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Haha, I would hope TNA's long term build did not involve Scott Hall. But really, TNA desperately needs to sit down and say "Okay, we're going to build now to Slammiversary. For the world title we want Kurt Angle vs. Booker T. Let's build to that."

Okay a few thoughts. First off, everyone here is reacting way too much to Scott Hall no showing. From 1992-98 I was a really big Razor/Hall fan but anyone who thinks the old drunkard has anything left to offer pro wrestling is kidding themselves. When I heard he no showed it didn't set off an alarm like say when Benoit no showed the PPV (this being before we knew what happened). This was more like Scott Hall being wasted and since he likely wasn't being paid as much as he would have liked he just said "Fuck it." When I read it, I just sorta laughed to myself and then went to sleep. Second, Eric Young? There are different kinds of being over. Eric Young is over in a comedy jobber way, somewhat like Eugene was for a while. I said it a while back on here that Young will stay over if they keep his exposure limited and not seriously push him, but once they actually try pushing him he's fucked and the backlash will begin. TNA just amazes me, they really do. Can anyone tell me what the long term vision is for this company right now? What is the epic match they are going to build to? Are they building to anything at all? Say what you want about WWE but at least I can already see the build for various WM matches, whether it is Flair's "win or else" angle or Edge/UT. Can anyone seriously enlighten me on what TNA is going to be doing 4 months from now?

I have to admit I laughed my ass off at Scott Hall no showing the PPV. I have no idea why TNA thought bringing Hall in would be a good idea given the past decade of his various fuckups. I too am a big fan of the guy but he's been a burnt out drunkard for years. Oh, and there is absolutely no way this is a work. There are some things you can work, but purposefully having a guy no show your advertised main event is NOT one of them. Gotta admit I had zero desire to see this show and after reading this I am very glad I didn't.

To answer oldshool's question yes WVU obviously deserved a BCS bid since they won a BCS conference to get there. The Pitt disaster only impacted their national title hopes, but they had the BCS wrapped up. These games suck, they really do. Ohio St. vs. LSU is the same tedious good old boy crap on top, and we have no idea if these are really the two best teams. Kansas vs. VT is a matchup few people want to see at all (and VT will likely stomp them). I am somewhat interested in WVU vs. OU to see if WVU can somehow get Pat White healthy and rebound from that Pitt debacle against an OU team that is rolling. Hawaii vs. Georgia will prove interesting, though I really don't think Hawaii is in the same league as Boise from last year. And the Rose Bowl? Good grief. I know they wanted to keep it Big 10 vs. Pac 10, but a 3 loss Illinois team getting a BCS at large? Is there anyone who thinks they have a hope in hell against USC? If I'm Missouri I am fucking pissed. Mizzou already beat Illinois and has a better record. Also beat Kansas recently. The demented aspect of this is that Mizzou would have been better off losing to Kansas and then let Kansas get maimed by OU.

Yeah I am very interested in that Black Saturday show. Heard about it for years and now I'll get to see how much of a disaster it was.

Selling is the toughest thing to do in wrestling, especially long term selling. In the entire time I've watched wrestling I've only seen maybe 2 guys that really sold long term and had me believing it (Bret Hart in 1994 with his leg, Randy Savage in 1992 with the leg). There needs to be a solid middle ground here. I think what Disco is saying about the X guys and ROH is that the matches follow little rhyme or reason, as in guys are busting out spots left and right but no one is controlling a match. By controlling I mean one guy is on offense for a while, then makes a mistake or the other guy makes his comeback. It's more Guy A does a wild spot, then a few seconds later Guy B hits a spot. Even someone who is criticized for his selling like Rob Van Dam does in fact follow basic match structures in terms of letting his opponent have a large amount of the match, making comebacks, etc. I mention RVD because I think he's kind of the patron saint for all the X Division guys. RVD does take some valid criticism for not selling a specific body part long term (like a leg, since too much of his offense involves a leg), but his bumping and short term selling is awesome.

Iggy I don't get the huge love for OU in your poll. Yes, they beat Missouri again. They also choked and gagged against Texas Tech a couple of weeks ago. As far as WVU goes, it doesn't totally shock me that they did what they did last night. A couple of weeks ago WVU almost let Cincy back into a game but held on by 5. And U of L damn near stormed back to beat WVU as well. While people harped on WVU turning the ball over a bunch in that game U of L also turned it over a couple of times too, so WVU really wasn't that much better. The thing I take away from this season is that no matter how much it seems like there might be a new and different national title matchup, fate always gives us the same old crap.

Let's back up one second. How the hell can a team ranked #2, favored by 28 points, playing at home with the national title at stake lose to fucking DAVE WANNSTEDT? I know Pat White was knocked out of that game, but that Brown dude has been at least a feasible backup when he's played (won the Rutgers game last year, nearly beat USF this year). WVU pulled the biggest choke in the history of football tonight, I mean it was that bad. Pitt didn't even really play all that great themselves, about like what they could do best case. The Mizzou/OU score wasn't as surprising to me. I figured on that one. So let's take a look at our baffling title scene: Ohio State: The one clear cut aspect in this. They are boring and no one outside of OH wants to see them, but they are a solid 11-1 and in the title game now. Georgia: You gotta be kidding me. Can you really put a team that didn't win the SEC East in the title game, particularly when they got assraped by the team that DID win the East by 21? Kansas: I was actually tempted to just say "Fuck it, take the other 11-1 team" but also in the UGA vein they didn't even win the Big 12 North. And their SOS sucks. Virginia Tech: Blech. Do they have a guy named Vick? No. Thus nobody cares and certainly wouldn't want them in a title game. Besides, the LSU assrape is a glaring hole in their resume. LSU: This is so deranged but I can see them jumping to that #2 spot. What sort of sick world is this when LSU can be totally out of it and #7 one day and then #2 the next day AND get a home game for the national title? Oklahoma: This is interesting and they certainly were dominant tonight. But the truth is the SEC is considered better than the Big 12 and losing to Colorado is a glaring loss. USC: Okay, I know that college football is the good old boy's club. I know it is corrupt. But if I actually see USC #2 in the BCS tomorrow I swear off this crackpot sport forever. A team that lost to Stanford and has maybe 1 good win on the year (AZ State) cannot make any serious claim to the national title. Yet I still hear morons like Herbstreit somehow trying to put USC's name in the hat despite them being by far the worst of these serious contenders. Can anyone seriously make any feasible case for USC over any of the other teams listed here? Hell, I'd put WVU in the title game over USC even after that crap tonight (Pitt sucks but they're still better than Stanford, and USF ended up being better than Oregon). Hell, I'd put Mizzou in it over USC as well with 2 losses to a powerful OU. In fact the only 2 loss team I'd put USC over is Arizona St. because USC beat them. In conclusion, we'll likely get Ohio St. vs. LSU. That's like rooting for either gonorrhea or syphillis.

I'd actually say Mitchum's best villain role was in Cape Fear. He goes out like kind of a wuss in Night of the Hunter, but I've never cared for the ending of that movie at all.

Here is my point: We all know Edge is just jobbing to UT anyway at WM, so what is the point in UT being champ to retain? I just know we'll hear some idiotic rumor that Edge is going to end the streak only to see him job. Besides, a part of me wants to see both members of Rated RKO as champs going into WM and then both of them lose.

That was certainly different. They couldn't have put a sub in and let him run to the bathroom? Okay check this out. The U of L vs. UK rivalry is even weirder than these various ACC rivalries. NC St. fans disliking UNC and being jealous of their success makes sense to me. But the truly bizarre part about U of L/UK is that I'd say most of the hatred is on the Kentucky side. How weird is it that the #1 winningest program in basketball is constantly obsessed and paranoid about "little brother" Louisville? UK fans talk down or trash U of L, and while I think there's a fringe part of the U of L fanbase that feels this way for the most part I think U of L fans are much more tolerant. Quite a few are even fans of UK on some level when they aren't playing U of L.

The curious aspect of that is old people with bad vision are precisely who should have HD.

Haha! U of L somehow managed to storm back and beat those Rutgers douchebags 41-38 on a last minute FG. I don't think U of L even led until that point during the game. This has been a wretched season for Cards fans but this one does feel pretty damn good. If there was one game I wanted to win all year, this was it.

Would you cheer for Wake Forest? I wonder, what is more convoluted: North Carolina basketball allegiances (UNC, Duke, NC St., Wake) or Kentucky/Louisville allegiances? I'd have to go with Carolina.

Thing is, what does SD do with the title scene until WM if they put the belt on UT? Is UT going to keep feuding with Batista ad nauseum, or are they going to throw in a Big Daddy V fat dude type to be filler? At least with Edge getting the title he can have a somewhat fresher matchup with Batista at the Rumble, blow that feud off, and then face UT at WM.

Maybe I forgot that Flair heel stuff in May 2002 because I was on his side in that issue with Austin. That pseudo feud was really where Austin completely jumped the shark as a character. I reasoned that I could see how Austin would dislike Vince as his boss, but Flair's demands were so much more reasonable. Austin seemed like a complete asshole who couldn't get along with anyone, rather than someone being oppressed. It's strange that I forgot about this though, since I went to a house show in May 2002 and saw Flair in a handicapped match against Austin. It was the first time I had ever seen Flair in person.

UT defending going into WM makes zero sense though. It makes more sense to put it on Edge now and build to UT going after him and beating his ass for the belt at WM. It should be title vs. streak rather than UT having both title and streak.

I took a look on www.realtimerpi.com and compared OSU with WVU. WVU was #2 and OSU was #3 overall, with WVU having an SOS of 5 and OSU with an SOS of 12. As noted the losses for both are comparable, though OSU lost at home while WVU lost at USF. The one thing I will say is that OSU has played more teams out of the top 100 (4) than WVU has (2). So I would give WVU a slight edge in overall profile, with Mizzou #1 right now. Am I the only one who thinks Missouri vs. WVU is a fascinating matchup? OSU vs. WVU just has zero heat to me, whereas if you have Missouri/WVU then you do the Rose with OSU vs. USC and that is obviously the hyped #2 BCS game.

RVD/Rey vs. Kenzo/Dupree might be decent enough, but I can only wonder how cool that RVD/Rey team could have been had they teamed longer and had any decent guys to wrestle. Isn't that also the PPV where Cena absolutely destroys Jesus?

Enigma, the thing is I don't recall Flair exactly going heel at that point. In fact it was fairly soon after that RVD/UT match when Flair lost control of Raw to Vince (this being when Austin walked out). Flair may have been going heel but Vince beating him for control of Raw put that on hold. The wild thing is that Van Dam semi teamed with Flair on and off in the Summer of 2002, and then Flair did in fact turn heel on RVD at Unforgiven 2002. So not only did Flair restart the UT match, he also flat out cost RVD the title against HHH.

WWE must not have been amazed by the reaction to the bogus RVD title win over UT. Thing is, what were they expecting? UT's foot was on the ropes and when does RVD ever get a win with the Rolling Thunder? If I had been there I would have been mostly puzzled and then expecting the exact Dusty Finish that occurred. The sad thing about RVD's 2006 run is that the storyline in theory was right there and could have been so brilliant. A solid Rumble finish (4th), getting ripped off in the WM tourney by HHH, finally winning a MITB match at WM where he can name his time and place....then using it at the ECW ONS PPV where it's to his advantage. What was the whole point in RVD jobbing to HHH in the WM tourney rather than the obvious jobbing candidate in that match, The Big Show, who seemed to be in it literally to lose and blow off that HHH feud? The only reason I could think of is that HHH would win at WM and then RVD would cash in the MITB against him and finally get the win over HHH.

In all fairness UConn did actually finish above Cincy in the Big East standings due to that U of L screwjob win they had. Both were 9-3 overall but UConn was 5-2 in conf. while Cincy was 4-3. I was hoping for irony's sake that U of L would somehow end up in the Papa John's bowl, but the suckage was too great.

Oh god, Armageddon 2003???? Why on earth would they want to show such an utter piece of shit PPV?? We have Evolution basically winning all the belts on that show, including HHH burying both Kane and Goldberg (in GB's case I didn't really mind) and the beginning of Orton's push from hell when he beat RVD for the IC belt. Add to it that my brother got really sick with the flu while watching that PPV and that night was horrible. As far as the Big Ones go, I have Starrcade 1992 from a previous 24/7 airing. Got the DX PPV from a previous airing. And Armageddon 2004 likely sucks so much I wouldn't want to see it.

I didn't think ONS II was a particularly great moment at all. I'd been waiting since roughly 1999 for RVD to finally win a world title. I saw his potential huge feud with Taz get pissed away when Taz signed with the WWF. I saw his feud with Mike Awesome get pissed away due to RVD's leg injury and Awesome bolting for WCW. Then the various screwjobs that prevented RVD in WWE from winning the title. So FINALLY I was going to get what I wanted, namely RVD winning the title. But they just kinda botched the whole affair. First off, I never wanted Cena in that match. HHH should have been this asshole heel (thus getting a proper crowd reaction and not a bunch of people who legit hate a guy), HHH could have run down ECW and RVD, said he wasn't main event material. But this time RVD wins the match on his home turf, no interference. Instead we get this crap with Cena that essentially turned RVD and ECW in general into a bunch of pseudo heels and we get the lame "Can Cena overcome the odds???" bullshit. And then we have Edge run in and basically hand RVD the title with a run in. Add in that the match itself was all about Cena and the crowd shitting on him....RVD almost became an afterthought in what was in theory his crowning moment. I envisioned that match being something where RVD busted out every crazed move in his arsenal, both guys kicked out of finishers, Van Dam flipped into the 5th row on Cena, kicked out of the FU, made the ropes on the STFU, Cena kicks out of the 5 Star and the Van Daminator....but finally RVD hits the Van Terminator and that is something no one gets out of. I ask you, isn't my booking better than what they actually did in that match?

Mark Henry and Big Daddy V as a team? Get the belts off of Miz and Morrison and onto these guys pronto. Maybe have them put on masks and be the New Doom. Of course we'd know who they are, but that's what makes it cool.