MMA Comments that Don't Warrant a Thread

[AboveAverage484]

Ortiz/Frank Shamrock was the one fight that made Frank realize that there were no more scrubs to fight in UFC so he retired. Back at around the time of UFC 22 the talent pool was stacked with Henderson, Lindell, Wanderlei Silva, Sakuraba and Frank Shamrock feared real competition.

 

Not entirely true. Henderson was in Rings by that point, Saku and Wandy were signed with Pride, and Liddell was a relative nobody at that point in his UFC career.

[Lei Tong]

Frank was more afraid of Rutten & Belfort at that point.

[Damaramu]

Does an yone know how far they plan on going with these UFC Classics DVDs?

They're up to UFC 6 and pretty soon they'll get getting to where a lot of famous older fighters started and that might be entertaining for nostalgia.

I really want to know if they're going to do the ones that they don't have on VHS, from the missing era or whatever(why aren't those on tape anyway?) from UFC 22-29. I mean I hear the fights might've sucked during that era but I'm kind of a completist AND I want to see stuff like Ortiz/Frank Shamrock.

 

Also what is PANCRASE? And is it worth picking any older ones up?

 

At least the Pancrase question! And was Shamrock/Ortiz any good? Frank Shamrock that is.

 

Pancrase; depends on whether you mean old or new. Old has modified MMA rules: no closed fist strikes, standing or on the ground. Many fighters such as Bas Rutten, Masakatsu Funaki, Minoru Suzuki, the Shamrocks, Guy Mezger, Yuki Kondo, and Maurice Smith fought in it. IIRC, Jushin Liger and TAKA Michinoku fought once a piece in it. New is more or less Pride rules, with maybe a few tweaks, though I haven't watched a show since Barnett fought Yuki Kondo.

 

Shamrock against Ortiz was great, pretty legendary fight.

 

So what about Shamrock showing up at the first UFC as the King of Pancrase? Did that really mean much? So Pancrase was MMA before MMA?

UFC always acts like they invented MMA but that's not true is it?

Is it worth checking out?

 

Oh and I said waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay earlier in this thread that I liked Arona. This was after only seeing one fight of him where he was very vicious. Now after viewing more Arona matches I suddenly HATE him.

[AboveAverage484]

Yeah, Pancrase was MMA before UFC. A pretty watered down, slightly sissyfied, slaphappy version of MMA, but yes. They had more fighters with a general knowledge of MMA than the UFC did at the start, though, which always made me think of how awesome Pancrase would have been in the early days with full MMA rules.

[Lei Tong]

Yeah, Pancrase was MMA before UFC. A pretty watered down, slightly sissyfied, slaphappy version of MMA, but yes. They had more fighters with a general knowledge of MMA than the UFC did at the start, though, which always made me think of how awesome Pancrase would have been in the early days with full MMA rules.

 

Meh. I think a majority of Pancrase fighters sucked pretty badly without works and pussy rules to back them up, much like a few SHOOTO guys had to learn at the early JVT's.

 

EDIT: The similarities between the two are the pussy rules and mediocre grappling, not the works.

[AboveAverage484]

Yeah, Pancrase was MMA before UFC. A pretty watered down, slightly sissyfied, slaphappy version of MMA, but yes. They had more fighters with a general knowledge of MMA than the UFC did at the start, though, which always made me think of how awesome Pancrase would have been in the early days with full MMA rules.

 

Meh. I think a majority of Pancrase fighters sucked pretty badly without works and pussy rules to back them up, much like a few SHOOTO guys had to learn at the early JVT's.

 

EDIT: The similarities between the two are the pussy rules and mediocre grappling, not the works.

 

Well, compared to some of the guys the UFC was bringing in they were Fedor level.

[Damaramu]

I wonder what it took to fight on those early UFC cards?

[AboveAverage484]

I wonder what it took to fight on those early UFC cards?

 

Connections, a set of balls, and a McDojo black belt.

[Lord of The Curry]

*Insert Joe-Son joke here*

[Lord of The Curry]

I didn't feel like bumping my Recent Purchases thread but I bought TUF2 on DVD today after it was finally released in Canada and it was worth it, not so much for Diaz/Diego (which 90% of my purchase was based on) but for one simple thing:

 

You get backstage footage of Diaz throwing the shoe.

[Lei Tong]

Yeah, Pancrase was MMA before UFC. A pretty watered down, slightly sissyfied, slaphappy version of MMA, but yes. They had more fighters with a general knowledge of MMA than the UFC did at the start, though, which always made me think of how awesome Pancrase would have been in the early days with full MMA rules.

 

Meh. I think a majority of Pancrase fighters sucked pretty badly without works and pussy rules to back them up, much like a few SHOOTO guys had to learn at the early JVT's.

 

EDIT: The similarities between the two are the pussy rules and mediocre grappling, not the works.

 

Well, compared to some of the guys the UFC was bringing in they were Fedor level.

 

If Fedor thought giving up back control to grab a foot was a good idea, maybe. It's moot though, as Brazil had better fighters long before.

[Lord of The Curry]

Gono/Kang

Misaki/Filho

 

Your semi-final matchup for the PRIDE WW Tournament. Will the winner of this be getting a shot at Hendo on NYE?

[AmericanDragon]

Dana White on Ferrall's show on Sirius:

 

White (on Silva vs Liddell): I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SET UP THIS FIGHT FOR FIVE YEARS

Pride Rep: We're offering him up for one fight

White: I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SET UP THIS FIGHT FOR FIVE YEARS

...x100

 

links here

 

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=432600

[Darthtiki]

There are rumblings on our sports talk station that UFC 65 in November may be eminating from Arco Arena in Sacramento with a two title double ME.

[Hunter's Torn Quad]

--Tito Ortiz signed yesterday for the Chuck Liddell fight on 12/30 in Las Vegas

[Hunter's Torn Quad]

I'm guessing 675,000 buys for Liddell vs. Oritz II, though Meltzer says that the predictions for it were astronomical.

[AmericanDragon]

 

I've been waiting for this fight to show up somewhere forever and I still haven't found it aside from this gif in the sherdog gif thread.

[Lt. Al Giardello]

Man I'm really pumped up to see Silva Vs. Franklin. I know Silva is going to be an underdog, so I'm going to lay some big time cash on him.

[Hawkius Maximus]

I'm shocked there's no talk of this.

 

Kazushi Sakuraba collapsed during training. It's been found, according to Fight Opinion that he had a blockage of an artery going to his BRAIN, and that this could be a precussor to a stroke. He's off the 10/9 HERO'S show.

 

...Sickeningly enough? They want him to still fight on NYE. The Japanese promotions aren't gonna be happy until he fucking dies in the goddamn ring.

[Lord of The Curry]

[AboveAverage484]

What's the difference between UFC and Pride besides the whole ring/octagon thing?

 

UFC = elbows are allowed, kicks/knees to a downed opponent's head are not, gis and shoes aren't allowed

Pride = reverse all the above

[randomguy]

Also Pride has a 10 minute first round.

[Lord of The Curry]

Except for the Bushdio shows which are a 10-5.

[Lei Tong]

Rumble on the Rock has now also joined the Worldwide Cage Network, along with Cage Warriors, the newly renamed Cage Force, Nordic Events Fightsport Promotions, Warrior's Realm, and Pangea Fights.

[Lei Tong]

BTW- is LotC's av slowing up anyone else's scrolling capability?

[razazteca]

UFC octogon girl search > WWE Raw

[Darthtiki]

It's all but been officially announced by Dana but UFC 65 will be in Sacramento with Sylvia v. Monson

[I like Forums]

Does anybody know what song Mike Swick uses for his entrance?

[Mik]

At 63 he used ambitionz as a ridah by tupac.

[Lt. Al Giardello]

Does anybody know what song Mike Swick uses for his entrance?

 

Are you kidding me?

 

Ambitions as a Ridah by 2Pac.