College student tasered at Kerry speech.

[Ripper 0]

Yes, they had him on the ground and it was very unlikely that at that point further he was going to pose a threat to the police force. He told the cops that he would walk out if they got off him.

 

He wouldn't put his hands behind his back to get cuffed. They tased him, then cuffed him. That is pretty much what you do. You used to put a knee in the back of their neck and give punches or shots with a batton to the ribs until they move their arm back there. You have to be kidding me with the "he told the cops that he would walk out if they got off him". So the fuck what? He was under arrest at that point. There is no "I will walk out". No, you will put you fucking hands behind your back and get handcuffed because that is what they told your ass to do.

 

He was resisting arrest because he thought it was totally unfounded. You and I would've done the same thing. Was he kicking and flailing so much so that four cops couldn't contain him? Hell no. Watch the video, that one black guy could've carried him out and did (halfway at least).

 

I am pretty sure that is why everyone resist arrest. No, you and I wouldn't have done the same thing, because when the people that can put me in jail and have guns and pepper spray on their side tell you to get on the fucking ground, you do so and explain the unfoundedness of it later.

 

And why do people keep saying "The cops could have contained him". Why are they supposed to even risk the chance that some asshole might punch, bite, kick or gouge out the eye of someone, even one of them trying to arrest him? Police officers do not need to take unncessary risk because some asshole feels he has the right to physically resist arrest because he thinks it is unfounded. The personal saftey of the officers involved is more important than the fucker breaking the law. Fuck him.

 

And why exactly did the black cop only get him halfway out? Because he started pushing them again. Once again, fuck that guy.

 

They should've just removed him from the building and barred him from entering again. No one is justifing him grabbing the mic and everything, but I don't see how this makes him any more viable of a candidate for electrical shock.

 

They didn't tase him for grabbing the mic. They tased him for not putting his hands behind his back. THey were escorting him out the building and he became Pushy McResist arrest. They asked him to put his hands behind his back numerous times, he kept saying no. They tried to take him out, he shoved the cops. What the fuck do you want them to do? Say "Oh, we were going to just escort you out but since you started pushing the cops, we better do what you say."

 

Once again. Fuck him.

 

They didn't give a fuck about grabbing the mic. He was interrupting the forum thus was being escorted out. Everything that happens after that was his fault.

 

If any type of punishment happens to those Cops it would be pure bullshit.

 

[snuffbox 0]

Can we tase Brookers?

 

Judging by this thread's overwhelming goobers, we are allowed to tase anyone we disagree with or find douchebag-ish. That's Brookers!

[Ripper 0]

Oh, by the way, anyone defending this guy is doing it because he is white.

 

I have officially decided to start saying that anytime anyone white defends a white person.

 

 

[Guest]

I talked to my high school government teacher that was the police chief of Montclair about this, when I saw him the other day. It's standard procedure.

 

When the police tell you to go, you've gotta go.

[NoCalMike 0]

Oh, by the way, anyone defending this guy is doing it because he is white.

 

I have officially decided to start saying that anytime anyone white defends a white person.

 

[Jonathon 0]

I talked to my high school government teacher that was the police chief of Montclair about this, when I saw him the other day. It's standard procedure.

 

When the police tell you to go, you've gotta go.

 

 

Thank you.

[cbacon 0]

Police brutality is standard procedure, eh?

 

I think it's pretty chilling to watch the police assault somebody (for asking the Senator an embarrassing question) and an entire auditorium of people basically just sit and watch. The shit these fascist goons get away with just blows me away.

 

Someone on youtube posted these supreme court rulings:

 

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260

 

"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306."

 

One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

 

In the video the cop says he's being arrested for "inciting a riot," not public disturbance or assaulting an officer or anything. Since he was plainly not inciting a riot, that's unlawful arrest and he's within his rights to resist and anyone else is within their rights to assist him. You do not have to defer to the cops' authority if their actions are unlawful. Also, does anyone think he'd have been tazed if the guy on stage was some nobody? Would the cops have even been carrying tazers? They were acting in the service of power.

[snuffbox 0]

Oh, by the way, anyone defending this guy is doing it because he is white.

 

I have officially decided to start saying that anytime anyone white defends a white person.

 

Ok, now that's sarcasm.

[Scroby 0]

I think it's pretty chilling to watch the police assault somebody (for asking the Senator an embarrassing question) and an entire auditorium of people basically just sit and watch. The shit these fascist goons get away with just blows me away.

He didn't get tazered while standing at the mic, he got tazered after he had to be forced to the ground and was still struggling to get free from the cops. The guy was told to leave by whoever and told them no, he was told again and still said no. He was then going to be taken out of the building by the cops or secuirty guards, I'm not to sure what kind of enforcement they were, and he tried to fight them off.

 

If the idiot just complyed with what he was told to do and wasn't acting like a retard, everything would have been fine, but instead he acted like a jackass, got asked to leave because of the way he was acting, refused, refused again when the cops tried to get him out of the building, he didn't comply with what they wanted him to do like he should have, and they got fed up with it and tazered him to make things easier. The same thing happens to other people who act like jackasses when it comes to being asked to leave and/or refusing not to comply if someone in law enforcement tells you to do something.

[Jingus 0]

bullshit

It wasn't an unlawful arrest.

 

1. The guy lied on the way into the building to evade the screening process for all the questions.

 

2. He apparently jumped up, ran down the aisle, and literally grabbed a microphone out of someone else's hands. Legally speaking, that's assault and theft right there.

 

3. Even after Kerry unwisely answered the dude's first question, he refused to yield the floor. When they cut his mic, he started screaming. Public disturbance. The police had every right and duty to detain and remove him at this point.

 

4. When the police tried to escort him out, he started resisting. You DO NOT RESIST ARREST. Those cases you quoted (which I've never heard of before, how old are they?) are all fine and good in theory, but in the real world if someone resists arrest the police are legally obligated to consider their own safety first and the suspect's as secondary.

 

5. He started shoving the cops around. That's assault on an officer, and it's a serious felony. Technically speaking they could've shot the guy at that point, and quite easily been exonerated for it later.

 

6. The dude continued resisting in an aggressive manner. This is what invalidates the "they should've just taken him outside" argument, because at that point it's standard police policy to subdue the offender into submission, it takes priority over other considerations.

 

7. Even after they had him on the ground, he STILL kept struggling and disobeying the orders he was being given. Yes, it IS a crime to not peacefully let the officer put the cuffs around your wrists.

 

8. Even after THAT, they didn't just tase him outta nowhere. They still gave him a verbal warning that they'd employ the taser if he didn't stop resisting. They told him that plain as day. If a cop says "Stop or I'll shoot", if you don't stop, what follows is YOUR fault, not the police's. That's the law, period.

 

9. As for the inciting a riot charge, yeah, that's bullshit since it's clear he was just a lone nut. But the fact that the police said that he's being arrested for inciting a riot is immaterial. It does not, as you claim, constitute an illegal arrest. Cops can say whatever the hell they want during an arrest, as long as they get the Miranda rights in there. A cop can grab a purse-snatcher and say he's arresting him for being a terrorist, it doesn't matter. Only the actual charges that are officially filed on paper are what count.

 

 

So, was using a taser necessary? Maybe, maybe not. But it wasn't illegal.

[Ripper 0]

Actually, when being arrested, screaming for people to stop the police officers from arresting you does count as inciting a riot. Because, you know, if someone does help...that would pretty much mean you have to attack the police officers.

[Kinetic 0]

Also, does anyone think he'd have been tazed if the guy on stage was some nobody? Would the cops have even been carrying tazers? They were acting in the service of power.

 

Come to think of it, there weren't any taser-wielding police officers in any of my community college public speaking courses. I could have been heckled!

 

 

[Guest Gym Class Fallout]

I missed Kinetic.

[theintensifier 0]

I'm wondering what voltage the taser was packing. The "Police" that were escorting him, appeared to be campus security. I highly doubt they'd be carrying the kind of tasers the Police and military use.

 

All Police and military organizations use a force continuum. Most security organizations do as well. He was struggling and resisting, they could have used more force than what they did. The blast from the taser only resulted in a cry of pain, not like the unconsciousness he would have had from a stronger taser. He would have also received a second, to third degree burn.

 

I agree, to an extent, that Police and military personnel should handle every threat, as a serious one. There is no room for error. Imagine if the college student had an explosive device attached to his body, and blew up everyone in the room, and the nearby rooms. The people responsible for allowing that to happen would come under major scrutiny. Replace bomb with gun, or knife, etcetera. They’d be labeled as unprofessional officers of the law, and security guards.

 

It’s hard to determine if they did use excessive force. They certainly could have handled the situation far worse (as in having their guns drawn, using pepper spray, physically assaulting (striking), or using throws or severe joint manipulations) but as far as it stands, from what I’ve seen, they handled the situation like they’ve been trained to do.

 

As a personal preference, I’d rather get tazered in the back with the kind of tasers they were using, then getting unprotected shots to the back of the head/neck. But, that’s irrelevant.

 

There is one thing I’m curious about. How exactly did he get into the room unscreened, and then get to an open microphone before the security and Police noticed? They’re supposed to be protecting a Senator. Someone should be getting a hefty reprimand.

[Guest]

The shit these fascist goons get away with just blows me away.

John Kerry and the University of Florida campus security. The greatest fascists in the history of the Western Hemisphere. The guy escorting the kid out must be a nigger too.

[Guest]

I may have crossed the line with that last statement. If I did, I'm sorry. It wasn't meant to offend anyone other than the fascists, and 'sides, that dumbass canuck might as well have said he hates black and brown people, after all, there was a black cop and a brown cop escorting the guy out.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I defend the cops.

 

Anytime a black person has to taze a white guy, it's probably for something reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally bad. He must have fucked up large.

[At Home 0]

bullshit

It wasn't an unlawful arrest.

 

1. The guy lied on the way into the building to evade the screening process for all the questions.

 

2. He apparently jumped up, ran down the aisle, and literally grabbed a microphone out of someone else's hands. Legally speaking, that's assault and theft right there.

 

4. When the police tried to escort him out, he started resisting. You DO NOT RESIST ARREST. Those cases you quoted (which I've never heard of before, how old are they?) are all fine and good in theory, but in the real world if someone resists arrest the police are legally obligated to consider their own safety first and the suspect's as secondary.

 

5. He started shoving the cops around. That's assault on an officer, and it's a serious felony. Technically speaking they could've shot the guy at that point, and quite easily been exonerated for it later.

 

8. Even after THAT, they didn't just tase him outta nowhere. They still gave him a verbal warning that they'd employ the taser if he didn't stop resisting. They told him that plain as day. If a cop says "Stop or I'll shoot", if you don't stop, what follows is YOUR fault, not the police's. That's the law, period.

 

 

So, was using a taser necessary? Maybe, maybe not. But it wasn't illegal.

 

1. Is this a punishable offense?

 

2. That's not theft, legally speaking, as it was not the person's property, and hardly justifiable as assault. You could prosecute, but the case would be thrown out immediately, and it's highly unlikely as a civil lawsuit the assaulted would press charges. HIGHLY.

 

4. lol

 

5. Technically speaking, no they couldn't of, because they would've been massacred in the public forum, forced to resign, tried in a civil court and possibly criminal court, and actually have to pay for their actions. If the cops shot him that is, even still in court needing to prove that the situation had escalated past the point where peaceful and standard procedures had been exhausted and were no longer a viable means of subduing the subject.

 

8. In the video one of the cops says "tase him" after he delayed getting handcuffs. It was clear that before he was not struggling phsyically (only verbally) in the seconds before he got shocked. His body was on the floor, not moving. Again, he said "if you get off me, i'll walk out of here." He was not resisting arrest at the time of the shock.

 

 

There was no probable cause that the student had a weapon on him.

 

 

[Ripper 0]

Why is number 4 a "lol"? Its laughable that you shouldn't shove cops?

 

And I don't know what you are listening to, but that female cop told him like 10 times "Sir, stop resisting. Put your hands behind your back." Then he was CLEARLY told that if he didn't put his hands behind his back he would be tased. His response was not putting his hands behind his back but still resisting and asking them not to tase him.

[Jingus 0]

Plus, when the cops are arresting you, you don't have the right to be allowed to just get up and walk out, no matter how nicely you ask.

 

lol

To echo Ripper, yeah, what the fuck is worth l'ing about with discussing the factual laws on the books and how they relate to police safety?

[Gary Floyd 0]

Ever since I put C-Bacon on ignore, I've been able to enjoy the CE folder more.

 

Oh, by the way, anyone defending this guy is doing it because he is white.

 

I have officially decided to start saying that anytime anyone white defends a white person.

Ripper is really becoming one of my favorite posters.

[snuffbox 0]

Ever since I put C-Bacon on ignore, I've been able to enjoy the CE folder more.

 

What is that, the 500th time you've said that?

[Gary Floyd 0]

Ever since I put C-Bacon on ignore, I've been able to enjoy the CE folder more.

 

What is that, the 500th time you've said that?

Probably.

 

Anyways, not suprisingly, it's now a YTMND fad. Too bad none of them are funny.

[EricMM 0]

The lessson here is, if you're under arrest, go and get arreested. Don't try to beg off, don't go prone. Help the cops arrest you.

 

Is that it?

 

That implies a huge amount of trust in the po-po.

[Guest]

The lesson is....start complaining after they escort you out of the building. Or, don't push and shove the police when you're outnumbered 6 to 1.

 

The guy deserved what he got.

[Ripper 0]

The lessson here is, if you're under arrest, go and get arreested. Don't try to beg off, don't go prone. Help the cops arrest you.

 

Is that it?

 

That implies a huge amount of trust in the po-po.

 

 

Goddammit.

 

He was under arrest because he started pushing the cops. If he had been just escourted out that would have been the end of it.

 

Once again, you guys are in here supporting the guy that shoved cops repeatedly.

 

And whats funny, in the thread that Smues and I was talking about, most of the people were saying it was okay to tase the woman who hadn't touched anyone. Then she got tased again while she was on the ground from the first tasing. But that was okay. But if you are some dorky asshole how pushes and shoves cops, that taser is a no no.

 

 

 

...

 

 

Oh yeah....its because you guys will support anyone white no matter how obviously wrong they are.

 

 

 

[EricMM 0]

I'm not entirely against the guy getting tased.

 

But not entirely for the abject docileness you have to show to cops.

[Ripper 0]

You don't HAVE to show it. You can get tased into docileness if you choose.

 

Come on Eric, if he had just walked out with them when they initally tried to take him out, then nothing would have been done. He decided to be Flaily McPusherson and thats why he got tased.

 

 

[LaParkaMarka 0]

I like how Ripper has called him both Pushy McResist-arrest and Flaily McPusherson. I hope this thread keeps going just for more McNicknames for this guy.

[cbacon 0]

Ever since I put C-Bacon on ignore, I've been able to enjoy the CE folder more.

 

Guy, I haven't posted here in months.

 

Also fairly certain you read my posts anyways