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Agreed. Its still humilating though licking HHHs ass the way he does.

But IMHO it wasnt portrayed as so.

Ahhh, but isnt that what he is doing now? ^o)

Is TNA so disinteresting that we have to resort to such threads? :S

To refresh everybodys memory in very simple terms. Doing a job is when you lose to somebody cause your told to. Putting somebody over means elevating them in front of viewers. Nobody remembers that RAW tap unless someone reminds them about it, and I doubt that marks will really remember it. The Rumble is the 2nd largest PPV but that wasnt the payoff. Jericho was red hot going into WMX19. The win meant nothing to HBK. Jericho had to win though. IMHO, he should have jobbed to Jericho and done his best to get him over (more than he already was). HBK didnt want to job to Bret during 1997. You can get people over without losing though, like he did with Shelton Benjamin. BUT HBK is in the twilight of his career. Whether he wins or loses the majority of his remaining matches is not as important as elevating the rest of the roster. A WM lose would not have detracted anything from HBK, cause hes bulletproof. Marks will always cheer for him and titles and victories do not really matter to him at this stage in his career. His WM win-lose record isnt that good either. All it would have taken was for JR to say that HBKs WM curse continues.

Start speculating on what matches will/should appear on Angle's set. And what about this Fully Loaded DVD for December? That should be Survivor Series projected date, and I thought that show was scrapped for this year? Anybody has any info on this? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What was that about Survivor Series? And hasnt Fully Loaded been scrapped since at least WMX17? So I can relieve the very shitty booking? I second that about the Title and stress the words AT LEAST.

And why do you hate Jericho, if I may ask? Cause he 'modelled' his career on HBK?

If you're implying that Rey/Eddie needs a title for their feud, I couldn't disagree more. Too often bookers think that the only way to make a feud meaningful is to throw a title (boiled down, nothing more than a prop) in the mix. Rey/Eddie has given us a lengthy feud with pride on the line, which is probably why it has stood out so noticeably, and I'm digging the direction it's going in. Granted, this past week with Rey's son was a tad soap-opera-esque, but I think it will work in the hands of Rey and Eddie. Think about it: Eddie engages in a friendly rivarly with his old (but supposedly inferior) friend, and becomes so increasing agitated that he cannot beat him that he desperately resorts to pulling a dark secret from Rey's past just to watch Rey grovel, and in doing so, giving Eddie that momentary satisfaction of the 'victory' that he otherwise cannot attain. If you rewatch the SD footage for Eddie's facial expressions (in particular), they really pulled it off well. Anyway, the point is adding a title would do nothing but detract focus from the real storyline, which is the most interesting storyline they've done all year as far as I'm concerned. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, agreed, this is the best story of SDs half-year but I think it has greater potential since its still kicking, but I still think that there were better ways to go with those feud, namely: (1) Involing the CWs. By doing so, you can revive the Lucha Libre 6 mans in the WWE, having people running interference for the 2, a multi man match at SurSeries and a Streetfight between Eddie and Rey. (2) Not send RVD and Chavo to RAW. These were the 2 main back-up people for Rey and Eddie and were the prime ingredients for elevating this feud to make it even better and prolong it. (3) Make better use of talent. Give people things to do, such as Billy, Tajiri and Akio. IMHO, Tajiri should have gone to SD. (4) Give other people a chance. Namely, London. From what transpired prior to the Mexicools debut, London had claim to a PPV crack against Eddie, with some build. (5) Involve debutants in hot angles to get them over. The Mexicools could have been of better use IMHO if they were involved in this angle. This started with Eddie and Rey and should end with Eddie and Rey. But that doesnt mean that other people can be involved along the way to add value to and drag out properly your number 1 feud. It makes it feel more special IMHO. The point is that it cultimates to youve had people having your back, Ive had people having mine, lets cut the crap, and just do this mano e mano and beat the shit out of each other once and for all. The fued needs something. It can still be Eddie and the Mexicools vs Rey, London, Kidman and Akio at 1 point. This youve got a secret and I know about it has been done to death already and I dont like it at all. Maybe using the USC is a cop out, but I was just replying to how the belt could be transitioned to Rey given the current circumstances.

IMHO they will prolong the Edge/Kane crap until they know what they are doing with respect to Matt. IMHO HHH has no claim to a title shot, Angle-Cena has been done before, RVD-CCC for god knows what number IC reign it is for RVD (when is he due back btw?) and WTF about HBK. To be left field, Id have a battle royal and Benjamin wins. But knowing the WWE we get Cena-Edge and HHH-Angle with HBK interference or Cena-HHH and Angle-HBK III depending on what happens with Matt.

PART 2 OF 2 Holding a title for a long time makes it seem like a big deal (or, at least like it SHOULD BE a big deal) when it finally changes hands. It actually bothered me when Benjamin lost the belt after such a lengthy reign. Orton had quite a memorable feud with Foley, although I'll admit the IC belt didn't play that big of a part in it. Everyone's completely ignoring my RVD/Hardcore Title example. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is the theory, yes. It doesn't always work out that way, and so is by no means a sure thing. Almost nothing Orton did involved the IC belt. He had no big feuds or programs over it. Both of his PPV title defences were one-month deals, and were pretty much ignored once the match in question was done with, so that didn't do a thing for the belt. Yes, a wrestler getting a belt can elevate the belt in question, but comparing the Hardcore belt then, when it had merit and meaning, to the US Title now, which has neither, was not the best way to go. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats what sucked. IMHO, Orton-Rock for the IC title should have been booked at Backlash in a 3rd-gen vs 3rd-gen superstar. Then book Orton-Foley in a match at Bad Blood on or RAW around JD. The streetfight would have been the blowoff. The problem with that was that everybody knew that Orton wouldnt have lost the belt since it was short-term deals for his opponent. What would have made it interesting would have been if Foley actually won it on RAW and then Orton got it back at BB, on Foleys own terms. I think RVD did make the HCC look cool. It was the only time I can remember the title mean something apart from Foley at the beginning. I use to change hands 10 times a night for the love of god. The title was worthless. RVD did elevate it, so much so that UT, of all people, who thinks that the below ME doesnt exist, came after it. You can say that the focus of the feud was UT-RVD and not the HCC but UT had just turned heel and was after respect and wanted to enhance his tough look. Gimmick titles tend to be easier to get over, such as the CWC. Secondary titles have been shat on since the early 90s with the IC title. Orton had only 2 PPV title defences? Against Foley and Benjamin I take it. I think it was cool the way Orton won the title. Had a good match with RVD on RAW. Then a feud with Foley which could have meant so much more. Then Benjamin and the drop to Edge. He should never have lost it IMHO. Hardly memorable Ill say. Better than Benjamin though. I dont know. It would appear as a depush, but as I have said before you cant have 10 people in the ME without it being a cluster f. However, if they build up on the heritage and Benoit cuts promos stating that he is to restore honour to the title, I think it could work. Plus he has the WCW connection, since IIRC he held it there too. It wouldnt make Benoit a loser, but just going through the motions. Batistas a face, Benoits a face . . . fill in the blanks. Jericho is a loser cause hes held it for like a million times but has only held the big one 2. Hillarious (AND BEFORE ANBYBODY FLAMES, THIS IS THE TONGUE IN CHEEK PART OF THE POST). Ive numbered the points for ease of reading: (1) LOL. How dare you say that to the mighty RRR and HTQ. Bow before their greatness. (2) To be fair, RRR is not saying that. Hes just jumping to the aid of Benoit. They can be elevated but this is just beyong 'creative'. What do you think this people do? Creativity is not 1 of their tasks. (3) Ah, yes the lemmings approach. RRR is HHH and HTQ is the Naitch and the rest of the thread is Evo. KNK is the muscle, so he could be Batista. Or RRR is Vince and HTQ is Shawn. (4) They do, see (2) above though. (5) RVD did elevate it, as I have said quite a bit above. It was the best period of the belt. Saying that they gave it to RVD cause it justified his style is a pretty lame arguement IMHO. It could any 1 of 10 wrestlers style. It could justify UT style too. They shat on it cause they needed to get UT to WM and uphold the holy streak. Hence, Rock screwing UT and then Flair coming to aid Rock after Vince chose the UT. O yeah, and someone thought that it would make TE look good. Excuse my possible ignorance, but titles should always hold higher places than wrestlers. Its what they aspire to attain, so it must always be at the top and they below. Would make a good angle for a heel to say that a particular title is below him though. (6) Your right. IMHO the problem with the Euro Title was that there were too many titles and they ran out of wrestlers from Euro. It had its moments though, such as D'Lo. The belt is not worthless, but WWE havent really hyped up its heritage as you think Robot Jerk. Yeah, that's been done to death but hey, there's a reason it has. Just put Hassan in a triple threat (throwing say.....hell I don't know, some random midcard SD face in there) and have him win that way. That's really what they should be doing instead of putting him in main events because he's no where CLOSE to being ready for that. EDIT: I was going to say put Heidenreich in there, but I might actually have to WATCH that match and I'm too young for a mental institution. Perhaps Rey Mysterio. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with KNK. Good booking IMHO. And the Triple Threat too. Hardcore Holly would make more sense I think. Have Hassan pin Hardcore and see how Hassan gets out of the eventual beatdown. Then OJ has reason to chase Hassan since he was never pinned. I would like to see JBL as a face, plus hes all pro-US. IT wouldnt be a depush, just the seeds of his turn. People would cheer JBL vs Hassan. Rey would be good for the belt too. Beats the CWC. And I PERSONALLY cannot see Rey credibly holding the WHC. But how would transition it to him. Hes kind of busy right now, although I must say, his feud with Eddie does need something.

EDIT: Part 1 of 2 Didnt I say that? Hes only a Tweener though if you go with it, not if you drop it. Christian. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Over what though? I still dont get this angle im afraid. Agreed. Now the squash a la JBL-Cena WMXXI is needed. My thoughts exactly. That'd totally elevate the US belt, and the show would certainly benefit from actually having talented performers feuding for it. A perfect set up would be after beating Jordan for the US Title (their feud was already set up with Benoit's attack on him during the JBL/Taker match a few weeks ago), JBL gets offended because Benoit isn't actual from the US and shouldn't be US Champ. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Id actually prefer to see Benoit feud with UT and JBL. A title isnt needed between these 3. UT should never hold a title again IMHO. I hate to say this but JBL wont win at the GAB and since I like him, Id prefer him to win the US Title off Hassan AS A FACE. Benoit has been floundering for a while now, some gold is better than no gold. Savage and Steamboat made the IC worth something, and yet I remember Steamboat was like the number 2/3 face in the company, and the same for Savage as a heel. Samoa Joe with the ROH World Title and currently the ROH Pure Championship? RVD with the ECW TV Title? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think he was referring to the WWE.

That was 1 of the most stupid booking decisions IMHO.

She will still 'write' the WWE, even the day before she gives birth. The only chance you have of somebody else writing shows is if they are behind on a show, when she is actually in labour. Saying that, she could still dictate the show.

I dont think the fans, 8 years down the line will still remember this love conudrum. Hey, please stop it with the Bret hate. But isnt that his own fault? Its his own conscious decision.

Ahhh, yes. Thats why Benoit and Regal had so many matches together in the past 18 months on RAW. ^o) I can actually see them as bringing in Regal with the Cabinent, as the Foreign Secretary. *cough* Dudley Boys *cough* <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They are o so fresh arent they?

The IWC has reached consensus on two things. The first is Christ Benoit. The second is Brian Gerwitz is a campy, fart joke writing, piss poor writer. I see you're late to the party. EDIT: Pretty impressive considering there isn't even consensus on how to spell Gewirtz's name. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, I am. Granted, but this wont really change much IMHO.

It was time for La Res to break anyway. Ditto the Bashams, since Doug Basham is supposed to be really good. Batista wasn't a nobody. He had been D-Von's menacing bodyguard and he was given a lot of his hype upon entering RAW. He even had a win over Kane on PPV. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, and they also broke up Tajiri-Regal and Maven-Dean. I know it was time for them break up, but it doesnt leave them much in the way of Tag Teams. The Division was already small. They should have made teams, then broken them up. On SD the only team that stands out is MNM. On RAW, the superheros. Alright, yes granted Batista had the run, ableit short run with the deacon and had a string of promos. We hadnt really seen him wrestle though. I think what has happenede to Jindrak and Masters isnt far off what Batista and Orton got though. That was my point.

This will probably get off-topic, but I'm thinking it's because Eddie found out he was tapping out clean to Benoit at ONS, got pissed about it, and therefore gave him a bad match on purpose. I already posted that in the "One and Only ECW One Night Stand" thread a while back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If this is true then Eddies an ass. Btw, are web cast buy rates included with the numbers?

1 problem, Doug is currently a heel. Unless they let him cut a promo against JBL, but I cant see that happening. Hassan as US Champ would be very sarcastic IMHO.

Theres the backdrop for it, Doug calling OJ out, so that means it will completely go over 'creatives' heads. I agree regarding Booker and Benoit. It would be nice to see Benoit-Christain. Give who a feud with Rey though? :S I have like 101 ideas for the way they could book Eddie-Rey to drag it out. And I have voiced that often here. But that aint a bad idea either, before you start introduing the Mexicools, Akio and Kidman. Btw, Chavos on RAW though Booker has the potential to good U.S. champion. He's over enough to defend it on SD instead of Velocity and has some name value. Just no 6-month best of 5 series, please. And on the Eddie/Rey feud, it absolutely must end at TGAB. It's already starting to go downhill with this whole "beg me not to tell the truth" thing with Dominic. Just let Eddie win, and send each guy in their separate ways. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Like he was the last time you mean? ^o) Im enjoying Eddie-Rey till last week. Now its starting to feel like when HHH starting saying I know the truth, I know what your afraid of. Both points show how 'creative' prefers to recycle pure crap. Again, Cage match is good too. Havent they done Hair vs Mask already? Eddie doesnt have much Hair to lose anyways. JBL needs the WHC and not the US title. But aint a bad idea. What would Book and the Capt do though? There was the seeds of something in d 6 way. I still dont get why UT went beserk though. :S

I dont really see what the big deal is.

Agreed. Killings need to drop 3LK like a bad habit. I think Waltman should branch out on his own for now. Shark-Boy is on the verge of getting a X Div push of thoughts. Id rather see Siaki on his own, but a 3 man team of them and Apolo is interesting since you have Samoan, Porto Rican and Mexican if I see it properly. Reason I said Hector is because IMHO he was the best guy in Team Mexico, after Juvi left, and was starting to get a push before the drug bust. Maybe they could ease him back in slowly with the K-Dawg.

It is a botch. Still looks sick though. I think the oppenent is Michaels. Thats the version I was talking about, up to The Rock feud. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope the opponent was a jobber named Marty Garner, known in the indies as "Cham Pain" (infact he even sent in a video for tough enough once). I saw him on the montel williams show once and they showed the clip of the super pedigree, amazing he didn't break his neck. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks. I thought it was HBK. Cant really see him cause he face never shows IIRC. Now that is a death move.

And in one file swoop, 'creative' kills the 'tag team division'. Those aint bad ideas at all. I think that Masters should have been let into Evo ages ago. Remember Flair thought he was HHH on his 1st night. Also, isnt Jindrak the Reflection of Perfection. Sounds good people for Evo. Orton and Batista were nobodys when they joined Evo. The All-Japan team seems ok. Bring back the bWo. Wouldnt that have just like taken a story from SD and plopped it on RAW. Rene looks way too much like Eddie for my liking.

Why isnt Eddie on good terms with Benoit anymore? I thought that they were the best of friends. :S