sfaJack 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 It's been 99 years for a reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Jesus Christ. I wasn't in favor of keeping the guy, but once again, Jim Hendry takes a once valuable commodity and gets nothing in return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I wanna add that I wouldn't have a problem with the trade if this Bowen guy was a big upgrade defensively (I don't know if he is or not) and the Cubs weren't hurting offensively elsewhere. As poor as Barrett had been at the plate so far, he was still one of the team's better hitters. If we had a productive rightfielder, this may not be such a big deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest George's Box Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I think Carnival's cousin Andy Bowen would be better than Rob Bowen. Oh, and I think Jacque Jones is gone before the break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Not that Michael Barrett is a monster upgrade at catcher, but I am starting to think that the Padres are the best team in the National League. They have the best rotation and bullpen and a solid offense that is masked by playing in Petco Park. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Well, Chris Russo says he's no longer afraid of the Mets. It's official, the NL's wide open now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest George's Box Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Not that Michael Barrett is a monster upgrade at catcher, but I am starting to think that the Padres are the best team in the National League. They have the best rotation and bullpen and a solid offense that is masked by playing in Petco Park. They might be, but they're not even a lock for the postseason. I think the Dodgers will still take it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 If the Fathers had a better offensive lineup, they'd easily be the best team in the NL. As it is, I can see them making postseason again and looking like they don't belong when they can't score any runs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest George's Box Report post Posted June 20, 2007 The Padres are a solid organization, and on that note, do you think it's advantageous to build a quality organization in a market where you're not terribly important? I see it the most in baseball and hockey. Messrs. Melvin and Towers are good GMs, by all means, but I think they've gotten some assistance in assembling their teams by not having fans, media, and ownership breathing down their necks. If the Padres aren't good, you go to the beach. If the Yankees aren't good, you get mad as fuck. And look at hockey, my God, it's even worse. Look at how well-operated the Ducks, Hurricanes, and Lightning have proven to be, and nobody really gives a shit about them. The Predators have been able to take their sweet time building a hockey organ-eye-zation properly, but they're such a fucking non-entity down in NASCAR/college football country that Waterloo, Ontario has become a preferable alternative. The Leafs, Habs, and B's are the teams this league is supposed to be built on, and they're messes, especially the Leafs. What a fucking shame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Not that Michael Barrett is a monster upgrade at catcher, but I am starting to think that the Padres are the best team in the National League. They have the best rotation and bullpen and a solid offense that is masked by playing in Petco Park. They might be, but they're not even a lock for the postseason. I think the Dodgers will still take it. It's going to depend what sort of moves they make at the deadline. The Dodgers have no offense to speak of and the easiest position to upgrade (1B) is not a possibility because it's blocked by Nomar's corpse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 20, 2007 We have some offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I gave up watching last night's Jays/Dodgers game after about 4 innings, but early on, the Dodgers seemed to be getting really lucky. A few inches here and there and the game wasn't the blow-out that it ended up being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 We have some offense. Team ranks: Runs - 25th HR - 29th BA - 18th OBP -16th SLG - 28th Saying they have "some" offense might be a little generous. They need to make a move for a big bat at the deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I was speaking more in terms of individual players like Gonzo and Martin, because guys like Nomar and Pierre have definitely dragged down our team rankings. At least we have the pieces to make a big move or two at the deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I could see the Dodgers getting Texiera or Dye at the deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Michael Barrett is underachieving at the plate this year, is not particularly good on defense, was a clubhouse disruption and is a free agent after the season. This was clearly an addition by subtraction trade for the Cubs, and I would say good riddance. The Cubs didn't need to get talent back to come out ahead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Article on espn.com states Rangers owner Tom Hicks "suspects" Juan Gonzalez used steroids. What irresponsible journalism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) Curt Schilling is headed to the DL due to soreness in his shoulder. Someone from Mass General send a corpse over to the team doctor so he can figure out how to deal with it. Or just use Julio Lugo. Same thing. Edited June 20, 2007 by KingPK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Michael Barrett is underachieving at the plate this year, is not particularly good on defense, was a clubhouse disruption and is a free agent after the season. This was clearly an addition by subtraction trade for the Cubs, and I would say good riddance. The Cubs didn't need to get talent back to come out ahead. Barrett's OPS+ from each of the past three seasons: 105, 113, 121. It is rare to get that kind of production from a catcher. Free agent or not, the Cubs should have been able to at least get a decent prospect for him. A half season of underachieving does not suggest that he's cooked as a player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Michael Barrett is underachieving at the plate this year, is not particularly good on defense, was a clubhouse disruption and is a free agent after the season. This was clearly an addition by subtraction trade for the Cubs, and I would say good riddance. The Cubs didn't need to get talent back to come out ahead. Barrett's OPS+ from each of the past three seasons: 105, 113, 121. It is rare to get that kind of production from a catcher. Free agent or not, the Cubs should have been able to at least get a decent prospect for him. A half season of underachieving does not suggest that he's cooked as a player. I just don't feel Barrett is a particularly good player. He hits, but does little else to help his team. And again, he was becoming a problem to the point where the Cubs HAD to trade him. That's a difficult position to deal with. In addition, teams have been loathe to give up talent in return for talent lately. Here's a question for the forum. If you root for a non-Cubs team, would you want Barrett? If so, what would you trade in return? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 While it would be nice to upgrade offensively at catcher (Barrett would be a significant upgrade offensively over Ausmus), Barrett's just not a very good defensive player. Also, I wouldn't feel comfortable with him catching Oswalt or playing with Berkman since their history is confrontational. Also, he's a FA at the end of the season. So, if I were GM of the Astros, I wouldn't trade for Barrett, but, if I DID trade for him, I certainly wouldn't want to give up a high prospect or Chris Burke or somebody like that for him. Uh...maybe a AAA arm that hasn't done much at the ML level like Miguel Ascencio and a AA journeyman like Todd Self for Barrett and cash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Here's a question for the forum. If you root for a non-Cubs team, would you want Barrett? If so, what would you trade in return? That all depends. Can Barrett catch a knuckler? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I'm annoyed when this happens...the Jays scored one run last night for their #4 starter, and have put up a dozen tonight for their ace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I'm watching the Cubs/Rangers game and I notice that on the backside of their pitching mound, they have the Ranger's logo carved into the mound. I also notice that the Angels have this. I haven't noticed this anywhere else. I wonder if a lot of teams do this and I just haven't ever noticed it. Either way, it's a nice asthetic touch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I take it Met fans aren't fans of Scott Schoeneweis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 No, we're not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Sammy Sosa just hit homerun #600. Good for you Sammy, good for you. It was pretty cool he got to do it at home, against the Cubs no less. And right there the Rangers get what they paid for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted June 21, 2007 What's really cool is that the ball landed in the bullpen, so Sammy or the team or what not get it, as opposed to Ebay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Holy Shit Matt Holliday almost hit the ball completely out of Coors Stadium. That was one of the longest homeruns I've ever seen. For those who missed definitely check out the replay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Here's a question for the forum. If you root for a non-Cubs team, would you want Barrett? If so, what would you trade in return? That all depends. Can Barrett catch a knuckler? Sliders seemed to give him problems, so I'm going to assume "no." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
