The Old School questions thread

[Aero 0]

What was the reasoning for the original splitting between Savage and Elizabeth?

 

When Savage was teaming with Hogan as the Mega Powers, he began to think that Liz had a relationship with Hogan, which is also part of the reason the Mega Powers broke up, anyway. I'm sure someone else may have more info to add to that.

 

How did Savage end up losing a career ending match only to face the Warrior the following year at Summerslam?

 

Savage & Liz got "married" at Summerslam 91. During the reception, Jake Roberts and Undertaker crashed and wrecked everything. Jake started his feud with Savage from there, and that lead to Jake tying Savage in the ropes and having his snake tear up his arm. From there, Jack Tunney reinstated Savage so the they could have a match at the Tuesday in Texas PPV. After that, Savage just stayed reinstated.

[MDH257 0]

Savage had lost the retirement match because he was going to legit retire and start a family with Liz, but I guess that paln didn't work out because he decided to wrestle again after only a few months.

[cawthon777 0]

If I remember correctly from reading Piper's book, he and Savage were put back on the road in the fall of 91 because Vince needed more drawing names at the house shows. On top of that, Sid Justice - who Vince clearly had a lot invested in - was out with an injury. So he had to fill some spots.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

I love you to death Cawthon, but having read Piper's book.... I dunno how much of his stuff during certain parts can be verified.

[cawthon777 0]

I love you to death Cawthon, but having read Piper's book.... I dunno how much of his stuff during certain parts can be verified.

 

Oh, I totally agree with you there. But the WWF wasn't exactly selling out every arena at that point so the explanation would make sense.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I'm pretty sure WWF really did need to bring them back during that period. Wasn't Hogan gone as well at that point? Also, Piper proved useful when Bret Hart got sick, which led to Piper's IC title reign.

[Slickster 0]

Who was the 'Undertaker' who rose to the rafters at Royal Rumble 1994?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I believe it was Marty Jannetty.

[King Kamala 0]

Alright, I've got a couple questions related to each other, I've heard that The Brothers of Destruction were supposed to face Haku and Rikishi at WrestleMania XVII. But it obviously got replaced by Triple H Vs The Undertaker. Now why did it get replaced by that? Was it because there was nobody else interesting to feud with Triple H for the biggest show of the year? Or was it because Vince thought the Brothers of Destruction Vs Samoans match would suck?

 

 

Second thought, what were the Samoans doing during WrestleMania? Less than six months earlier, Rikishi was in one of the biggest angles of the year and now he wasn't even involved in the card. Did injuried keep them off the card

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I think Rikishi got injured. He was injured at some point that year, so it might have been then, which would explain his not being on the card.

[alfdogg 0]

From cawthon's site

 

Big John Studd pinned Akeem after a bodyslam; due to the poorness of their matches, Studd was told before the match that if he was unable to slam Akeem then he would be let go

I'm not quite sure I understand this...Studd had to pick up Akeem without his assistance, or what?

[Guest jm29195]

I think Rikishi got injured. He was injured at some point that year, so it might have been then, which would explain his not being on the card.

 

Rikishi got injured with a seperated shoulder after taking the ddt that Taker uses on fat guys, that put him out from February until just before Judgment Day, when he was brought back as a face against Stephanie, and lost to Regal in the opener of that ppv.....

[cawthon777 0]

From cawthon's site

 

Big John Studd pinned Akeem after a bodyslam; due to the poorness of their matches, Studd was told before the match that if he was unable to slam Akeem then he would be let go

I'm not quite sure I understand this...Studd had to pick up Akeem without his assistance, or what?

 

That came straight from the Observer. I think he was just out of shape at the time and the WWF wanted at least one spot in the match the crowd wouldn't crap on.

[Slickster 0]

I believe it was Marty Jannetty.

 

See, I never knew if that was just another Scott Keith Fake Newsbit™ that was repeated until it was accepted as fact or if there was any actual truth to it.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

No, I'm pretty sure I've read elsewhere that it was indeed Jannetty, though I have no sources to cite.

[10 Pounds 0]

You know the same guys who always were in the front row at the ECW Arena ? I know there is Hat Guy with the haiwaiian shirt in the middle and Sign Guy to his right. But what was the name of the old guy with the shades to his left and the name of another one with shades, but with long dark hair a few seats from their places ? He hugs Foley in the tribute video after No Way Out 2000.

 

I know there is one called "Faith No More Guy", but is it one of those two ?

[Guest Hass of Pain]

I believe it was Marty Jannetty.

 

See, I never knew if that was just another Scott Keith Fake Newsbit™ that was repeated until it was accepted as fact or if there was any actual truth to it.

 

It actually was Jannetty, I've heard him talk about it in an interview before.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

When Rhino first entered ECW, was he a face?

 

I saw him working as a face in a tag match at a ECW house show in early 1999. However, the 1st time I saw him on TV, he was a heel w/ Corino/Victory. Did he set that up w/ a heel turn or was he just working as a face to fill a spot?

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Didn't Rhino debut as a heel goon for Cyrus as part of "The Network", or am I mistaken?

[MillenniumMan831 0]

He was around before The Network in a faction w/ Corino and a wheelchair bound Jack Victory.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

He was around before The Network in a faction w/ Corino and a wheelchair bound Jack Victory.

And Tajiri....

 

That essentially dissolved into the network, though, right?

[JimmyHendricks 0]

At the 1995 Royal Rumble, Bob Holly and the 1-2-3 Kid won the tag team belts, then promptly dropped them the next night on RAW to the Smoking Gunns. A few weeks later on RAW there was a rematch between the two teams. The Kid tried some move off the top rope, missed and landed ackwardly, and seemed to go into a seizure. There was a close up of his face (with his eyes rolling back) and Vince muttered "He's in trouble" and they cut to a commercial.

 

When the show came back, Vince gleefully announced from the announce table that the Kid got up and walked to the back under his own power. The match was never finished.

 

Now, with all that said---did Waltman really have a seizure, or was it a work? I ask this because it was never mentioned again, and we never saw the Kid and Holly tag after that. It was forgotten and never built to anything. It just seemed a little odd that it was never mentioned again, and less than a year later Shawn Michaels collapsed in a match with Owen Hart (a work) and it was played up for months.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Work.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

He was around before The Network in a faction w/ Corino and a wheelchair bound Jack Victory.

And Tajiri....

 

That essentially dissolved into the network, though, right?

 

That's true although Tajiri turned on Taz to join Corino's pre-Network stable. It was the same night Taz had the 30sec bleep on him. But yeah, they ended up w/ Cyrus in early 2000.

[Si82 0]

Work.

Why did they do it though? I mean, it didn't achive anything did it?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Work.

Why did they do it though? I mean, it didn't achive anything did it?

Best guess is that they wanted to protect Kid and not have him do so many jobs in a row.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

The Austin-Hart double turn is often referred to as the best in WWF history.....

 

I can't honestly think of any others....Fill me in?

 

 

Also, the plan for said match at Wrestlemania 13, wasnt it supposed to be Bret-HBK for the title? I realise Shawn losing his smile was a wrench in the machine, but once he said 'hell with it', how did it progress to Sid-Taker?

 

One of my favourite raws ever was two weeks before XIII when Taker slammed the cage door on Bret, preventing him from winning the title from Sid and keeping Taker in the title match at Wrestlemania...

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Also, the plan for said match at Wrestlemania 13, wasnt it supposed to be Bret-HBK for the title? I realise Shawn losing his smile was a wrench in the machine, but once he said 'hell with it', how did it progress to Sid-Taker?

 

One of my favourite raws ever was two weeks before XIII when Taker slammed the cage door on Bret, preventing him from winning the title from Sid and keeping Taker in the title match at Wrestlemania...

It was, until Shawn had one of his infamous temper tantrums and decided he wasn't going to do two high profile jobs in a row.

 

If you mean why they went with Sid vs. Taker, then that was down to Vince, as he always goes with big men when he panics.

[MDH257 0]

Vince got nervious about business being down, so he thought putting "big guys" in the WM main event would boot buisness. He decided that Shawn would lose the title to Sid and the WM 13 main event would be Undertaker vs Sid for the title with Bret vs Shawn (no titles, just a one on one match) on the undercard.

The night Shawn was going to lose to Sid, he suffered a "career ending knee injury" and "lost his smile". Therefore, getting out of dropping the title to Sid and jobbing to Bret at WM.

[Guest Bulldogs'86]

Sorry of any of these already have been asked...

 

1) Were the Steiner Brothers' two title victories for the WWF tag belts televised? I've never seen footage of these matches with IRS and I'm curious as to whether the title changes occurred at untelevised house shows.

 

 

2) Did the Road Warriors ever face the original Demolition (Ax and Smash)? If so, what was the result?

 

 

3) During the Road Warriors' prime (1983-1992), how many times were they pinned? Were the Steiners the only team to score a clean pin over the Warriors during that stretch (at Starrcade 1989)?

 

4) How many times has Hogan faced Flair one-on-one and what were the results of those matches? Was Hogan ever involved in a match with Flair in Flair's first WWF run (1991-1992/93) besides Royal Rumble '92?

 

Thanks!