Sean Taylor Dead

[Ripper 0]

But that also doesn't mean he did anything in his past at all.

 

If you win the lottery tommorrow and some former coworker kills you later out of jealousy, that doesn't exactly make you have a checkered past that is coming back to haunt you.

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

I think the argument from Antrel Rolle makes perfect sense.

 

You have a guy who obviously associated with some bad dudes when he was younger, as a lot of people in his situation certainly did and continue to do.

 

His teammates say that he was basically a douchebag of the first order when he came into the league. But they also said that since his daughter was born, he'd been like a brand new person. I'm taking their word for this and believing them when they say it, which may be foolish because we all know that when someone dies people try to make them seem like better people than they actually were.

 

Plus you have to look at what happened to Michael Vick, another guy who kept associating with the same dirtballs from when he was growing up, and look where he ended up - in prison. I think, if true, it's pretty commendable that Sean Taylor decided he was going to break it off with the bad influences in his life even if it meant that they might try to hurt him. If that's how it went down, he did a brave thing. Perhaps not very many people would have done that.

 

So the argument goes, these kids all agree that if one of them makes it, he'll bring them all along for the ride. And I guess somebody felt like he was owed something (this isn't surprising, is it?) by Sean, and Sean tried to break it off. Now Sean's dead and I'm pretty certain that whoever killed him is going to get caught. And I'm nearly as certain that the person who killed him will already be known to the police.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

That's why I'm so surprised that all the apologists actively want it to be a random act of violence. There's a better chance that justice is served if it's someone connected to Taylor rather than just any old guy trying to rob the place.

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

That's why I'm so surprised that all the apologists actively want it to be a random act of violence. There's a better chance that justice is served if it's someone connected to Taylor rather than just any old guy trying to rob the place.

 

Since when are the apologists about holding anybody accountable anyway?

[Ripper 0]

I think the funny thing is that people saying he wasn't a thug are considered "apologist".

 

Vick needs an apologist. He actually did something.

 

People are basically making up stuff they want with Taylor.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

What am I making up? I don't care how this turns out. There aren't varying degrees of dead.

[MrRant 0]

But that also doesn't mean he did anything in his past at all.

 

If you win the lottery tommorrow and some former coworker kills you later out of jealousy, that doesn't exactly make you have a checkered past that is coming back to haunt you.

 

Well, not if you're white. If you're black? Then yeah.

 

Not saying that is what I believe necessarily.

[Jorge Gorgeous 0]

Firstly, most of hip hop culture is consumed by white suburban young males.

 

Just gotta jump in here for a second and point out that this is because there are more white suburban males than black people. If I eat a hot dog, and a hundred Mexicans eat a hot dog, too, it doesn't mean I didn't eat a hot dog. I live in South Central. The Hip Hop culture is celebrated, practiced and preached far more than when I lived in Beaverton, Oregon. I think wholesale blame of music is stupid. Cultural scapegoating makes me furious. Ignoring the power of music, and claiming it has no effect, is naive, though.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Music has the same influence on lives and actions that films, books, TV, or any other media does: a nominal effect on preferences, appearances, mannerisms, and frames of reference. A culture or way of life develops music and other media out of its characteristics, not the other way around.

 

I snorted tea at the angel wings picture.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

Ooh, what kind?

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Just some plain ol' Lipton today. Our receptionist forgot to order all the good stuff after we ran out, so I'm not getting my requisite Awake black tea or Earl Grey fix. Probably for the best considering the snorting.

 

Uh, sports.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

I never liked Constant Comment. Now chai, that's the most cerebral of all teas. Milk and sugar, of course. Plain black tea (and black coffee, too!) disgusts me. I have to dress these things up. I'm giving white tea one more chance to impress me.

[Kinetic 0]

Take it to the tea folder, fags.

[MrRant 0]

I never liked Constant Comment. Now chai, that's the most cerebral of all teas. Milk and sugar, of course. Plain black tea (and black coffee, too!) disgusts me. I have to dress these things up. I'm giving white tea one more chance to impress me.

 

You mean you aren't doing the liquid chai that you heat up with milk? For shame.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Tea comes in bags. I put bags in a coffee mug full of boiling water, then I add sugar.

[MrRant 0]

 

Find that. Or the Tazo variety.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

Looks promising. I just have some Good Earth Vanilla Chai. You PNWers really know your snobby beverages.

 

I bet that flashed the Vitamin X batsignal.

[MrRant 0]

Trust me, the liquid "already brewed plus having the sugar" in it is great. Just mix an equal part that and milk and heat it up or put it over ice and it's Chai-tastic.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

Trust you? Oh, do I ever! Between your left-of-center Internet pornography and your tea wisdom, you are truly a man for all seasons, Mr. Rant.

[MrRant 0]

Clearly we need to gather fellow tea lovers such as Edwin and have an AIM chat over the death's of "thugs" while drinking tea. Perhaps we can gather some pipes as well.

[Dandy 0]

"Finer Things Club?"

 

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

"Finer Things Club?"

 

Which one of you will have to whisper "Sorry" to the others when you let some uncultured Lipton-chugging hack into the club?

[Kinetic 0]

This thread has taken an unexpected turn.

[MFer 0]

This thread has taken an unexpected turn.

Fixed

 

[Boon 0]

Source: 3 held in Sean Taylor killing

By Jessica Gresko, Associated Press Writer | November 30, 2007

 

MIAMI --Police have detained at least three people in the Fort Myers area for questioning in the death of Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor.

 

A law enforcement official in Lee County confirmed the men from the Fort Myers area were in custody, but requested anonymity because the investigation is being handled by Miami-Dade County police.

 

Miami-Dade police would not confirm if anyone was in custody for the shooting death of Taylor, who was attacked at his Miami area home Monday and died a day later. Police only said detectives were in the Fort Myers area for an unspecified case.

 

"Our detectives are out there in Fort Myers conducting an investigation, gathering information and at this particular time they are not comfortable releasing any information regarding their investigation," police spokesman Robert Williams said. "As soon as information develops that will not jeopardize their case, they will release information."

 

The Miami Herald, which first reported the development on its Web site, said investigators believe the suspects learned of Taylor's house through someone who unwittingly set up the burglary by bragging about his wealth. The suspects include two teenagers and a man in his 20s, all from the Fort Myers area, the paper reported.

 

A telephone message left at the Florida City Police Department for the slain safety's father, Chief Pedro Taylor, was not immediately returned.

 

Richard Sharpstein, a former Taylor lawyer and family friend, confirmed the law enforcement report.

 

"It's my understanding that three individuals are in custody. A house is being searched," Sharpstein said, without disclosing who had given him the information.

 

He repeated previous statements that the burglary did not appear to be random and that the 24-year-old's house had been targeted.

 

Taylor's teammates and friends were measured in responding to this latest development.

 

"I can't get excited or get my hopes up hoping these are the guys until we know for sure," said running back Clinton Portis. "Everybody wants to know why. It's still not gonna bring back Sean. It will still take a great guy away from the world."

 

Said receiver Santana Moss: "If those are the guys, I just hope that they'll just be dealt with properly. I feel there's nothing much I can say about it. It's no anger I can express to them. What's done is done."

 

Evidence at Taylor's home indicated one or more intruders barged into the house early Monday in an attempted burglary, Miami-Dade police director Robert Parker said Wednesday.

 

Taylor and longtime girlfriend, Jackie Garcia, were awakened by loud noises at Taylor's home in an affluent Miami suburb, Sharpstein has said. Taylor grabbed a machete he keeps in the bedroom for protection, Sharpstein said, then someone broke through the bedroom door and fired two shots, one missing and one hitting Taylor in the upper leg. Neither the couple's 18-month-old daughter, also named Jackie, nor Garcia were injured in the attack.

 

The bullet damaged the femoral artery in Taylor's leg, causing significant blood loss. Taylor never regained consciousness and died a little more than 24 hours later.

 

A public viewing for Taylor is scheduled Sunday in Miami, and the entire Redskins organization plans to fly to Florida to attend Monday's funeral at Pharmed Arena at Florida International University.

[Dandy 0]

"Finer Things Club?"

 

Which one of you will have to whisper "Sorry" to the others when you let some uncultured Lipton-chugging hack into the club?

 

 

I'd like to volunteer my services as the guy with Easy Cheese, Wheat Thins, and orange drink.

[Ripper 0]

Not to derail the thread, but they have three guys in custody. Apparently they might have learned about Taylors home from someone who knows him bragging about how much money he(Taylor) had. It is also being assumed that since he was supposed to be out of town with the team, they probably thought the house was empty.

 

 

Now...back to Tea.

 

All my tea come from the tins in my kitchen that I got from Teavana and I use the Gold Tea Ball

...fuck them Tea Bags. Plus. I like saying Gold Tea Ball.

 

 

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

Not to derail the thread, but they have three guys in custody. Apparently they might have learned about Taylors home from someone who knows him bragging about how much money he(Taylor) had. It is also being assumed that since he was supposed to be out of town with the team, they probably thought the house was empty.

 

 

Now...back to Tea.

 

All my tea come from the tins in my kitchen that I got from Teavana and I use the Gold Tea Ball

...fuck them Tea Bags. Plus. I like saying Gold Tea Ball.

 

Well, that's all nice, but it probably doesn't work out of the scenario of the intruders busting down the bedroom door (with Sean and his girlfriend both inside), shooting twice at Sean, and leaving his stuff, his girlfriend, and his daughter all untouched. If that's really what happened, anyway. It's just what I read most recently.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

What kind of burglar shows up and just kills the guy without stealing anything? I was always under the impression that burglars look to avoid conflict: if they hear a barking dog, they'll try another house.

[The Niggardly King 0]

From everything I've heard about his house... it was pretty damn secure, even though he had no guards. The only way to get in, would be if you REALLY knew the layout of the place, or if someone LET you in.

 

I'm going to say it might have been his woman who set this up.