Survivor Series 2003 Results and Ratings

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Well?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

(Heat) Tajiri def. Jamie Noble - **1/2

 

Team Angle def. Team Brock - *** (a bit rushed but hot crowd and full of action most of the time., Benoit made Brock tap!!!!)

 

Molly def. Lita - Didn't watch but Molly is hot.

 

Kane def. Shane - Somewhere between ** & ***, I wanna re-watch it to get an honest opinion.

 

Bashams def. Guerreros - Didn't pay attention

 

Team Bischoff def. Team Austin - ***1/2 Once all dead weight was gone it was good.

 

McMahon def. Undertaker - **

 

Goldberg def. HHH - **

[cawthon777 0]

The only problems I had with it - and they were minor - was Hardcore Holly being DQ'ed before the match even began and Shane not blading in the ambulance match.

 

His beatdown was nothing compared to the blood HBK and Vince shed.

 

Yay

- Brock tapping to the Crossface

- Cena wins the opening match

- Molly, who got a decent match out of Lita, wins

- Goldberg destroys all of Evolution

- Orton is the sole survivor of a very solid match with a ton of heat

 

Nay

- the Ambulance match and the cameras going out backstage (when will they learn that any match that goes backstage will lose heat with the crowd?)

- Shane not being decapitated

- Tajiri / Knoble gets bumped to Heat so they can do a lame segment with the local good guy ... although he did sustain a RKO ... that was funny

[Guest Anglesault]

They spent the whole night trying to get Randy Orton over.

 

They failed BIG TIME.

 

And Shane ruined Kane in a boring as all hell match.

 

Otherwise, fun-ish type show.

[Guest ian.]

didnt really watch the heat match

 

team angle vs team lesnar- ***, very hot crowd

 

molly vs lita- *

 

kane vs shane- *** for being kinda violent

 

rock em sock em bash ems vs los mexican stereotypes- *

 

team bischoff vs team austin- ***3/4

 

vince vs taker- ***, dont know why but i really got into this match

 

goldberg vs hhh- 1/2*

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

(Heat) Tajiri def. Jamie Noble - never saw

 

Team Angle def. Team Brock - never saw

 

Molly def. Lita - never saw

 

Kane def. Shane - 1/2*

 

Bashams def. Guerreros - **

 

Team Bischoff def. Team Austin - *** (only for end sequence, rest was shit)

 

McMahon def. Undertaker - * (great ending)

 

Goldberg def. HHH - ***3/4

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- HeAT Match: Tajiri retained the CW Title against Jamie Knoble **

 

1) Team Angle defeated Team Lesnar **1/2

SURVIVORS: Cena and Benoit

NOTE: Benoit made Brock tap to the Crossface/Cena F-Ued Show

 

2) Molly Holly retained her Women's Title against Lita *

NOTE: Surprising win by Molly.

 

3) Kane beat Shane McMahon in an Ambalance Match *1/2

NOTE: Very anti-climatic, slow match, nothing notable

 

4) The Bashams kept their Tag Team Titles against Los Guerreros **1/2

NOTE: The Eddy/Chavo tension continued, but didn't erupt

 

5) Team Bischoff beat Team Austin ***1/4

SURVIVOR: Randy Orton

NOTE: HEAVY bladejob by HBK/Batista gets the assist on the win

 

6) Vince McMahon defeated The Undertaker in a Buried Alive Match *1/2

NOTE: Kane aided Vince in defeated the 'Taker

 

7) Goldberg retained against Triple H *1/2

NOTE: Nothing, bad match

[Michrome 0]

Nothing topped ***, but it was a fun night with lots of blood and violence. Taker-Vince and Berg-Hunter were god-awful, the raw ss tag was great once it was Shawn vs. The World.

 

Benoit making Lesnar tap was GREAT.

[JN News 0]

Here my prediction for RAW. Since HHH lost to Goldberg again tonight, despite the fact he got his shoulder up at the last second, HHH will get a rematch tommorrow night on RAW. One of two things will happen then.

 

 

 

1.Since Kane beat Shane, he'll probably challenge for the World Heavyweight Title. He'll interfere in the rematch between Goldberg & HHH, chokeslam the ref, causing the match to get thrown out. Then he'll attack both HHH & Goldberg, and then he'll grab the World Title and raise it up in the air, signaling that he wants a title shot at Armaggeddon.

 

 

 

2.HHH will get his rematch, and win the World Title back as a reward for his "genorous" jobbing. Oh, that, and he'll cut a long, boring, 60 minute promo, telling everyone how great he is.

 

 

 

There's my prediction for RAW, tommorrow night. Your thoughts?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Here my prediction for RAW. Since HHH lost to Goldberg again tonight, despite the fact he got his shoulder up at the last second, HHH will get a rematch tommorrow night on RAW. One of two things will happen then.

 

 

 

1.Since Kane beat Shane, he'll probably challenge for the World Heavyweight Title. He'll interfere in the rematch between Goldberg & HHH, chokeslam the ref, causing the match to get thrown out. Then he'll attack both HHH & Goldberg, and then he'll grab the World Title and raise it up in the air, signaling that he wants a title shot at Armaggeddon.

 

 

 

2.HHH will get his rematch, and win the World Title back as a reward for his "genorous" jobbing.

 

 

 

There's my prediction for RAW, tommorrow night. Your thoughts?

See my thread about everyones predictions for Survivor Series and you'll find my answer.

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Fun show, totally enjoyed it.

Team Lesnar vs. Team Angle: Suprised they put this one on first. The right people were eliminated quickly (although a little odd that Hardcore Holly wasnt in the match at all, him and Brock could have had a fun exchange), lots of clean eliminations, Benoit tapped Brock clean, Cena looked good. ***

Molly vs. Lita, an ok women's match. Don't get the ending. I guess they're not confident enough with Lita. *1/2

Shane vs. Kane. Had some sick bumps with the ambulence, and unlike last time Kane decisevly beat Shane. I want to re-watch this one though since my webcast kept freezing. **1/2

Bashams vs. Guerreros: This one didn't do too much for me, and they shook it up with Eddy teasing the turn at the end. *3/4

Team Austin vs. Team Bischoff: Good, well paced match, with Shawn bleeding like a freakin pig. Effective ending. The Austin interview to end it was actually pretty touching and his beat down on coach was a satisfying way to end it. ***1/2

Undertaker vs. Vince: Not much to the match but Vince actually one upped Shawn by bleeding like a stuck pig+! Just sick. Big spot at the end was Kane's explosion and burial. Entertaining enough but not much for a match. *

Goldberg vs. HHH: I seriously need to rewatch this one (waiting for the replay to be put up) because my computer went haywire freezing a jumping through most of it. I am SHOCKED though at the finish. I can't believe HHH put over Goldber clean for the second time in a row. I would have guessed any other ending than that. Anything can happen in WWE I guess...otherwise seemed better than their last match with Goldberg selling the ankle well while still looking like a monster. **1/2

Oh, I can't say I see the point of the Marc Cuban segment. They cut Knoble/Tajiri off the show for that? It didnt do much for Orton like they wanted it to. I think WWE just wants to get on sportcenter, even though they'll just ridicule everyone involved...

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What would everyone rate the show, out of 5?

 

I give it a solid, 3.

[Guest ManKinnd]

Team Brock/Team Angle - **1/2. Way too quick but fun while it lasted.

 

Lita/Molly - *. Pretty whateverish.

 

Kane/Shane - ***. Fun brawl with nice spots. Shane has now done two spotfests with Kane that were better than the one RVD did with him at Slam.

 

Team Austin/Team Bischoff - ****1/4. Excellent storytelling and pacing. Very effective and very dramatic. I loved every second of it.

 

Vince/Taker - 1/4*. Oh my god soooooo slow. Blood was good, and the Kane thing was inevitable.

 

HHH/Berg - 1/2*. I really can't stand the matches between these two.

 

Overall: Despite the last hour of shittiness, this was a really fun PPV.

[tpww7 0]

Out of 5?

 

A 2.

 

Best match was Raw tag at ***.

[The Mandarin 0]

(Heat) Tajiri def. Jamie Noble - **1/2 Too short.

 

Team Angle def. Team Brock - ***1/2 Nice. Would have been higher rating with proper buildup, because I really care about a lot of the wrestlers in that match.

 

Molly def. Lita - *** Great Women's action. Molly was amazing.

 

Kane def. Shane - *3/4 Lots of violence. That's about it. No wrestling.

 

Bashams def. Guerreros - ** Yeah. It was..there.

 

Team Bischoff def. Team Austin - ***1/2 Just as good as the opening match.

 

McMahon def. Undertaker - ** Better than Kane/Shane, but that's all.

 

Goldberg def. HHH - **3/4 Did it's job in making Goldberg look awesome. That's all, though.

 

Great show. It was really fun, and bloody.

[Guest MikeSC]

Missed Heat --- but here are thoughts on the show:

 

1) Lita REALLY needs to stop with her moonsault. She's gonna kill herself eventually. Arguably the worst women's match I've seen on a Survivor Series. On the plus side, it does make me appreciate all the more the extrememy underrated Victoria v Trish match from last year. Why couldn't they stick THIS on Heat instead of the CW match?

 

2) The Mark Cuban segment WAS embarrassing --- but only because Mark can play to the crowd better than almost the entire WWE face roster right now and he sold the RKO better than most, as well.

 

3) I hope everybody calling for more survivor series-style matches saw how dull, tedious, and pointless they were. The opening match had no real point whatsoever, except to show that Morgan seemed kinda lost out there.

 

4) Why does the WWE have the Texas boys ALL lose whenever they have a show in Texas?

 

5) Michaels can tap a geyser, can't he? Jesus.

 

6) I guess Booker won't be sniffing gold anytime soon. What Mark Henry has over him, outside of the biggest breasts in the company, is lost on me. I think Henry COULD be an effective Vader-style monster --- but the WWE won't push him as such and, thus, he'll never be bought as such.

 

7) Vince can tap a geyser, can't he?

 

8) Deadest Dallas crowd in years tonight, BTW.

 

9) Goldberg couldn't sell death. RVD sells better. I loved his whole "my ankle has been shattered and REALLY hurts --- well, except when I press slam a guy into a powerslam or hop around after a Spear."

 

10) The tag title match wasn't horrid --- but it wasn't anything special, either. Why not stick the Bashams with a team they CAN look good with (i.e a team that REALLY doesn't have a real chance to beat them) instead of the Guerreros? You're trying to build them as legit --- give them a few patsies. Bashams v Rey & Kidman or even Rey v Ultimo would have worked nicely)

 

Worst Survivor Series since the 1998 version, honestly.

-=Mike

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What did the opener do to deserve *** 1/2?

 

It was like **- ** 1/2 tops. It felt like it was rushed through, there were a few signature spots and a little work that led to nothing.

[Guest MikeSC]

What would everyone rate the show, out of 5?

 

I give it a solid, 3.

I'd give it about a 1.5 --- MAYBE a 2. Just not that good.

 

The RAW tag match didn't do much for me. Then again, they had Henry pin Booker as the first elimination.

-=Mike

[The Mandarin 0]

What did the opener do to deserve *** 1/2?

 

It was like **- ** 1/2 tops. It felt like it was rushed through, there were a few signature spots and a little work that led to nothing.

Built up some future matches while being entertaining, while protecting top guys.

 

It could have been longer, but for what it was, it was good. Cena's FU gets another 1/4* in itself.

 

Maybe I'm biased, because I'm very big on Cena, Angle and Brock, but I thought it just really clicked.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

What would everyone rate the show, out of 5?

 

I give it a solid, 3.

I'd give it about a 1.5 --- MAYBE a 2. Just not that good.

 

The RAW tag match didn't do much for me. Then again, they had Henry pin Booker as the first elimination.

-=Mike

Actually Booker pinned Steiner first. But Booker was the first elimination from Team Austin if thats what you meant.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Victoria Vs. Trish Stratus from Survivor Series 2002 is AWFUL. I have watched it a few times, and watched it at my house with friends who had seen it for the first time.

 

This is just my opinion, though.

 

But they (and they're pretty smart fans...) LAUGHED at how awful it was. Blown spots, a blown finish, and just weak storytelling.

 

Sorry dude, a few stiff pan shots do not a good match make.

 

Although Trish/Vicky/Jazz was really great, IMO.

[Guest MikeSC]

Victoria Vs. Trish Stratus from Survivor Series 2002 is AWFUL. I have watched it a few times, and watched it at my house with friends who had seen it for the first time.

 

This is just my opinion, though.

 

But they (and they're pretty smart fans...) LAUGHED at how awful it was. Blown spots, a blown finish, and just weak storytelling.

 

Sorry dude, a few stiff pan shots do not a good match make.

 

Although Trish/Vicky/Jazz was really great, IMO.

Victoria v Trish was a decent match. Didn't drag, the blown spots were not that noticeable. Biggest beef was the finish seemed to come completely out of nowhere.

 

I know the smarks laughed at it. Hence the term underrated.

 

And God knows it was worlds better than Molly v Lita.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

What would everyone rate the show, out of 5?

 

I give it a solid, 3.

I'd give it about a 1.5 --- MAYBE a 2. Just not that good.

 

The RAW tag match didn't do much for me. Then again, they had Henry pin Booker as the first elimination.

-=Mike

Actually Booker pinned Steiner first. But Booker was the first elimination from Team Austin if thats what you meant.

That is what I meant. Why a DUDLEY BOY couldn't be the opening elimination is lost on me.

 

I'm not claiming that Booker is GREAT or anything --- but he should not have been out first on that team.

-=Mike

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

9) Goldberg couldn't sell death. RVD sells better. I loved his whole "my ankle has been shattered and REALLY hurts --- well, except when I press slam a guy into a powerslam or hop around after a Spear."

You're an idiot, he was selling it the whole fucking match. What do you expect him to do?

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1) Lita REALLY needs to stop with her moonsault. She's gonna kill herself eventually. Arguably the worst women's match I've seen on a Survivor Series. On the plus side, it does make me appreciate all the more the extrememy underrated Victoria v Trish match from last year. Why couldn't they stick THIS on Heat instead of the CW match?

 

Did you not see the women's match at Survivor Series 1999? Compared to that, Molly-Lita was Flair-Steamboat.

 

3) I hope everybody calling for more survivor series-style matches saw how dull, tedious, and pointless they were. The opening match had no real point whatsoever, except to show that Morgan seemed kinda lost out there.

 

The SD elimination match was horribly booked. The eliminations for the Raw one were also horrible, but at least the story they were telling for it salvaged it.

 

6) I guess Booker won't be sniffing gold anytime soon. What Mark Henry has over him, outside of the biggest breasts in the company, is lost on me. I think Henry COULD be an effective Vader-style monster --- but the WWE won't push him as such and, thus, he'll never be bought as such.

 

If Henry had to eliminate somebody, it should have been one of the Dudleys, but he had no business eliminating anybody when even oft-injured Scott Steiner is more talented.

 

I enjoyed the show, but that was some fucked up booking there

[cawthon777 0]

8) Deadest Dallas crowd in years tonight, BTW.

 

Worst Survivor Series since the 1998 version, honestly.

We were obviously watching different shows. That crowd was super hot.

 

You're honestly saying that Survivor Series 99 and 2000 were better than this? ...With Triple H being dropped in the car by Austin?

[Guest MikeSC]

9) Goldberg couldn't sell death. RVD sells better. I loved his whole "my ankle has been shattered and REALLY hurts --- well, except when I press slam a guy into a powerslam or hop around after a Spear."

You're an idiot, he was selling it the whole fucking match. What do you expect him to do?

WATCH the match again.

 

Watch the opening.

 

Hits the Spear and what does he do?

 

Immediately jump around --- THEN limp.

 

Press slam into a power slam. No problem --- THEN limp.

 

The ending --- LIMP, LIMP --- Spear (with the hopping around again) followed by a long Jackhammer.

 

Selling sporadically --- which is what he did --- is as bad as no-selling.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

8) Deadest Dallas crowd in years tonight, BTW.

 

Worst Survivor Series since the 1998 version, honestly.

We were obviously watching different shows. That crowd was super hot.

 

You're honestly saying that Survivor Series 99 and 2000 were better than this? ...With Triple H being dropped in the car by Austin?

1999 had a decent Hardy & E & C v Hollys & whomever the heck else it was match. Better than anything on this show.

 

2000 was about this bad.

 

As for the crowd, they sounded dead to me. Could've been my TV, but for the last two hours, I noticed little but silence. UT v Vince didn't seem to have any heat --- nor did GB's entrance --- and I figured they were surebets for noise.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

1) Lita REALLY needs to stop with her moonsault. She's gonna kill herself eventually. Arguably the worst women's match I've seen on a Survivor Series. On the plus side, it does make me appreciate all the more the extrememy underrated Victoria v Trish match from last year. Why couldn't they stick THIS on Heat instead of the CW match?

 

Did you not see the women's match at Survivor Series 1999? Compared to that, Molly-Lita was Flair-Steamboat.

 

I was actually thinking of Lita v Ivory as the closest to this level of badness, but at least they had the blood which makes matches slightly more dramatic.

 

The 1999 women's match was so short that it didn't have TIME to suck like Molly v Lita. Lita is almost at Gail Kim levels of ineptitude --- though the whole skin-the-cat from the corner to the top rope spot was something different.

 

3) I hope everybody calling for more survivor series-style matches saw how dull, tedious, and pointless they were. The opening match had no real point whatsoever, except to show that Morgan seemed kinda lost out there.

 

The SD elimination match was horribly booked. The eliminations for the Raw one were also horrible, but at least the story they were telling for it salvaged it.

 

RAW's match had the story --- but didn't have the talent to do a good match. SD has the talent, but not the story (nor the time --- that match felt REALLY rushed).

 

6) I guess Booker won't be sniffing gold anytime soon. What Mark Henry has over him, outside of the biggest breasts in the company, is lost on me. I think Henry COULD be an effective Vader-style monster --- but the WWE won't push him as such and, thus, he'll never be bought as such.

 

If Henry had to eliminate somebody, it should have been one of the Dudleys, but he had no business eliminating anybody when even oft-injured Scott Steiner is more talented.

 

Agreed. It's not like the WWE can't claim that they've given Henry COUNTLESS chances. Henry should have eliminated D-Von (who couldn't draw heat without gasoline and matches) rather than Booker. I'd say Bubba --- but darn it, Bubba is actually better in the ring and the crowd eats him up.

-=Mike

[HellSpawn 0]

9) Goldberg couldn't sell death. RVD sells better. I loved his whole "my ankle has been shattered and REALLY hurts --- well, except when I press slam a guy into a powerslam or hop around after a Spear."

You're an idiot, he was selling it the whole fucking match. What do you expect him to do?

WATCH the match again.

 

Watch the opening.

 

Hits the Spear and what does he do?

 

Immediately jump around --- THEN limp.

 

Press slam into a power slam. No problem --- THEN limp.

 

The ending --- LIMP, LIMP --- Spear (with the hopping around again) followed by a long Jackhammer.

 

Selling sporadically --- which is what he did --- is as bad as no-selling.

-=Mike

I still need to see SurSer, but, after reading your point, now, please check, if you have, No Mercy 2002, RVD vs Flair.

Flair works the leg of RVD and mr PPV totally forgets that, and remember that Flair is more known for working the leg, look at that match, RVd didnt care for Flair's leg work, and even jump to the ropes to celebrate at the end.

 

And im not tellin Goldberg rules, probaly sunday (after I watched SurSer) Ill be back and tell you if I agree or disagree.