CBright7831 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 I've been watching old clips for the last few days and I have to say that I love nostalgia. I really do. 1997 was the year I got back into wrestling, and Sting was my favorite. The crow gimmick was excellent in my opinion. So going back, discuss what were you favorite moments w/ the Sting gimmick from that era. The most unforgettable moment w/ that gimmick would be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mc-UjlOQ4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Buzz 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 I've been a fan of Sting since his NWA days. I've even watched some of the UWF stuff. As far as the 96-96 era Sting, I'd say I enjoyed the mind games he'd play with the WCW wrestlers just as much as the nWo wrestlers. Where he'd hand off the bat to a WCW wrestler, and then turn his back. I'd like to see the promo he cut in the crow paint when he still had the mouth showing. I believe it was a week after he did his free agent promo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 I've been a fan of Sting since his NWA days. I've even watched some of the UWF stuff. As far as the 96-96 era Sting, I'd say I enjoyed the mind games he'd play with the WCW wrestlers just as much as the nWo wrestlers. Where he'd hand off the bat to a WCW wrestler, and then turn his back. I'd like to see the promo he cut in the crow paint when he still had the mouth showing. I believe it was a week after he did his free agent promo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZtoeZW513A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 What exactly is the story of how he went from Beach Sting to Crow Sting, preferrably in video form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommytomlin 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 Can't find a video, but the deal is that the nWo hired a Sting look-a-like to do dastardly stuff. The WCW guys thought it was the real Sting, leading to Sting getting all emo and indecisive. That came to a climax at Fall Brawl '96, when The Fake Sting entered on the nWo side, only for the real Sting to enter next, beat the shit out of Fake Sting and then leave his WCW buddies. It was only really at Uncensored '96, where he took apart the nWo and then pointed the bat at Hogan, that he showed he was with WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scarlett_Rayne 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't there something dealing with a fake sting and then when the real sting came back everyone thought he betrayed the company so he disappeared and started appearing in the rafters as crow sting? i can just remember bits and pieces of it all since i just barely started getting back into wrestling at that time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommytomlin 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 I also believe if Sting got a clean 3-count over Hogan at Starrcade, it would have been the most perfectly executed angle in modern wrestling. The fact it was kept so hot, with over a year and a half of build (with 2 hours of Nitro to fill every week) is amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 Here's "Sting" attacking Luger in the parking lot, Nitro 9/9/96 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz17K__rFyQ The last part of the War Games match six days later, with the fake Sting entering for the NWO and the real Sting entering for WCW, taking out all four guys then walking out on the match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huqmjW1Eafg Sting's promo from the next night, declaring himself a free agent. Last appearance of the classic Sting look Hope that answers everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 I've been watching old clips for the last few days and I have to say that I love nostalgia. I really do. 1997 was the year I got back into wrestling, and Sting was my favorite. The crow gimmick was excellent in my opinion. So going back, discuss what were you favorite moments w/ the Sting gimmick from that era. The most unforgettable moment w/ that gimmick would be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mc-UjlOQ4 Nitro should of been more like this. WCW standing against the NWO, instead of being it's bitch week in and week out. Crow Sting was such a perfect storyline. The most gullible wrestler in history, is "betrayed" by the company he's stood by 10 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest uruloke Report post Posted July 14, 2007 One of my favorite Sting moments was at the last Clash of the Champions with the vulture. It was cool to see it on the top rope and doing just like Sting does by spreading its wings, and to see the nWo (especially Bischoff iirc), literally crap themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obi Chris Kenobi 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 Him coming down from a helicopter at Venice Beach was pretty cool, but it was mainly his year long silence and sporadic appearances that really made him look good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timmy8271 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 Maybe it's just me but as I get older, I like crow sting less and less. When I was a kid, I loved Sting as the crow when he would just come out of nowhere to attack the NWO every week. His tag with Macho Man vs Hogan and company was great. I think Wolfpack sting and Sting's run in TNA has kinda soured him to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obi Chris Kenobi 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 I agree with the Wolfpac Sting and TNA Sting comments. Wolfpac Sting didn't make sense after everything he stood for over the 18 months before hand. TNA's Sting just seems rehashed, dated and drawn out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boxer 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 So I guess I ain't the only one wondering what WWE Sting would be like? He'd make a good Intercontinental or United States Champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obi Chris Kenobi 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 I think it'd be wrong, really, really, wrong. I have no reason why, but there's just something about it that would leave a bad taste in my mouth - maybes its the feeling that WWE would trash his legacy and gimmick like they did with all the WCW guys that came over after the buyout. I saw else where on the board that WWE wanted Sting to be Cena's Mentor, and Cena had the Sting Make Up on, and that doesn't seem right at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boxer 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 I think it'd be wrong, really, really, wrong. I have no reason why, but there's just something about it that would leave a bad taste in my mouth - maybes its the feeling that WWE would trash his legacy and gimmick like they did with all the WCW guys that came over after the buyout. I saw else where on the board that WWE wanted Sting to be Cena's Mentor, and Cena had the Sting Make Up on, and that doesn't seem right at all. Whoa, Fake Sting part 2? If this is the WWE we're talking about here, they'll probably have Sting the wrestler meet Sting the musician. Just like how Goldberg met Goldust, only because they had GOLD in their names. Apparently a lot of people thought that putting the wig on the guy, that Goldberg was damaged from that point on. As for Sting, I guess if Flair were to have one last match and this time he means it, why not Sting vs. Ric Flair at Wrestlemania 24? If they can close out WCW, they should each close out their careers. Shortly after that Sting will job to Val Venis on Heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 This was a pretty cool moment in the nWo/Sting feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 LOL Words can't describe how much WCW fucked up Starcade 1997. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canadian Brandon 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 Gotta love Bagwell posing. That is probably my favorite WCW moment ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 The Crow Sting angle is something that sooooo doesn't hold up with time worth a damn. Actually the beginning of it is still terrific, as the fake Sting attacks Luger and all that. The War Games to follow was also interesting from a story standpoint. But after that the storyline literally goes nowhere for about a YEAR. Let's face it, Crow Sting was a total pussy. Here is a guy who lets one simple misunderstanding transform him into a sad sack who prowls around the rafters as his friends all get their asses kicked by the NWO. Finally he decides to do something about it and helps them out, but the main villain actually kicks his ass clean in the center of the ring. I mean how was this character so over with fans? I wasn't the biggest Sting fan in the world from 1988-94 or so, but at least the guy was a never say die hero who faced the odds (Horsemen) or took hellacious beatings from a monster (Vader) and came back for more. Sure, people turned heel on him regularly, but at least he kept trying to see the good side of someone even against his better judgement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timmy8271 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 It was the time. Anyone the NWO faced from 1996 to early 1998 was over like a mother. People hated Hogan so much that they would cheer anyone that wasn't him. Starcade 97 killed my fandom of sting. I remember watching that at 11 years old and saying, What the fuck? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 Yeah, if Starrcade 97 had ended properly, it would have changed everyone's views on Sting and WCW. Heck, maybe WCW would still be around if Sting had just gone over cleanly after all that buildup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 I think WCW had it all planned out until that Starrcade but had no idea what to do after that. To be honest I don't think the finish of Starrcade 97 had any real serious impact on WCW's demise, since I don't know what they could have done with Sting as champ in the long term. There was no one match that wrecked WCW....it was 100 crappy matches with lousy booking. I don't even think Nash ending Goldberg's streak really wrecked the company as much as some people believe. It wasn't that Nash ended the streak, it was that Goldberg didn't really avenge it properly and get the belt back. I don't think even the Fingerpoke of Doom nonsense would have been a killer if they had done something plausible with it (like have Goldberg go through Nash and the NWO to take out Hogan for the title). Ironically Sting was involved in the match that made me realize WCW had no clue what they were doing. It was right after Spring Stampede 99 and DDP had shocked everyone and won the title. The DDP title win and heel turn was the most bizarre and heatless thing I've ever witnessed, since he was punked out hard by Steiner and put on the shelf, then comes back and jobs to Hogan in a TV match (where they destroyed the old Nitro set). Then DDP is arbitrarily tossed into a world title match at the PPV where he honestly just came off like a 4th guy because they needed a 4th guy. He literally had no heat to win the belt whatsoever, and had done a weird heel turn on top of it. So Sting faces him on Nitro and beats DDP soundly in the first hour to win the belt. I thought finally WCW had some sense and realized the DDP run was tanking, but they book a goofy 4 way rematch for later in the show. DDP regained the title by pinning Nash (?!) after Page had been in the crowd protesting the entire match. And then Sting was quickly forgotten as Nash--who was just pinned--got a title shot at the next PPV. Take a look at Nitro's ratings after this April episode. As it got into May and June of 1999 they started tanking bad. For me this was the last straw, and I never took WCW seriously again even though I kept watching till the bitter end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 I think Crow Sting worked largely because of mystique and because that type of character had not really been seen much. At the time it was not interpreted as Sting letting the WCW talent get their ass kicked, as much as it was no one knew whose side he was on. Every attack he did from October 96 to Uncensored 97, was against WCW guys who badmouthed him, but there was still enough doubt that he was possibly with the nWo. I think had they built upon his character in the 9 months after Uncensored, it might have helped, as would getting a clean victory over Hogan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 That was one of the things I hated about the NWO. Heenan becoming a face announcer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Buzz 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 I'm a fan of the career as a whole, and enjoy the TNA run a lot. I'd be pissed if the last 2 years of Sting in wcw were his last two years in wrestling. Atleast he goes out now with a few good matches, short title run, and decent storylines. I am interested in Sting signing a dvd deal with WWE after his TNA run, but nothing else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obi Chris Kenobi 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2007 What would you be excited about WWE doing with Sting, if he signed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timmy8271 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2007 Not to get off topic but about Starcade 97, I think they entry of Bret Hart started the slow painful death WCW. I don't know if Bischoff and company had the finish planned before Survivor Series for Starcade 97 but I wonder if Hogan had agreed to job clean to Sting before Bret Hart came on board. It's no secret that Hogan didn't like Hart. They had so much promise with Bret coming in and building him huge and they did the ref gimmick. About Sting in the WWE, I would love to see Sting team with Cena and HBK just once. I'd also like to see Sting vs Vince with Sting trying to save wrestling from Vince Mcmahon and his evilness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2007 What would you be excited about WWE doing with Sting, if he signed? A Sting DVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obi Chris Kenobi 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2007 Actually, I'd almost like to see Sting V Vince if it was done in a well thought out manner and not a Vince squashes another WCW talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites