The Old School questions thread

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Heel Jannetty in 1996: IIRC, the announcers started calling him and Leif Cassidy "geeks". Marty and Leif themselves were known as the "New and IMPROVED" Rockers, and since this was at a time where Shawn Michaels was the world champion it was supposed to be seen as a heelish knock on him.

 

HHH/Rock title switches: I have no memory of what the insider sources were saying about it, but a total guess answer would be to inflate their world title numbers (I think at this time, Hogan and Bret were still the only 5 time champs). This is what I remember people I went to school with speculating, anyway.

[mysterious_w 0]

A tape trader is offering a sale of a full year of Nitro for $50, and I'm really tempted to get either 97 or 98. I only started watching wrestling in Sep 98, and I could only get WWF. I want to buy a set mianly for guys like Jericho, Benoit, Luchadors and Ultimo, but I'm also really interested in the Flock angle. I'd also want a bit of WCW CRAZINESS~!, but not too much. What year should I buy?

[Guest]

There are positives and negatives about both.

 

For 97

 

1. Not as much Flock.

 

2. Better in-ring, better matches, better angles, and NWO was at it's peak. If you can't stand the NWO angle, don't buy either. It's ALL OVER both years of tapes.

 

3. They didn't show nearly as much on free TV as they did in 98.

 

For 98

 

1. You had better be prepared to get the Thunder tapes.

 

2. Best of 7, also why you need those tapes.

 

3. The product is reaching retardedness toward the end of 98.

 

4. The Flock is on the tapes more

 

 

I'd pick 98, because I find it more enjoyable. But, with the requirements that you've stated, go 97. If you can stand MONGO. A majority of the workers you mentioned were doing more at that time, but that being said, they didn't give time to any matches in that 97-98 period, ever. But see, I don't mind that because they were still doing things creatively that were fun.

[Boxer 0]

After posting something in another thread about Shawn Michaels and The Rock, what was the original reason for the heat between the two? I believe it has something to do with HHH?

The HHH-related heat between Rock and Shawn basically stems from the time when Rock and Hunter were being built up to eventually take the top spot, with Shawn backing Hunter and trying to stop Rock from getting that position. There's the often told story from that time period, and this is around 1997, when Bret was booked to beat Rock clean via sharpshooter on Raw. Bret felt Rock was the future and didn't think he should beat him clean and got the finish changed to Rock winning via disqualification. This pissed off Shawn for a couple of reasons, one of them being that he was the one who pushed for Bret to win clean, and he wasn't doing it to build Bret up by any means. Rock appreciated what Bret did for him, which is why he always speaks highly of him. Rock is also aware of who came up with that finish and why.

 

Seems like either the WWF locker room was filled with tension or the Bret-Shawn rivalry took on new heights in 1997. It sounds to me like there were practically two camps in the WWF locker room at the time, DX and Bret Hart and the rest of the company with McMahon in the middle.

[dh86 0]

How the hell did Debra become Rock's manager in early 2001?

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

I seem to recall it being mandated by an authority figure, either Regal or Vince. It didn't add a thing to the Austin/Rock feud and was pretty silly, so it was dropped quickly after.

[CanadianChris 0]

I seem to recall it being mandated by an authority figure, either Regal or Vince. It didn't add a thing to the Austin/Rock feud and was pretty silly, so it was dropped quickly after.

It was Vince. They did a bit where Debra said she wanted to get back into managing, and Vince surprised her by telling her she was Rock's new manager.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I seem to recall it being mandated by an authority figure, either Regal or Vince. It didn't add a thing to the Austin/Rock feud and was pretty silly, so it was dropped quickly after.

 

It added a bit, but it was for the video package treatment. Stone Cold warned the Rock that if something happened to Debra, something happened to The Rock. IIRC, Angle got Debra in the Ankle Lock and The Rock received a Stunner afterwards for it.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

I seem to recall it being mandated by an authority figure, either Regal or Vince. It didn't add a thing to the Austin/Rock feud and was pretty silly, so it was dropped quickly after.

 

It added a bit, but it was for the video package treatment. Stone Cold warned the Rock that if something happened to Debra, something happened to The Rock. IIRC, Angle got Debra in the Ankle Lock and The Rock received a Stunner afterwards for it.

 

Also when she came back then Jarrett was long gone so it was safe to kayfabe the fact that Austin and Debra were RL (at the time obviously) husband and wife. IIRC she hadn't been on TV since Jarrett left.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

She had a match at Survivor Series 99 and gave did a drunken oppening bout ring announcing gig at Backlash 2000 (which happened to have an Austin appearance) but yeah, I think she mostly stayed home with Steve until he came back (at which point she became the Deputy of SmackDown or some such with Sherrif Mick Foley).

[Epic Reine 0]

1. What was the kayfabe reason (I know the real reason) for Shawn Michaels taking over for Jerry Lawler's team at Survivor Series '93?

 

2. Who were the wrestlers who played the Knights in that match?

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

1. What was the kayfabe reason (I know the real reason) for Shawn Michaels taking over for Jerry Lawler's team at Survivor Series '93?

 

2. Who were the wrestlers who played the Knights in that match?

 

Hey I asked this once!

 

From what I can recall, nothing really. They may have had Shawn run down Stu & Helen before hand to interject himself into the match. They may have also brought up the year before where champ Bret faced IC champ HBK the year before.

 

IIRC Glenn "Kane" Jacobs was one, not sure of the others.

[Timmy8271 0]

1. What was the kayfabe reason (I know the real reason) for Shawn Michaels taking over for Jerry Lawler's team at Survivor Series '93?

 

2. Who were the wrestlers who played the Knights in that match?

 

Hey I asked this once!

 

From what I can recall, nothing really. They may have had Shawn run down Stu & Helen before hand to interject himself into the match. They may have also brought up the year before where champ Bret faced IC champ HBK the year before.

 

IIRC Glenn "Kane" Jacobs was one, not sure of the others.

 

Jeff Gaylord, Greg Valentine and I think Barry Horwitz.

[Guest TheFabulousJakey]

(at which point she became the Deputy of SmackDown or some such with Sherrif Mick Foley).

 

She was the "Lt. Commissioner" to be precise.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

1. What was the kayfabe reason (I know the real reason) for Shawn Michaels taking over for Jerry Lawler's team at Survivor Series '93?

 

Michaels said he had unfinished business with The Hitman. He wanted revenge for the loss to Bret the previous year at SSeries.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Potential stupid question: What was the real reason? They didn't have heat back then, did they, or not to the degree that's been so documented?

[Aero 0]

Lawler was accused of rape, I think, shortly before the PPV, so he couldn't be there. HBK, returning after his contract dispute, was just a logical replacement due to the unfinished business mentioned above. I might be wrong, but I don't think they had any big heat back then.

[CanadianChris 0]

Potential stupid question: What was the real reason? They didn't have heat back then, did they, or not to the degree that's been so documented?

Lawler was accused (falsely, as it turned out) of statutory rape and sodomy of a minor less than two weeks before the PPV. Vince had to plug someone believable into the match on very short notice, and HBK was the most logical choice.

[Richard 0]

I seem to recall it being mandated by an authority figure, either Regal or Vince. It didn't add a thing to the Austin/Rock feud and was pretty silly, so it was dropped quickly after.

 

It added a bit, but it was for the video package treatment. Stone Cold warned the Rock that if something happened to Debra, something happened to The Rock. IIRC, Angle got Debra in the Ankle Lock and The Rock received a Stunner afterwards for it.

 

Also when she came back then Jarrett was long gone so it was safe to kayfabe the fact that Austin and Debra were RL (at the time obviously) husband and wife. IIRC she hadn't been on TV since Jarrett left.

 

Debra actually turned face before JJ left. She hit him with a guitar at Unforgiven.

[Epic Reine 0]

Potential stupid question: What was the real reason? They didn't have heat back then, did they, or not to the degree that's been so documented?

Lawler was accused (falsely, as it turned out) of statutory rape and sodomy of a minor less than two weeks before the PPV. Vince had to plus someone believable into the match on very short notice, and HBK was the most logical choice.

 

Did they ever kayfabe Lawler's absence?

[Guest Lee_The_Pea]

Potential stupid question: What was the real reason? They didn't have heat back then, did they, or not to the degree that's been so documented?

Lawler was accused (falsely, as it turned out) of statutory rape and sodomy of a minor less than two weeks before the PPV. Vince had to plus someone believable into the match on very short notice, and HBK was the most logical choice.

 

Did they ever kayfabe Lawler's absence?

No at the time, it all happened pretty quickly, for well over a month Lawler was advertised, then with about a week to go before the event SM is magicly in his spot. There was no angle or anything really except maybe a snide promo by Micheals. PWI tried to cover up the lack of angle by saying that Shawn sent Helen dead roses and thats why he was put in the match.

[Boxer 0]

Ok, seriously here, this is one of the questions I really want to know the answer to.

 

Why did the WWF/Undertaker make DDP look like such a bitch? Say what you want about him calling matches, but he was a WCW mainstay and a main eventer for about 4-5 years and then he comes to the WWF and looks like crap? Why did they have to bury him THAT bad. That right there, at least to me, is one of the WORST burial jobs I've seen the WWF do to any wrestler STILL on the active roster and isn't planning to leave.

[Epic Reine 0]

DDP didn't know how to work WWE style and Taker didn't like him so he went out of his way to make him look bad at every encounter they had.

[Diamonddust 0]

Why did the WWF/Undertaker make DDP look like such a bitch? Say what you want about him calling matches, but he was a WCW mainstay and a main eventer for about 4-5 years and then he comes to the WWF and looks like crap?

 

I think you just answered your own question.

[Guest]

It's not so much him being a main eventer in WCW, it's him being tougher than hell to work with. His body was broken down too.

[Guest Hasbeen2]

Who wore the masks as the Super Destroyers in the 92 era ECW? Big, tall and agile guys on a couple of old tapes I've seen recently, won the tag belts. This was about the same time Jimmy Snuka was the champ and the Sandman still used the surfboard.

[Boxer 0]

It's not so much him being a main eventer in WCW, it's him being tougher than hell to work with. His body was broken down too.

 

I don't know it if has ever happened, but I would've love to see a Stone Cold vs. DDP match for the WWF or WCW title, whichever one works. I think Austin and DDP would have a decent match that could draw some pay per view buys.

[CanadianChris 0]

Who wore the masks as the Super Destroyers in the 92 era ECW? Big, tall and agile guys on a couple of old tapes I've seen recently, won the tag belts. This was about the same time Jimmy Snuka was the champ and the Sandman still used the surfboard.

Doug Stahl and A.J. Petrucci.

[King Kamala 0]

A tape trader is offering a sale of a full year of Nitro for $50, and I'm really tempted to get either 97 or 98. I only started watching wrestling in Sep 98, and I could only get WWF. I want to buy a set mianly for guys like Jericho, Benoit, Luchadors and Ultimo, but I'm also really interested in the Flock angle. I'd also want a bit of WCW CRAZINESS~!, but not too much. What year should I buy?

 

If it's available, get '96 instead. There's probably a couple months worth of crap at the beginning with the shitty Hogan Vs 2/3rds of the heels in the company feud but the last six months of the year are easily better than anything in '97 or '98

[canadafour 0]

Was there any real heat between Taz and Sabu in ECW in the 90's???