Precious Roy Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 Good for the Mets, I'm just glad he didn't end up in Boston and the Yankees didn't give in and sell the farm for him
RepoMan Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 I'm estatic with this deal as a fan or the Twins AAA Rochester Red Wings and that neither the Yanks or Sox got Santana.
Steve J. Rogers Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 Mets fans will still find things to bitch about even though it looks like they've fleeced the Twins. I kid you not, on one board a poster is very upset about trading Mulvey and is extremely worried that Santana will turn into Bartolo Colon, or worse, what happened to Frank Viola where he was essentially done after 1991 while two of the guys he was traded for (Kevin Tapani and Rick Augliera) went on to have productive major league careers.
Smartly Pretty Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 Without even giving up Fernando Martinez!!!! I'm so happy right now. So, so, so happy. I hadn't been satisfied with ANYTHING the mets had done this offseason, but now, wow. No other real emotion to speak of. Just a ridiculous level of happieness. I saw Humber pitch in Spring Training last year and he got rocked for 6 runs (5 earned), and I haven't really been a fan since. I've never liked Gomez, and maybe this is a dumb thing to say but he doesn't appear to have the right build. He looks kinda...scrawny. Really happy. Really, really, ridiculously happy.
devo Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 Without even giving up Fernando Martinez!!!! Best part of the whole thing. Maybe it's a little too optimistic, but I can just see him as the second coming of Carlos Beltran.
strummer Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 Great job my Minaya to get the deal done without giving up Martinez. I've only seen Humber pitch a few times and I don't like his stuff at all. He could develop but I just don't see it. Carlos Gomez has zero plate discipline but the raw skills are there. I could see him putting up a .290/.340/.450 line in a few years Mulvey and Guerra could be solid back of the rotation starters I just hope that Rick Peterson doesn't get his 'Don't throw a strike until you absolutely have to" philosophy in the mind of Santana (look how well that worked out in Sept. when teams started to realize the deal)
naiwf Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 I don't know what more you could do to the team to make sure they win the pennant. Nothing is guaranteed, but they look like the top team right now. They looked like the best team in 2006, but lost to a team a few games over .500 and last year's epic collapse makes me cautious about winning the pennant.
Mike wanna be Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 I don't know what more you could do to the team to make sure they win the pennant. Nothing is guaranteed, but they look like the top team right now. They looked like the best team in 2006, but lost to a team a few games over .500 and last year's epic collapse makes me cautious about winning the pennant. But both of those losses can be pointed directly onto the pitching staff, and Santana immediately shores that up. Martinez/Santana/Maine would be like death row in the postseason. They snag one more consistent bullpen arm between then and now and they've got a great shot to make it to the big dance in October/November.
MarvinisaLunatic Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 Adam Jones might have a degenerative hip which is why PA apparently nixed the deal. Albert Belle says hello! I guess the first thing the Os check in their physicals is the hip.
geniusMoment Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 I wonder if this will cause some friction between BFF Clemens and Andy. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22903086/
naiwf Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 I don't know what more you could do to the team to make sure they win the pennant. Nothing is guaranteed, but they look like the top team right now. They looked like the best team in 2006, but lost to a team a few games over .500 and last year's epic collapse makes me cautious about winning the pennant. But both of those losses can be pointed directly onto the pitching staff, and Santana immediately shores that up. Martinez/Santana/Maine would be like death row in the postseason. They snag one more consistent bullpen arm between then and now and they've got a great shot to make it to the big dance in October/November. I know, but with Pedro and El Duque you never when they'll get hurt and someone like Pelfrey has to put in 10 or 15 important starts he's not yet prepared to make. I'm still not sold on Heilman/Wagner in the 8th and 9th innings in the postseason either. With Santana this looks like our team with the best chance to win the World Series since the '80s but we have to actually get there first. I knew the 2000 team was going to get crushed by the Yankees and I don't think the 2006 team would have beaten the Tigers, but I also didn't think the Tigers would completely forget how to throw the ball to first base and essentially serve up the trophy on a silver platter. I guess what I'm saying is that the first 135 games or so of next year won't really give me an idea if the team is actually going to live up to their potential on paper. They've looked like world beaters from April to September 1st the last couple of years and that really hasn't amounted to anything yet.
NYU Posted January 31, 2008 Report Posted January 31, 2008 With ESPN.com claiming that the Mets and Santana aren't even close to an agreed extension yet, my blood pressure is going to be skyrocketing until tomorrow. When you're this close to acquiring the best pitcher in the game, you give him whatever he wants. Six years? Sure. 20 million? No problem. Minaya's first-born son? You got it.
bob_barron Posted January 31, 2008 Report Posted January 31, 2008 I haven't been following the Santana thing too closely, but why did the Twins want to trade Santana to begin with?
NYU Posted January 31, 2008 Report Posted January 31, 2008 He becomes a free agent at the end of the season. They could either trade him now and get back some talent in return, or hold onto him for a season in which they have no shot of making the playoffs anyway and then lose him to free agency without getting anything back. He also implied he would invoke his no-trade clause all throughout the 2008 season if they didn't trade him before spring training. Common sense tells me this is typically how negotiations go, and no way would Minaya let an opportunity like this pass him up, no matter the cost. But as someone who has seen the Mets front office fumble things before....well, I'm cautious.
Brett Favre Posted January 31, 2008 Report Posted January 31, 2008 Morgan Ensberg signed with the Yankees.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Baseball Prospectus' Top 100 Prospects - 2008 1. Jay Bruce, of, Reds 2. Clay Buchholz, rhp, Red Sox 3. Evan Longoria, 3b, Rays 4. Joba Chamberlain, rhp, Yankees 5. Clayton Kershaw, lhp, Dodgers 6. David Price, lhp, Rays 7. Travis Snider, of, Blue Jays 8. Colby Rasmus, of, Cardinals 9. Homer Bailey, rhp, Reds 10. Cameron Maybin, of, Marlins 11. Rick Porcello, rhp, Tigers 12. Matt Wieters, c, Orioles 13. Franklin Morales, lhp, Rockies 14. Andy LaRoche, 3b, Dodgers 15. Wade Davis, rhp, Rays 16. Jacoby Ellsbury, of, Red Sox 17. Jordan Schafer, of, Braves 18. Desmond Jennings, of, Rays 19. Mike Moustakas, ss, Royals 20. Jarrod Parker, rhp, Diamondbacks 21. Joey Votto, 1b, Reds 22. Daric Barton, 1b, Athletics 23. Chase Headley, 3b, Padres 24. Andrew McCutchen, of, Pirates 25. Reid Brignac, ss, Rays 26. Carlos Gonzalez, of, Athletics 27. Nick Adenhart, rhp, Angels 28. Chris Marrero, of/1b, Nationals 29. Angel Villalona, 3b, Giants 30. Neftali Feliz, rhp, Rangers 31. Matt LaPorta, of, Brewers 32. Chin-Lung Hu, ss, Dodgers 33. Jeff Clement, c, Mariners 34. Ian Kennedy, rhp, Yankees 35. Ross Detwiler, lhp, Nationals 36. Jason Heyward, of, Braves 37. Geovany Soto, c, Cubs 38. Brandon Wood, 3b/ss, Angels 39. Matt Antonelli, 2b, Padres 40. Jacob McGee, lhp, Devil Rays 41. Johnny Cueto, rhp, Reds 42. Manny Parra, lhp, Brewers 43. Steven Pearce, 1b, Pirates 44. Chris Tillman, rhp, Mariners 45. Josh Vitters, 3b, Cubs 46. Fautino de los Santos, rhp, Athletics 47. Austin Jackson, of, Yankees 48. Jose Tabata, of, Yankees 49. Eric Hurley, rhp, Rangers 50. Brett Anderson, lhp, Athletics 51. Fernando Martinez, of, Mets 52. Adam Miller, rhp, Indians 53. Justin Masterson, rhp, Red Sox 54. J.R. Towles, c, Astros 55. Carlos Triunfel, ss, Mariners 56. Gio Gonzalez, lhp, Athletics 57. Jed Lowrie, ss, Red Sox 58. Elvis Andrus, ss, Rangers 59. Jordan Walden, rhp, Angels 60. Ryan Kalish, of, Red Sox 61. Matt Latos, rhp, Padres 62. Engel Beltre, of, Rangers 63. Brent Lillibridge, ss, Braves 64. Gerardo Parra, of, Diamondbacks 65. Carlos Gomez, of, Twins 66. Scott Elbert, lhp, Dodgers 67. Alan Horne, rhp, Yankees 68. Carlos Carrasco, rhp, Phillies 69. Chris Perez, rhp, Cardinals 70. Brandon Jones, of, Braves 71. Bryan Anderson, c, Cardinals 72. Luke Hochevar, rhp, Royals 73. Michael Main, rhp, Rangers 74. Chris Davis, 3b, Rangers 75. Chorye Spoone, rhp, Orioles 76. Jeremy Jeffress, rhp, Brewers 77. Taylor Teagarden, c, Rangers 78. Wes Hodges, 3b, Indians 79. Deolis Guerra, rhp, Twins 80. Chris Nelson, ss, Rockies 81. Michael Burgess, of, Nationals 82. Greg Reynolds, rhp, Rockies 83. Gorkys Hernandez, of, Braves 84. Henry Sosa, rhp, Giants 85. Radhames Liz, rhp, Orioles 86. Jair Jurrjens, rhp, Braves 87. Aaron Poreda, lhp, White Sox 88. Chris Volstad, rhp, Marlins 89. Hank Conger, c, Angels 90. Max Scherzer, rhp, Diamondbacks 91. Casey Weathers, rhp, Rockies 92. Dexter Fowler, of, Rockies 93. Wladimir Balentien, of, Mariners 94. Neil Walker, 3b, Pirates 95. Michael Bowden, rhp, Red Sox 96. Joe Savery, lhp, Phillies 97. Ben Revere, of, Twins 98. Trevor Cahill, rhp, Athletics 99. Chris Carter, 1b, Athletics 100. Lars Anderson, 1b, Red Sox
vivalaultra Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Well, it's good to see that the Astros have at least ONE prospect in the Top 100 list. It pains me to see the sucktitude that is the Astros' farm system. They nevery had the best system in baseball, but even as recent as 5-7 years ago, they were in the upper third. After Hunsicker left, the farm's gotten progressivly worse with bad draft after bad draft, Purpura trading away upper-tier prospects for players like Aubrey Huff and Jason Jennings, and the Astros' Venezuelan Academy becoming irrelevant-which is sad, especially considering it was the Academy that signed and developed Johan Santana, Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen and others. I hope that Bobby Heck can build the system back up. He did quite well in Milwaukee.
Smartly Pretty Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Keith Law says Fernando Martinez is #10, BA says he's 51. Is there a third list out there maybe I can check? 10 to 51 is kind of huge, I don't really know anything based on those two, haha.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Keith Law says Fernando Martinez is #10, BA says he's 51. Is there a third list out there maybe I can check? 10 to 51 is kind of huge, I don't really know anything based on those two, haha. That's not the BA list above, it's Baseball Prospectus. Baseball America should have their list out next week. You could also check John Sickels. It's hard to find consistency from list to list. Every scout has their own system for rating prospects and lists can vary heavily based on this. Some will rate their prospects on ceiling, while others rate it on closeness to majors and the likelihood of reaching their potential. Fernando Martinez is a very young player with a monster ceiling. The chances of him reaching that ceiling at this point are slim. How each side treats that explains the discrepancy in his rating. Outside of the top 10, these lists are a crapshoot.
geniusMoment Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Even the top 10 can be deceiving. Most Reds scouts (who have seen both Bailey and Cueto pitch from the start) think Cueto is actually the better prospect due to being a more complete pitcher with better control.
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Quick note from Alkeiper: The Caribbean World Series is being broadcast by XM Radio, Fox Sports Espaniol, and SNY in New York starting Saturday.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Red Sox sign Sean Casey to a one year, $700,000 contract. That's a good signing for a bench player. Casey gets on base, has a little pop, plays adequate defense and can hit lefties. Exactly what the team needed, although I would have preferred Brad Wilkerson.
devo Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 That's a bargain. I'm amazed he couldn't find a starting job somewhere. The days of him being The Mayor of Cincinnati seem like forever ago.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 The White Sox break out the Camouflage Posted by: Richie Rich in Padres, Uniforms, White Sox For years, some people have said that the White Sox play in a war zone. Really, people. The South Side of Chicago isn’t anything like that - it’s being quickly gentrified … especially in the area around U.S. Cellular Field. But the White Sox will look like they’re ready for combat … at least for one game this season. You see, on July 4, 2008, the White Sox will take the field against the Oakland A’s wearing camouflage jerseys. Sox’ southpaw Mark Buehrle modelled the new White Sox’ fatigues at SoxFest this past weekend. The rumor around last weekend’s SoxFest was that the camouflage uniforms were Buehrle’s idea and that he “requested” the Sox wear them as part of his contract negotiations last season. Buehrle had been pitching the idea to the White Sox’ marketing department about the idea for a few years. Man, I'd hate to be a White Sox fan. Bad GM. Bad team. Bad marketing. Ughh.
Guest Blue Man Czech Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Camouflage isn't going to save your ass in Bridgeport. However, the idea of Mark Buehrle including alternate camouflage uniforms as one of his contract demands makes me laugh my fuckin' ass off. He also asked for a club sandwich and more playing time for Aaron Gray.
devo Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Great, now I can't get the image of Mark Buehrle shoving a club sandwich into his whiskery face and going "om nom nom" out of my mind.
NYU Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 I think it's unbelievable the Mets/Santana discussions are coming down to the wire like this. According to Jayson Stark, they're supposedly close to a 6-year, $152-million deal.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 It almost seems like the Mets are going to blow this. I don't know how, but it sure seems that way. How can you get him for nothing and then turn around and not meet his contract demands?
devo Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Soooo...here's hoping they're close enough that MLB feels there's grounds to issue an extension.
naiwf Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 It almost seems like the Mets are going to blow this. I don't know how, but it sure seems that way. How can you get him for nothing and then turn around and not meet his contract demands? I guess you aren't as familiar with Freddy Coupon as the average Mets fan is. They just asked for and received a two hour extension apparently. If this deal doesn't get done someone has to get fired and the Wilpons may just unseat the Dolans as the most incompetent ownership group in NY.
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