American Pride and Nationalism

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A Communist society is supposed to feature no class divisions whatsoever, Socialism would be the closest to this any society has ever come. The name of The Bolshevik Party can be used for whatever policies they had at any particular point in time, but - in terms of actual Communism - Lenin believed that it would have to be established on an international stage after worker revolutions in many countries.

 

To clarify: Communism is the name of a political system rather than a party.

 

1. A Communist society must be worldwide or else it does not exist. Not in many countries, but in ALL countries. This is why you had such major conflicts, and thus the rise of Fascism, in Europe after WWI: the possibility of Communist uprisings in the midst of the sordid post-war conditions. Before going worldwide, there exists the PROLETARIAT DICTATORSHIP, basically a dictatorship. Much like Fascism where the dictator, king, Duce, whatever, rules on behalf of the transcendent State, the Proletariat Dictator rules on behalf of Communist doctrine.

 

2. Communism was the official name of the Bolshevik Party after Lenin changed it in like 1919 I think.

 

3. A Communist society is, yes, a classless society (<- the intensely watered down version) so therefore it has never existed. Socialism is NOT the closest any society has ever come to this. That's ludicrous. Socialism defines the classes like no one's business; i.e., workers, businessmen, etc. Fascism, in theory, has come closer to a classless society than Socialism ever has. If you read Hegel (specifically The Philosophy of the Right), it clearly defines that through the denial of individualism, classes mean nothing, and are therefore abolished. Of course, no truly fascist state has lasted longer than like 20 years. Remember, one must clearly define the boundaries between Fascists and Authoritarians and Monarchists/Tsarists/etc.

 

4. Most countries are socialist. The United States is a socialist country. By definition, if you are not Laissez Faire Capitalist, you are a socialist. Any measure that detracts from Laissez Faire Capitalism is socialist: strikes, minimum wage, union, any sort of hour restrictions. The US is a VERY socialist country.

 

5. Communism isn't technically the name of a government system. In Ultimate Communism, there is virtually no government. It's almost tribal. Hunters and gatherers were primitive Communists. They did not have any possessions, they just simply used and recycled whatever they needed without keeping it. Localized farming created capitalism through the creation of "possessions." Anyways, the main government system up until that point is the Proletariat Dictatorship, and then Ultimate Communism.

 

There are some things to remember about Karl Marx and the Communist doctrine as well.

a. Karl Marx never worked a day in his life.

b. Communism is based upon 19th century Russian agrarian and worker conflicts.

c. Communism is based upon the central philosophy that they are right and you are wrong.

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Hoff is right.

Of course.

 

You don't see me running around with a CubanLeo screenname.

"MexicanLeo" seems more appropriate...

 

Ultimate Communism

Outstanding.

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Ultimate Communism is the actual philosophical name for the state reached after all countries have progressed from a single proletariat dictatorship.

 

No joke.

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I like America for the most part, but if an Australian says something, anything negative towards the country, the typical reply is "lolz ur just a bunch of convikts, shrimp on the dingo baby", which gets on my nerves.

 

Like the English thought, "Hey, let's send some convicts down to that land and let them build farms and towns and shit."

 

Doesn't really have anything to do with the actual topic, just venting.

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Who says lolz?

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The same people who say "shrimp on the dingo baby"

 

Like the English thought, "Hey, let's send some convicts down to that land and let them build farms and towns and shit."

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Read YouTube or IMDB replies, you'll find both.

 

 

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4. Most countries are socialist. The United States is a socialist country. By definition, if you are not Laissez Faire Capitalist, you are a socialist. Any measure that detracts from Laissez Faire Capitalism is socialist: strikes, minimum wage, union, any sort of hour restrictions. The US is a VERY socialist country.

 

Then, by that definition, there are no capitalist countries in the world. We're all socialists.

 

I think a better term for what you're referring to is "mixed economy."

 

On the scale from laissez faire to socialism the US tilts further toward laissez faire than almost all other developed countries, with the possible exception of Australia (maybe).

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Also,

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I criticize my government, so it is I, not you, who is the REAL patriot

 

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4. Most countries are socialist. The United States is a socialist country. By definition, if you are not Laissez Faire Capitalist, you are a socialist. Any measure that detracts from Laissez Faire Capitalism is socialist: strikes, minimum wage, union, any sort of hour restrictions. The US is a VERY socialist country.

 

Then, by that definition, there are no capitalist countries in the world. We're all socialists.

 

I think a better term for what you're referring to is "mixed economy."

 

On the scale from laissez faire to socialism the US tilts further toward laissez faire than almost all other developed countries, with the possible exception of Australia (maybe).

 

No, the definition of socialism is to take measures against Laissez Faire capitalists. So, yes, by that definition, there are no capitalist countries. The modern definition of socialism is equated with countries like Switzerland or those other middle European cold countries. That's not incorrect, but it's also not the definition of socialism. To reiterate: socialism is to take any measures at all against Laissez Faire capitalism. Period. It's not the government controlling the economy in it's totality.

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I'll laissez your faire!

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pbone's not as smart as he probably thinks he is.

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I agree. Switzerland has a fixed tax rate for all classes I heard recently. That's pretty fucking capitalist. You hear that Americans? You're getting beat at your own game by a bunch of clock and chocolate makers.

 

Ultimate communism?

 

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I'm taking a comprehensive class in the advents of Communism and Fascism in the 20th century, so..

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Aren't you still in high school?

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Yeah. I'm graduating with 14 semesters of history, and this year i'm taking two semesters of that course taught by the hands-down best teacher in the entire school. It's way more comprehensive and informative than my Poli Sci class that I took at UC Berkeley.

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Name dropped in a nationalism thread.

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Must...crush...Capitalism...

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Go Canada.

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Yesterday when I was a little tipsy I was telling people that I was going to be a Nazi from now on. Apparently I made some really good points, but I don't really remember. I mean, I didn't black out or anything, but I can't really track the line of what I was saying. Pretty sure I brought up the Irish a lot.

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Yesterday when I was a little tipsy I was telling people that I was going to be a Nazi from now on. Apparently I made some really good points, but I don't really remember. I mean, I didn't black out or anything, but I can't really track the line of what I was saying. Pretty sure I brought up the Irish a lot.

That is possible the funniest thing you have said. Mainly for the fact that you told people why you wanted to be a nazi, and they agreed with some of the points you said. I'm assuming you were talking about the irish in a purely genocidal way.

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Love it or leave it!

 

Then why are you still here?