NFL Discussion Forumtable: 2007

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Grossman and Lovie Smith says Rex won't fumble a single snap this season. He'll get picked off and all that but no FUMBLES! I don't buy it but we'll see. The departure of Scott will hurt more than Boone. As far as I know Boone was a third stringer in the depth chart last season, so it's not a big loss. Scott was a primary backup, so we have to hope the starters stay healthy.

[Guest Soriano's Torn Quad]

We have such a weird-ass quarterback. Guy can throw 80-yard bombs down the field sometimes, and other days his coach needs to guarantee us that Rex won't fumble the snap. A psychologist suggested that Rex has attention deficit disorder, based on some of his tendencies to repeatedly forget everything he's learned (or didn't learn in the first place), which is certainly a unique perspective on things, but I don't know if I'd agree. I should read up on ADD in sports (I know Scott Eyre and Adam LaRoche are medicated during games to stave off symptoms) and see how viable that theory is.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

That could be true except Rex Grossman was much better at Florida, though obviously the college level is weaker than the professional level, but at Florida, Grossman broke some records and is usually considered one of their better quarterbacks in history. I think his problem is that he thinks "Ok I have to be the best quarterback Chicago has ever seen" and he puts all this undue pressure on himself and I guess he just can't perform well with that perceived pressure on him. Michael Wilbon pointed out that it's harder even so for Grossman because he plays in a big market like Chicago, and since Bears fans can be quite ruthless in their criticism, it's fazing him. I dunno, just my guess.

[In Credible 0]

It wouldn't be incredibly hard to be the best Bears QB in history...

[skullman80 0]

Travis Henry is a busy man...

 

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/08/25/...n-by-nine-diff/

[The Robfather 0]

Star Wars/NFL predictions for the season. Good for a couple of laughs.

 

http://18to88.com/Articles/starwars2007.htm

[dh86 0]

scary how bad GMs are able to keep their job

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=2991944

 

Even though rookie quarterback Brady Quinn has had a solid preseason, Browns general manager Phil Savage said Saturday night that the Notre Dame product likely won't be leading the Cleveland offense in their opener on Sept. 9.

Brady Quinn #10

 

G. Newman Lowrance/Getty Images

 

Brady Quinn is a combined 20-of-31 for 236 yards with three TDs and no interceptions in two preseason games.

 

"It's unrealistic for Brady to be in the mix for the opener," Savage told the News-Herald of northeast Ohio after the first quarter of Saturday night's preseason win over the Broncos.

[Guest Soriano's Torn Quad]

What's the big deal? Oodles of rookie quarterbacks stay on the bench at first. We're not dealing with a once-in-a-lifetime talent here, just some jerk from Catholic school. Even if he impresses the team in meaningless games, that's not a free pass to take over at starting quarterback in his first season.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Also, Quinn isn't starting in those games, so he's not exactly playing top notch defenses while racking up those numbers. And, there's a reason he's not- he got on Romeo Crennel's bad side with the holdout and he's missed way too much time to be even considered for the top spot right now.

[Boon 0]

Asante Samuel reported to Patriots camp today.

[KingPK 0]

That reminds me: Has JaMarcus Russell signed with Oakland yet?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

No. There's talk he might end up sitting out the year and getting re-drafted. I don't think it'll get that far though.

[Guest Vitamin X]

If Culpepper is in good enough shape, maybe they won't need Russell.

 

Man, that would suck to be him.

[Failed Bridge 0]

Star Wars/NFL predictions for the season. Good for a couple of laughs.

 

http://18to88.com/Articles/starwars2007.htm

awesome, especially the Bears one.

 

Phil Savage is not a bad GM

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

No. There's talk he might end up sitting out the year and getting re-drafted. I don't think it'll get that far though.

 

 

They should have just drafted Brady Quinn.

[Art Sandusky 0]

The Star Wars link ruled, with only the Packers' record being off. 6-10, and the same record as DETROIT? Whatever. Besides, Yoda whooped ass on everyone better than 6-10. Did you see him impale that soldier with a lightsaber? Shit's gangsta. We can take a one-armed team.

[Guest Soriano's Torn Quad]

Lance Briggs crashed his $300,000 sports car on the Edens Expressway at 3 a.m. and left the scene of the accident. Generally, it only makes sense to get out of your car and walk away when it's rush hour on the Edens, so I'm guessing his judgment was impaired. It's a little late to ascertain that, so lucky Lance, but Lovie's gonna be pissed, and he should be. I don't know what kind of punishment he'll get, though.

[Guest Vitamin X]

The Star Wars link ruled, with only the Packers' record being off. 6-10, and the same record as DETROIT? Whatever. Besides, Yoda whooped ass on everyone better than 6-10. Did you see him impale that soldier with a lightsaber? Shit's gangsta. We can take a one-armed team.

 

Also, Brett Favre's the only thing about the current team that's old. They're the youngest team in the NFL.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

The Star Wars link ruled, with only the Packers' record being off. 6-10, and the same record as DETROIT? Whatever. Besides, Yoda whooped ass on everyone better than 6-10. Did you see him impale that soldier with a lightsaber? Shit's gangsta. We can take a one-armed team.

 

Also, Brett Favre's the only thing about the current team that's old. They're the youngest team in the NFL.

 

Well as they have shown with the Bears comment, they generalize the entire team for one guy. Old= Favre, No arm= Grossman.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Does that make Tom Brady Emperor Palpatine.

[Vern Gagne 0]

San Fran. will be better than 6-10.

 

 

[The Niggardly King 0]

What's the big deal? Oodles of rookie quarterbacks stay on the bench at first. We're not dealing with a once-in-a-lifetime talent here, just some jerk from Catholic school. Even if he impresses the team in meaningless games, that's not a free pass to take over at starting quarterback in his first season.

 

We're dealing with the next Joe Montana here, Czech. He should be starting the opener.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Normally I don't like starting QBs right away but in this case I'll make an exception, and it has more to due with the crap in front of Quinn than his own performance in garbage time in the pre-season. I think we all know what is going to happen here. The Browns will start 0-4/0-5 then they will throw Quinn to the wolves when the team has already blown its season in the first month. If anything that will only hurt Quinn. At least if he starts opening day he will have something to play for.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

After initially claiming that Quinn should sit, I think that he understands enough of the playbook that he could conceivably go out there and do an okay job, if the playcalling don't ask too much from him. But there is ONE more preseason game. I know that the book is closed on Quinn starting Week 1, but if the Browns let him go in and play a good amount of the game (like from 2nd quarter onward), and he does extremely well, the Browns would be better served to re-evaluate their position. If he bombs, they can just go, "Well see, we were right."

[dh86 0]

I agree it is ideal for a QB to sit a year or half a season to take in the playbook and such, but sitting a player who is obviously your future at QB just to sit him is rediculous. I remember 5 years ago when we started Mike McMahon for the first two games of the season instead of Joey Harrington just to do it. Naturally, Mike played terrible and Joey took over the job anyway. Charlie Frye isnt good enough to be the Browns QB of the present nor the future, Cleveland decided not to get a proven vet this offseason so they should just cut the bullshit and start Brady.

[The Man in Blak 0]

I normally don't buy into locker room politics, but slotting your rookie QB as your week one starter after a holdout might send a poor message to your team. The Browns aren't in position to compete for anything this season, so why not wait until after Week 6 to name Quinn, let him and the team have the whole bye week to take reps, and then set him up to succeed against a lousy St. Louis pass defense in Week 8?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I agree it is ideal for a QB to sit a year or half a season to take in the playbook and such, but sitting a player who is obviously your future at QB just to sit him is rediculous. I remember 5 years ago when we started Mike McMahon for the first two games of the season instead of Joey Harrington just to do it. Naturally, Mike played terrible and Joey took over the job anyway. Charlie Frye isnt good enough to be the Browns QB of the present nor the future, Cleveland decided not to get a proven vet this offseason so they should just cut the bullshit and start Brady.

 

Look at this way. Jeff Fisher starting Kerry Collins over Vince Young last year probably cost the Titans a playoff berth.

 

You start the QB with the best chance to win. We already know that Frye & Anderson aren't going to cut it. Why not try Quinn? In the worst case scenario they lose games that they would have lost anyways.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Well, their schedule looks like this...

 

1: Home vs. Pittsburgh

2: Home vs. Cincinnati

3: Away vs. Oakland

4: Home vs. Baltimore

5: Away vs. New England

 

That's a really tough stretch and regardless if they would go 0-5 anyway, Brady could get killed by those defenses. Is it worth having him get roughed up and potentially injured just to throw him into the fire for a 6-10/7-9 season at best anyway?

 

If I were the Browns, I'd let Quinn sit until Week 6 when he faces Miami. He then has a bye for 7 and has a stretch where he faces teams like St. Louis, Houston, Arizona, and Buffalo while still getting a taste of tough D's like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Cincinnati.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Baltimore and New England in back to back weeks? I'm starting to see your point now. Schedule aside though, I still think he should start.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I'm usually against starting rookie QBs in the first year, but this might be one of those exceptions. Quinn is the best starting quarterback that the Browns have right now so there isn't any real reason to keep him on the bench. You don't start a season with the intention of being bad. You have to start the players that give you the best chance to win. Quinn started three years at Notre Dame playing a pro style offense. His learning curve is not as steep as most young QBs (like say for instance, Jamarcus Russell).

 

Of course, you don't want to get the kid to get shell-shocked, but he seems like the kind of confident, cocky type that won't fall apart with a few bad performances.