300 million in the United States, and you can see that such a program would have to be done on a much larger scale, and would be much more difficult, if not impossible, to manage.

 

and 2. The United States also seems to have a unique problem in that we have a fairly large percentage of the population who for a variety of different reasons don't pay any taxes at all. White collar criminals who cheat the system and get away with it, welfare leeches with seven kids who don't work, the homeless, the elderly, illegal aliens, etc., So should the (and this is just me pulling numbers out of my ass) 75% of the people who pay taxes in this country really have to take on the burden of the other 25% who don't? Certainly the elderly and the invalid should have some kind of guarantee for health care, but why the hell should I have to pay for people who don't belong in this country to get their Prozac, or some white trash family already stealing my money to get a free babysitter so they can go down to the store to buy cigarettes and lottery tickets with their Food Stamps.

 

I don't disagree with number one or two, but i will say that this government doesn't seem very pressed for money when it comes to funding the Iraq war. I mean they seem to be "finding money" to keep continuing the war. While at the same time giving tax cuts to the top 2%. But, yeah your points are valid.

[Red Baron 0]

So does this movie go directly into Flint Michagan and how poor his hometown really is?

[Gary Floyd 0]

I'd like his movies more if he dropped the immature "look at me everyone!" antics, focused on the topic, didn't feel the need to humiliate people, and didn't fabricate shit (like splicing and editing footage together in "Bowling.") That won't happen, and he'll continue to make me feel embarresed for considering myself a Liberal.

 

What pissed me off most about "Bowling" was that his solution to the gun problem was harrassing a senile Charlston Heston and than cutting up his speeches and dialouge. Fucking disgraceful, and a not so smooth way to blow off the complexities of the issue by trying to draw all the attention to an "evil mastermind."

The cartoon is what did it for me. At first, I thought "well, he has some poits, but he's a bit misguided." Then I saw the cartoon part of it, and thought "no, he's full of shit."

[Coffin Surfer 0]

The cartoon is what did it for me. At first, I thought "well, he has some poits, but he's a bit misguided." Then I saw the cartoon part of it, and thought "no, he's full of shit."

 

I believe he asked Matt Stone to do the cartoon and he flat out refused; so he just had someone copy the Southpark style and tried to imply they did it. Very sad, and yes the cartoon was pretty fucking off.

[reign 0]

I find his movies entertaining but I hope nobody really takes them seriously..people just need to understand that for the most part our country is out of control and nobody no matter how far up the ladder they are no one can pull the reigns in now...debt, healthcare, energy...it's all just way to wrapped up in people who only care about themselves...complacency is a mother fucker...

[cbacon 0]

DVD rip: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Sicko_Torrent