Worst President Ever?

[At Home]

While he is clearly incompetent, he's not stupid.

 

I don't know about that.

[Atticus Chaos]

He's not dumb. No one gets anywhere near the presidency being that stupid. He was just out his depth.

[Jingus]

If someone wants to call Bush dumb by the standards of an American President, that's okay with me. I only take issue with the santicmonious exaggerators who endlessly refer to him as a monkey and really believe that a legit retard somehow made it through Yale and got elected Governor and President twice. That just isn't possible, no matter how powerful your daddy is.

[SuperJerk]

Regarding how smart President Bush is, I'd point out that being arrogant, stubborn, and foolish aren't necessarily traits limited to those with below average intelligence.

[At Home]

Regarding how smart President Bush is, I'd point out that being arrogant, stubborn, and foolish aren't necessarily traits limited to those with below average intelligence.

 

But running a country into the ground, tallying up a multi trillion dollar debt, ruining our foreign policy, etc etc etc etc etc etc, in my mind, qualifies me to call him a pretty stupid leader.

[Atticus Chaos]

I'd say his IQ is probably in the 120s/130s.

 

Besides, his whole image is built around being anti intellectual, and painting his opponents as out of touch with the common man. He wanted to make himself look less smart, so he could pass 'the beer test'. It doesn't help that he looks almost chimp like, and fumbles his words so often.

[SuperJerk]

I'd say his IQ is probably in the 120s/130s.

That might be going a little too far.

 

Having an IQ in the 130s would make him in the top 2.1%.

 

[Big Ol' Smitty]

I would say he's probably in the top 2%...that's not THAT elite.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

Googling about, I found this website:

 

http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iq.htm

 

I really enjoy the term "profound retard" as the lowest listing on that bottom chart.

[SuperJerk]

Googling about, I found this website:

 

http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iq.htm

 

I really enjoy the term "profound retard" as the lowest listing on that bottom chart.

The Matarazzo chart, having been published in 1972, is horribly out of date. Modern educational psychology doesn't divide scores into to such narrow ranges. Particularly inaccurate considering the margin of error most I.Q. tests possess. The labels on the third chart don't seem particularly in keeping with the consensus of modern opinion, either.

[Atticus Chaos]

Regarding how smart President Bush is, I'd point out that being arrogant, stubborn, and foolish aren't necessarily traits limited to those with below average intelligence.

 

But running a country into the ground, tallying up a multi trillion dollar debt, ruining our foreign policy, etc etc etc etc etc etc, in my mind, qualifies me to call him a pretty stupid leader.

 

Bill Clinton's IQ is reportedly in the 140s. And he was still dumb enough to get caught with an intern half his age.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

Googling about, I found this website:

 

http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iq.htm

 

I really enjoy the term "profound retard" as the lowest listing on that bottom chart.

The Matarazzo chart, having been published in 1972, is horribly out of date. Modern educational psychology doesn't divide scores into to such narrow ranges. Particularly inaccurate considering the margin of error most I.Q. tests possess. The labels on the third chart don't seem particularly in keeping with the consensus of modern opinion, either.

 

So you're saying you don't teach any profound retards?

[SamoaRowe]

I think people just classify Bush as "stupid" or "retarded" because it's more comforting than accepting the possibility that he's done all of these horrible things deliberately knowing the consequences of his actions.

[RavishingRickRudo]

Regarding how smart President Bush is, I'd point out that being arrogant, stubborn, and foolish aren't necessarily traits limited to those with below average intelligence.

 

But running a country into the ground, tallying up a multi trillion dollar debt, ruining our foreign policy, etc etc etc etc etc etc, in my mind, qualifies me to call him a pretty stupid leader.

 

Bill Clinton's IQ is reportedly in the 140s. And he was still dumb enough to get caught with an intern half his age.

 

Cock > Brain.

[Lil' Bitch]

If someone wants to call Bush dumb by the standards of an American President, that's okay with me. I only take issue with the santicmonious exaggerators who endlessly refer to him as a monkey and really believe that a legit retard somehow made it through Yale and got elected Governor and President twice.

 

OMG Don't you remember?!! HE STOLE BOTH ELECTIONS!!! XOXOXOXO

[SuperJerk]

Googling about, I found this website:

 

http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iq.htm

 

I really enjoy the term "profound retard" as the lowest listing on that bottom chart.

The Matarazzo chart, having been published in 1972, is horribly out of date. Modern educational psychology doesn't divide scores into to such narrow ranges. Particularly inaccurate considering the margin of error most I.Q. tests possess. The labels on the third chart don't seem particularly in keeping with the consensus of modern opinion, either.

 

So you're saying you don't teach any profound retards?

Only on message boards.

 

[Big Ol' Smitty]

WASHINGTON (CNN) — A new poll suggests that George W. Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.

 

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush his handling his job as president.

 

"No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

 

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...modern-history/

[SuperJerk]

WASHINGTON (CNN) — A new poll suggests that George W. Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.

 

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush his handling his job as president.

 

"No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

 

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...modern-history/

I honestly think Bush is doing a better job than Richard Nixon.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I wonder what a CNN/Gallup poll would've thought of Ulysses S. Grant.

[snuffbox]

Nixon: China, efforts in Middle East, detente, ending the Vietnam War (4 years late, though), EPA, simple marijuana possession changed to misdemeanor .

 

George Bush Jr: African efforts.

 

Seriously, am I really missing anything that Bush has actually done well, or made a reasonable effort to actually do well?

 

 

[SuperJerk]

Nixon: China, efforts in Middle East, detente, ending the Vietnam War (4 years late, though), EPA, simple marijuana possession changed to misdemeanor .

 

China: Mainly did it to gain leverage against Soviets and North Vietnamese at the bargaining table.

Vietnam: Expanded war into Cambodia and secretly negotiated deal that would have renewed the war that wasn't carried out only because he resigned.

EPA: Political ploy. Haldeman was basically running domestic policy so Nixon could concentrate on foriegn affairs.

 

Plus, Bush isn't covering up the activities of a political dirty tricks squad and using campaign contributions as hush-money or ordering the justice department to not investigate civil rights crimes in order to keep the support of southern political machines.

[snuffbox]

I never said he did them because he wanted to or for good reasons. The point is, he accomplished several very good things. The same just can't be said for Bush Jr.

 

The EPA was John Ehrlichman, by the way.

 

Other than his efforts in Africa, the only other thing I can thing of with W is his handling of 9-11 immediately after the fact. The speech was good and the country, much of the world really, was rallied behind him. Sadly, in the wake of everything we now know about his actions before, during, and after that day's tragedies, he cant really be commended too much for that either.

 

Edit- Also, the DEA busting up medical marijuana clinics after state referendums ok them is a new thing under George Bush Jr.

[Firestarter]

Medical marijuana is a horribly bad idea. Either you ban the drug or you don't.

[NoCalMike]

Medical marijuana is a horribly bad idea. Either you ban the drug or you don't.

 

Ok, unban it then.

[Firestarter]

Neither I nor most other law enforcement officers would oppose that. Criminalizing marijuana is only a marginally less bad idea than allowing it for medical purposes only.

[NoCalMike]

Neither I nor most other law enforcement officers would oppose that. Criminalizing marijuana is only a marginally less bad idea than allowing it for medical purposes only.

 

[snuffbox]

I, of course, think it should be completely legal. I have not yet heard a single good reason for the current policy (plenty of terrible reasons, though). But expanding federal powers even furthur to go after clinics that people already voted to allow is nothing short of pathetic

[Firestarter]

Your appraisal is shortsighted and foolish. I agree that marijuana should be completely legal; however, making any exception to its criminalization is an extremely bad idea.

[snuffbox]

Would you suggest that actually dangerous medicines (Oxycontin, etc) should then be either completely legal for all or not all?

[Firestarter]

Yes.