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Kharitonov was able to get Schilt down and put his nuts in his face. I think the "Hunt is prone to submissions" is a bit premature of a statement to make. He got subbed in his first ever MMA match against a really good submissions guy, and still showed natural defending abilities. And that's it. It's not like he is Frank Trigg and gets subbed over and over again. If he gets subbed again, sure, but basing how he is on a fighter now just on his first match is absurd. It would be more likely for Hunt to KO Arlovski than for Arlovski to sub Hunt, IMO.

Being a whore and being a hypocrite aren't the same thing. Actually... whore (hôr, hōr) pronunciation n. 1. A prostitute. 2. A person considered sexually promiscuous. 3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

This is getting ridiculous with the amount of baddies this season. Awesomely ridiculous, but ridiculous nonetheless. So Heller going off the cliff was a bit drastic, right? He has to still be alive. I dunno what made me happier, having Curtis show up and save the day, or the homeland chick teamin with the good guys.

Who thinks Arlovski or Sylvia could beat Hunt? Kharitonov?

Tito's fight against Cote and Matyushenko were pretty boring (granted, it's been a few years since I saw the Vladdy fight). However, his fights against Shamrock, Griffin, Belfort, Shamrock, Couture, Mezger were very entertaining. However, does that make Tito an exciting fighter? Was it him that made those fights exciting? I think that's debatable.

I think there is a difference between not expecting and being surprised by.

Yeah, HHH isn't that bad. He just made sure Benoit had a lame duck title reign and then destroyed the guy who ended up taking the title from Benoit about a month later. Great guy, that HHH. I agree that Benoit winning the title, and even in that fashion, wasn't a surprise. The win had the emotional impact of a buttered roll. The last five minutes of Kawada/Taue vs. Misawa/Kobashi. Kawada and Misawa lay on the ground, slowly get up, Misawa throws a punch, maybe getting some life back, Kawada blocks it and drills him with a rolling kick and knocks him to the apron. Taue, on the apron, picks Misawa up and is read to choke slam him to the floor. Kobashi hobbles on his injured leg over to stop him. The crowd heat throughout is on its highest level, reacting to everything. As Kobashi tries to stop Taue, Kawada pulls him off and then kicks his hurt leg out from underneath him. As Kobashi lays on the ground clutching his knee, Taue forces his hand around Misawas throat on the apron. Misawa desperately fights him, but Kawada runs up behind him from the inside of the ring and lariats the back of his head. Taue chokeslams Misawa off the apron, in a great visual given the camera movement. Structurally, that whole sequence was perfect and it's been about a minute. Now Kobashi is on the outside, CRAWLING, to get to Misawa. Kawada is on the inside taking a breather. Misawa is DEAD on the ground. Taue tries to pick him up, the crowd starts to passionately chant "Mis-a-wa" as Kobashi crawls his way over and lays himself over Misawa. Kobashi, who failed to stop the attack which had Taue chokeslamming Misawa to the outside because his knee was fucked, is doing the only thing now that he can do - put his body on the line and take a beating so Misawa doesn't have to. Taue obliges and starts to stop and chop Kobashi while he c overs Misawa. He then picks him up and throws him aside, as if to say "you're not worth my energy". Two minutes in. Taue rolls Misawa back in, and at this point you have to remember that Kawada has yet to pin Misawa -ever-. So after Misawa is rolled into the ring, Kawada immediately tries to get the pin, but Misawa continues to roll all the way out to the otherside of the ring. These are stall tactics and they are brillaintly used. They sell the chokeslam. They sell the need to not get pinned from Kobashi and Misawa, and also the need to pin by Kawada and Taue. Kawada goes to the outside and immediately rolls Misawa back in. 1 - 2, no. A close pin, but everyone knew Kawada wasn't going to get it because Misawa had too much time to recover. Three minutes in. Kawada then tries to go for a powerbomb, but Misawa struggles against it. To wear him down some more, Kawada does his rapidkicks to the face. At this time I should note that Kobashi has slowly made it back to his corner. He sees what Kawada is doing and crawls under the ropes and grabs on to Misawas leg, preventing Kawadas powerbomb. Taue comes in and puts the boots to Kobashi, but Kobashi still won't let go. Taue has to pull Kobashi by his hair to get him off, chops him rapidly, and then he chokeslams Kobashi while Kawada stuff powerbombs Misawa. 1-2-no. Misawa folds over. This one the crowd bought and are going NUTS. The look on Kawadas face is one of bewilderment. Four minutes in. Kawada tries for the powerbomb again. He is stressing over it. What's great about this is that EVERYTHING is worked for. There is exertion on all of their faces. You get the sense that they are fighting for everything. Misawa backdrops Kawada off. Falls to a knee, and then trips Kawada so Kawada can't immediately follow up. Again, buying more time Misawa can't follow this up though and merely delays Kawada. Kawada, out of frustration, starts stomping Misawa repeatedly while holding the ropes. Kobashi crawls over and covers Misawa again and Kawada just doesn't stop. Both Taue and Kawada try to pull Kobashi off Misawa but he is fighting it, he is desperately trying to protect Misawa. This is the closest thing to a touching moment you will get in wrestling. The image of the two guys trying to force Kobashi off. I don't know if it is loyalty, regret, or will to win that has Kobashi trying to protect Misawa, but it's like he's the dog trying to protect his master. For this loyalty. For this dedication and passion. For this admirable defense of his comrade. Taue has Kobashis throat. Kawada has his waist. Chokeslam/Dangerous Backdrop Combo. Kobashi lands on his head. He's done for. But he did give Misawa more time. Misawa is to his feet, spinning elbow to Taue. But before he can get any momentum, he gets a ganmengiri from Kawada. There is no way Kawada is going to let his big pin slip from his grasp. 1-2-NO. Crowd is ape shit. The finish comes after another dangerous backdrop, a ganmengiri and finally -for the win- a stuff powerbomb. Kobashi tries to crawl to the rescue but Taue holds him back. It's over.

Joey Styles used to write columns bashing the WWE and Sports Entertainment and now he not only works for them, but he spews out the stuff he used to make fun of. That's being a whore. Plus, Joey turned down the WWE before because his marketing job paid him more than they were offering him. That probably changed when the WWE got rid of Ross and the replacements (Coach and King) sucked balls. They offered Joey the right price to sell whatever principles he was trying to say he had. Joey never got a "free pass" when he was announcing for ECW, most of us just thought that the guy honestly felt the way he did and wasn't fed the information. It's clear now Joey is nothing more than a puppet and has absolutely no credibility to speak of.

Christian/Abyss not being a blood bath angers me.

Billy Jean would be the perfect entrance theme.

Yeah, I was writing the list and was like "jeez, I could put ANYONE after Fedor and Nog and it wouldn't matter."

Styles reportedly was making good/better money with his marketing job. So you can't really use the "he's trying to feed his kids" line. He had options. He's a whore.

You know how in professional wrestling they give promo packages sometimes building up fighters? They should do that with Silva. Theres enough footage that they could get to hype him up. "Anderson Silva... is coming" or something.

It's tough with the heavyweight division in MMA because most guys who could be heavies can cut down to 205 or even 185. Like in Boxing, I believe, HW is 205. So the guys who DO fight at HW are typically just guys who don't want to bother cutting weight, which leaves lots of junk.

Fedor Emelianenko - Wins over Coleman, Randleman, Schilt, Herring, Goodridge, Fujita, TK, Cro Cop and most importantly Noguiera. Probably the most well-rounded heavyweight fighter ever, with the ability to sub off his back, destroy in the guard, ko power in his hands, solid takedowns, great balance, and great strategic mind. Stood with Cro Cop, stayed in Nogs guard. And almost more importantly, he proved he can take a shot, take punishment, and come back. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - If it wasn't for Fedor, Nog would be heads and shoulders above the rest. Wins over Goodridge, Coleman, Rodriguez, Cro Cop, Schilt, Sapp, Herring, Kharitonov, and VOLK HAN. Rock-hard chin, the biggest heart, best heavyweight off his back, and great, memorable, fights. He pretty much cleared out the division before Fedor came along. Mark Coleman - Might be a controversial choice given his past losses to Cro Cop, Nog, Fedor, Williams, Smith, Rizzo... but the guy pretty much made the Heavyweight division with tournament wins at UFC 10 and 11 as well as dominant wins over Severn and Frye. First Heavyweight champion, influencial in that he proliferated the gnp style that is still popular today. Came back and won the PRIDE Grand Prix. Mirko Cro Cop - A surprise pick, perhaps, given that he's still a competitive fighter and his place in history is still being written, but wins over Herring, Vovchanchyn, Fujita, Coleman, Randleman, Barnett, as-well-as a tremendous performance against Nog and Fedor certainly puts him in considertation. The most deadly striker in the HW division, did more with it than Pedro Rizzo, and if you put him against any Heavyweight who has ever lived, he'd have a good chance of winning it. Pedro Rizzo - Wins overAbbott, Rodriguez, Arlovski, Barnett, Severn, TK, debated loss against Couture, and debated win over Coleman. At his best, there were very few better. Unfortunately, he failed to live up to his potential on many occasions, but all those big wins (cept for Abbott) were, at the time, against top 10 calibre fighters. Significant drop-off in recent years hurts his legacy. Ricco Rodriguez - drop-off aside, Ricco is one of the more talented Heavyweight fighters in history. Good wrestler who was able to use size and positioning effectively to get off submission and GnP wins. Wins over Couture, TK, Williams, Arlovski, Monson, Buentello, Goodridge, and a debated loss against Noguiera Dan Severn - UFC 4 finalist, UFC 5 winner, Ultimate Ultimate 2 winner, Superfight Champion. Wins over Griffin, Christison, Eilers, Silveira, Sims, Kopylov, Shamrock, Taktorov, Abbott, Fulton... not the greatest calibre of wins, and he's not the most exciting fighter, but all things considered, a remarkable set of accomplishments. He was the first successful wrestler in MMA, and though he was never in the top ten for the vast majority of his career, he gets points for laying the groundwork for the heavyweight division. Don Frye - Another one of those foundation fighters who are on the list because they were necesary for the development of the HW division. I think these type of fighters should be considered seriously because when you look at what makes for a legitimate top 10 fighter, who they beat is very important. Frye didn't really beat anyone big. Goodridge and Abbott are about his biggest wins. However, UFC 8 tourny champ, UU champ, the guy was a top guy during a period of time when everything was very disorganized and chaotic and Frye stood out as a clear top fighter. Along with Severn, Frye was a trailblazer. Randy Couture - Not a tremendously accomplished HW. I was debating putting him on the list. But wins over Belfort, Randleman, Smith and Rizzo - he helped bring the UFC heavyeweight picture legitimacy coming out of the dark-ages. Igor Vovchanchyn - Probably one of the most debatable picks on this list, but I look at him as a much better version of Tank Abbott. Looking at his fight record shows many tournament wins, many ko wins... the guy was a wrecking machine. Sure, those wins over lots of junk fighters, but this is something we have to accept and appreciate in the development of MMA history. The guy was a definite force in early PRIDE and helped lay the foundation for their HW division. Kazyuki Fujita/Josh Barnett - Fujita is a pick that will probably get lots of eye rolls. Wins over Kerr, Shamrock, Sapp, Yvel. Took Cro Cop to a decision. Came closest to beating Fedor. The best Japanese Heavyweight, and I think he could be competitive against anybody in the division, even today. Barnett has wins over Couture, Schilt, Hoffman, McGee, Severn, and competitive losses against Rizzo and Cro Cop. One of the more well rounded heavies.

When did UFC.tv become UFC.com?? I <3 the UFC's MW division. They could do a Grand Prix and it would be so good.

For a second, I thought you wrote "Colbert". I got very confused.

I mentioned this over at DVDVR, but Nemesis seemed like a good 2 parter for the TV show and that's about it. It was kinda weak on the plot-side (ditto Insurrection)

That's an interesting point. I watch SPIKE (relatively) a lot so, to me, it's like they are advertising it all over the place, when I guess it's just on that one channel.

Why bitch about me in this thread? I already gave the reasons for the soup treatment, and it seems to work pretty well. I don't need to PM a mod because the mods are smart enough to know which threads to close, they do good work, what I try to do is prevent people from seriously responding to a shitty thread. Laugh and mock that all you want, you guys really aren't any different.

*"Ultimate Fighter 3" bounced back from last week and did a 1.9 rating on Thursday night. "Unleashed" featuring Royce Gracie did a 1.4. - LAW 1.9, fuck yeah! This is the weirdest viewing audience. You think Tito/Forrest had anything to do with it? Or was last week just a blip? Granted, we haven't gotten the full picture and can only speculate from just three ratings, but damn, I'm confused.

I'm sure you do. And the whole point of the soup thing is to get it moved or closed, so that would be great as well.

Go back to the peanut gallery, take Slayer with you.

Off topic is off topic. What does them thinking Melina is good looking have to do with Randy Orton being suspended? What does someone drawing anime pictures of wrestlers have to do with Randy Orton being suspended? I don't care about threads going off-topic. However, I am not the one speaking out against it while doing it myself. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in those two dumbfucks bitching about me doing it as if they weren't doing it in the same fucking thread for a longer period of time. I had, what, 3 or 4 posts related to cereal? Then after that, after being asked to stop (which apparently never happens to me, according to Lushus) I did and then balanced it out with posts that were on topic, offered a different perspective, and helped add to the discussion. Lushus had as many if not more posts regarding a fucking cartoon than I did about cereal. How about you go and actually read that thread before you go on talking about it, eh?

BTW, the only reason I started those two soup discussions was in response to threads that were made by, guess what, TROLLS. Trolls live to be responded to, you ignore their trolling and they go away. The thing is, people here tend to feed trolls and respond to these threads and it proliferates. What the soup discussion does is it curbs that until the thread gets closed and the trolls move on realizing that its useless to start retarded threads.