Guest RyechnaiaSobaka Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Did Mike & The Mad Dog mention if any current Mets were on the list? I'm sure a bunch of former Mets will be on it, I'm just curious if I'm gonna end up finding out that Reyes or Wright was juicing which would just about end any semblance of my rooting for that organization. Mike said the NY teams are not going to be happy. Oh yeah? Well, if we're doing an informal steroid pool, I'm picking Carlos Beltran. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Ryan Church Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Open the Muggy Gate 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Jason Giambi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzy Dunlop 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Here's the list of all the players who used steroids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RyechnaiaSobaka Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Here's the list of all the players who used steroids. You are a liar. Joe Kennedy is on that list, God rest his soul, and he never did steroids or talked back to his parents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzy Dunlop 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 He'll B) sign with the Cardinals and become a .900 OPS outfielder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Real interesting trade there. I surmise that puts Luke Scott in left field, Mike Costanzo to AAA Norfolk for a season and the three pitchers into the Spring Training competition. I'll have to take a look later and get an idea of where they rank in the Orioles system. I imagine Tejada moves to third base in Houston, but that's iffy yet. Houston suddenly has seven infielders (Tejada, Everett, Matsui, Burke, Wigginton, Loretta and Lance Berkman). Luke Scott will be better all around in LF than the combination of Jay Payton (who goes back to being a platoon player at best where he belongs), Jay Gibbons (who shouldnt even be on the 2008 roster but will be cause no one's stupid enough to take him now), Freddie Bynum (hes fast ya know), Tike Redman (resigned to a 1 year deal, could be in the running for CF job), Brandon Fahey (?), John Knott (?), Scott Moore (who'll be the 3B once Mora is dealt) and Luis Hernandez (probably the new starting SS unless more deals are made), all of which played some LF last year. Consistency in LF with Scott and RF with Markakis make me feel really good about the OF even with the ? at CF. Costanzo made 34 errors at 3B last year and 25 the year before, but he's got a good enough bat that He'll more than likely get moved to play 1B and could probably make a run at starting there in 2009 given the total lack of depth at 1b in the Os organization. Patton is the one Im most eager about as he's projected as a #2 starter in the vein of a Maddux or Halladay with really good command of his pitches and pretty good strikeout numbers, and hes only 22. He'll easily make the starting rotation in 08 no matter what Bedard does. The other 2 pitchers are projected as bullpen filler, and honestly they couldnt be any worse than the guys that were in the bullpen this year. Overall, I think they probably could have done better but Im satisfied with the deal, especially if Patton pans out. Current Projected lineup looks like - 2B - Roberts 3B - Mora RF - Markakis DH - Huff LF - Scott 1B - Millar C - R.Hernandez CF - Redman/??? SS - L.Hernandez Bedard Guthrie Cabrera Loewen Patton Now we're just waiting for the other shoe (Bedard trade) to drop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest My Pal, the Tortoise Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Freddie Bynum still has a job in the major leagues, huh. Simply stunning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Real interesting trade there. I surmise that puts Luke Scott in left field, Mike Costanzo to AAA Norfolk for a season and the three pitchers into the Spring Training competition. I'll have to take a look later and get an idea of where they rank in the Orioles system. I imagine Tejada moves to third base in Houston, but that's iffy yet. Houston suddenly has seven infielders (Tejada, Everett, Matsui, Burke, Wigginton, Loretta and Lance Berkman). Luke Scott will be better all around in LF than the combination of Jay Payton (who goes back to being a platoon player at best where he belongs), Jay Gibbons (who shouldnt even be on the 2008 roster but will be cause no one's stupid enough to take him now), Freddie Bynum (hes fast ya know), Tike Redman (resigned to a 1 year deal, could be in the running for CF job), Brandon Fahey (?), John Knott (?), Scott Moore (who'll be the 3B once Mora is dealt) and Luis Hernandez (probably the new starting SS unless more deals are made), all of which played some LF last year. Consistency in LF with Scott and RF with Markakis make me feel really good about the OF even with the ? at CF. Costanzo made 34 errors at 3B last year and 25 the year before, but he's got a good enough bat that He'll more than likely get moved to play 1B and could probably make a run at starting there in 2009 given the total lack of depth at 1b in the Os organization. Patton is the one Im most eager about as he's projected as a #2 starter in the vein of a Maddux or Halladay with really good command of his pitches and pretty good strikeout numbers, and hes only 22. He'll easily make the starting rotation in 08 no matter what Bedard does. The other 2 pitchers are projected as bullpen filler, and honestly they couldnt be any worse than the guys that were in the bullpen this year. Overall, I think they probably could have done better but Im satisfied with the deal, especially if Patton pans out. Current Projected lineup looks like - 2B - Roberts 3B - Mora RF - Markakis DH - Huff LF - Scott 1B - Millar C - R.Hernandez CF - Redman/??? SS - L.Hernandez Bedard Guthrie Cabrera Loewen Patton Now we're just waiting for the other shoe (Bedard trade) to drop. Wow, what a team. I bet they don't even look good in HD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Today is the day. I can't wait for the list of names. I love baseball above and far beyond any other sport...and I'm really hoping that my favortie players aren't in there. So...I go to sleep now hoping that I wake up without Vlad, Jeter or Ichiro on that list. I don't really now what it would feel like for a hero to let you down. And I hope tomorrow I can say the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzy Dunlop 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Would you really feel let down? Seriously? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzy Dunlop 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 I don't really now what it would feel like for a hero to let you down. One time Spider-Man was fighting his most successful clone, Ben Reilly, and Mary-Jane tried to break it up, and Spider-Man ended up throwing her into a wall across the room. I was like "oh, dude, Spidey, no!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Celtic Guardian 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Today is the day. I don't really now what it would feel like for a hero to let you down. And I hope tomorrow I can say the same. Let's hope... Today's timeline (all times EST), courtesy Sports Network: Mitchell Report release & press conference: 2 p.m. Selig press conference: 4:30 p.m. Players' association press conference: 6 p.m. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 It'll just be funny to see if there's any unobvious players like Craig Counsell or So Taguchi end up on the list, so people can say "They should demand a refund" ad nauseum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 I'm sort of glad I'll miss the circus being at work. People are getting way too worked up over all of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boon 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Can we have a thread just for the Mitchell report- keep this one at least somewhat sane? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Can we have a thread just for the Mitchell report- keep this one at least somewhat sane? Yes. Feel free to start a new one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RyechnaiaSobaka Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Blue Jays are "on the verge" of signing David Eckstein. Hard to believe that Eckstein, who sucks, is an offensive upgrade, but it's true since the Jays insist on starting John McDonald. I'd save the money and just start Marco Scutaro to tell you the truth, or deal one of those young pitchers with decent upside to the Rockies for Clint Barmes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Today is the day. I can't wait for the list of names. I love baseball above and far beyond any other sport...and I'm really hoping that my favortie players aren't in there. So...I go to sleep now hoping that I wake up without Vlad, Jeter or Ichiro on that list. I don't really now what it would feel like for a hero to let you down. And I hope tomorrow I can say the same. Oh wow...tad melodramatic, aren't we? I would just love to see Derek Jeter on the list. He won't be but it'd be an early Christmas present for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Today is the day. I can't wait for the list of names. I love baseball above and far beyond any other sport...and I'm really hoping that my favortie players aren't in there. So...I go to sleep now hoping that I wake up without Vlad, Jeter or Ichiro on that list. I don't really now what it would feel like for a hero to let you down. And I hope tomorrow I can say the same. This reminded me of that post after Alex Rodriguez hit his 500th homer, about how "we're so lucky to have him and see all these moments" with a bunch of A-Rod pictures in the same post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Blue Jays are "on the verge" of signing David Eckstein. Hard to believe that Eckstein, who sucks, is an offensive upgrade, but it's true since the Jays insist on starting John McDonald. I'd save the money and just start Marco Scutaro to tell you the truth, or deal one of those young pitchers with decent upside to the Rockies for Clint Barmes. Clint Barmes? He's worse at the plate than McDonald. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 You know, what is this nonsense that Eckstein sucks while I am thinking about it. Yes, he is overrated for his scrappiness. But you have a shortstop with OBPs of .363, .350 and .356 the last three seasons. Miguel Tejada's OBP over the same span is five points higher, and he just got traded for five players. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/8wtm Ignoring power? It's really unnecessary for a leadoff hitter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 Alex Rodriguez finalizes his contract with the Yankees. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153171 The incentives for breaking the various home run records are pretty interesting - up to an additional $30 million for setting the all time record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 You know, what is this nonsense that Eckstein sucks while I am thinking about it. Yes, he is overrated for his scrappiness. But you have a shortstop with OBPs of .363, .350 and .356 the last three seasons. Miguel Tejada's OBP over the same span is five points higher, and he just got traded for five players. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/8wtm Ignoring power? It's really unnecessary for a leadoff hitter. It's a running joke at Fire Joe Morgan. It's funny, but everyone parroted it until it took on a life of it's own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RyechnaiaSobaka Report post Posted December 14, 2007 You don't think a shortstop who has to put every ounce of strength in his body into basic throws in order to get them to first base on time sucks? Have you seen David Eckstein throw to first? It's like it's in slow motion. I believe shortstops who struggle to get the ball to first base suck and should play second base or not at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2007 Eckstein will be playing somewhere else by July. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2007 One year deal for Eckstein, that's really not bad at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2007 Adam Everett signed a 1-yr., $4.5 million deal with the Twins only 12-hours after being non-tendered by the 'Stros. Adam Everett is (was?) obviously the best defensive shortstop in baseball, but, if anything, going to the American League greatly decreases his chances at winning a Gold Glove. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2007 Adam Everett signed a 1-yr., $4.5 million deal with the Twins only 12-hours after being non-tendered by the 'Stros. Adam Everett is (was?) obviously the best defensive shortstop in baseball, but, if anything, going to the American League greatly decreases his chances at winning a Gold Glove. Why? There's no obvious front-runner and if he plays a full year, he's the top choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2007 Adam Everett signed a 1-yr., $4.5 million deal with the Twins only 12-hours after being non-tendered by the 'Stros. Adam Everett is (was?) obviously the best defensive shortstop in baseball, but, if anything, going to the American League greatly decreases his chances at winning a Gold Glove. Why? There's no obvious front-runner and if he plays a full year, he's the top choice. Edit: Obviously I'm talking about Jeter...not Marlon Anderson (Is that Marlon Anderson?). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
