One and Only Cancer Returns Thread

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

And anyway, look at it from an outside point of view. Why is putting the number one belt of the brand on the number one heel of the brand such a bad thing?

 

How about........ ratings were going up with Triple H off the show for the most part. How can he be the No.1 heel if more people watch when he's gone? And how is putting the belt on a guy who's been in the title picture for 16 months, and in the process giving him at least another 4-6 months at the top, a good thing. Triple H at the top is stale and they seem to have no intention of taking him out. Even when Goldberg was champ it was all about Triple H trying to get "HIS" title back. When Hogan lost the title he usually disappeared from the title scene for awhile.

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

What I don't get is that wrestling is supposed to be a sport for the fans right ? So when something happens that we don't like, we have every right to express our opinions. I don't like Triple H with the belt and I am going to do what everyone else that does not like it SHOULD do. Stop watching RAW. If WWE dies as a result then that is their loss, but people should just stop watching if they don't like what they are seeing.

 

The fact that people that don't like it are STILL watching it is the one thing keeping them from changing. It makes them think that more people like what they are putting on when infact most people watching DON'T like it.

Well if you are a Nielsen family member then this would work, if not then not buying ppvs, wwe dvds, not going to house shows or not buying stuff from WWEs advertisers would be a better option.

[Guest Ghettoman]

"And anyway, look at it from an outside point of view. Why is putting the number one belt of the brand on the number one heel of the brand such a bad thing?"

 

Because Steiner is more over as a heel than Triple H is and the last year has revolved around that very idea totally unsuccesfully?

 

I mean unless your goal for a company is for it to fail.....

[Guest Peter_Griffin]

Good job I have only been buying tapes from ROH and CZW then.

 

Also we get PPVs for free in the UK, although I don't even watch them untill there is nothing else on.

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

Steiner is over as a heel?????Sorry but the only one that's been really getting over as a heel has been Jericho but now WWE wants to turn him face b/c they need somebody new to job to the heatless rookie Orton.

[King Cucaracha 0]

And anyway, look at it from an outside point of view. Why is putting the number one belt of the brand on the number one heel of the brand such a bad thing?

 

How about........ ratings were going up with Triple H off the show for the most part. How can he be the No.1 heel if more people watch when he's gone? And how is putting the belt on a guy who's been in the title picture for 16 months, and in the process giving him at least another 4-6 months at the top, a good thing. Triple H at the top is stale and they seem to have no intention of taking him out. Even when Goldberg was champ it was all about Triple H trying to get "HIS" title back. When Hogan lost the title he usually disappeared from the title scene for awhile.

Ok then...who IS the number one heel?

 

 

Looks like I have to explain myself. I AGREE that HHH shouldn't have the belt. I AGREE that this'll cause the ratings to nosedive. Hell, I agree with Goldberg getting over.

 

But, if you were to say putting the title on the number one heel is a bad thing, without mentioning the top heel is HHH, then it's not exactly a crazy idea. When did I mention HHH in my statement?

 

"And anyway, look at it from an outside point of view. Why is putting the number one belt of the brand on the number one heel of the brand such a bad thing?"

 

Exactly.

 

 

Which is why Vince doesn't realise this is a bad thing. He sees it as the heel getting the belt, not just HHH getting the belt.

 

Happy?

[King Cucaracha 0]

"And anyway, look at it from an outside point of view. Why is putting the number one belt of the brand on the number one heel of the brand such a bad thing?"

 

Because Steiner is more over as a heel than Triple H is and the last year has revolved around that very idea totally unsuccesfully?

 

I mean unless your goal for a company is for it to fail.....

A few dozen steroid chants on one show, and suddenly he's over?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

When ever WWE television sucks, do what I do.

 

Pop in a tape of old school NWA to wash the taste of Raw or SD out.

 

 

 

 

Unless your a Flair hater of course.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Looks like I have to explain myself. I AGREE that HHH shouldn't have the belt. I AGREE that this'll cause the ratings to nosedive. Hell, I agree with Goldberg getting over.

 

But, if you were to say putting the title on the number one heel is a bad thing, without mentioning the top heel is HHH, then it's not exactly a crazy idea. When did I mention HHH in my statement?

 

If they put even of a fraction of the effort into Kane that they do with Evolution he would be the biggest heel the company has seen since the Attitude era.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Looks like I have to explain myself. I AGREE that HHH shouldn't have the belt. I AGREE that this'll cause the ratings to nosedive. Hell, I agree with Goldberg getting over.

 

But, if you were to say putting the title on the number one heel is a bad thing, without mentioning the top heel is HHH, then it's not exactly a crazy idea. When did I mention HHH in my statement?

 

If they put even of a fraction of the effort into Kane that they do with Evolution he would be the biggest heel the company has seen since the Attitude era.

But...they're not. They're putting effort into Evolution, and HHH as leader is top heel. That's my point. Kane is not the top heel on Raw at the moment.

[Eclipse 0]

Oh yes, the cancer has returned. HHH's group, EVILution has basically taken ALL The major belts on RAW. I can sense RAW sucking for like the next 3 months and shit. I had to cringe at the fact HHH got the belt again..

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

Looks like I have to explain myself. I AGREE that HHH shouldn't have the belt. I AGREE that this'll cause the ratings to nosedive. Hell, I agree with Goldberg getting over.

 

But, if you were to say putting the title on the number one heel is a bad thing, without mentioning the top heel is HHH, then it's not exactly a crazy idea. When did I mention HHH in my statement?

 

If they put even of a fraction of the effort into Kane that they do with Evolution he would be the biggest heel the company has seen since the Attitude era.

But...they're not. They're putting effort into Evolution, and HHH as leader is top heel. That's my point. Kane is not the top heel on Raw at the moment.

Since WWE is going to try their hardest to get Evolution by practically killing RAW then all we got to do is sit here and take it like sheeps,right?Excuse my language but FUCK THAT!!!!I thank God for this forum so i could be able to speak up my mind against the shit that pisses me off in the WWE, this is not the 1980's anymore where it was easy for Vince to brainwash the fans into thinking who is over or not. Orton has always sucked and he will always suck until he finally earns his spot, HHH and Flair are has-beens and people only want to see them how great they were in the past by purchasing their dvds instead of seeing them deteriorate on RAW every monday night.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Looks like I have to explain myself. I AGREE that HHH shouldn't have the belt. I AGREE that this'll cause the ratings to nosedive. Hell, I agree with Goldberg getting over.

 

But, if you were to say putting the title on the number one heel is a bad thing, without mentioning the top heel is HHH, then it's not exactly a crazy idea. When did I mention HHH in my statement?

 

If they put even of a fraction of the effort into Kane that they do with Evolution he would be the biggest heel the company has seen since the Attitude era.

But...they're not. They're putting effort into Evolution, and HHH as leader is top heel. That's my point. Kane is not the top heel on Raw at the moment.

Since WWE is going to try their hardest to get Evolution by practically killing RAW then all we got to do is sit here and take it like sheeps,right?Excuse my language but FUCK THAT!!!!I thank God for this forum so i could be able to speak up my mind against the shit that pisses me off in the WWE, this is not the 1980's anymore where it was easy for Vince to brainwash the fans into thinking who is over or not. Orton has always sucked and he will always suck until he finally earns his spot, HHH and Flair are has-beens and people only want to see them how great they were in the past by purchasing their dvds instead of seeing them deteriorate on RAW every monday night.

And here we go. God forbid I don't be a sheep myself and join the HHHate tenfold. Nobody's forcing you to shut up and like this. Boycott the show. Boycott the company. Hell, if enough of us do it, we might make Vince listen...

 

 

...like last time.

 

It's not the 80's anymore, we know. It's 2003. If it wasn't for the Orton comment, your post could have been taken straight from last year though.

 

HHH is on top. Don't shoot the messenger bub. Just because I said Kane isn't top heel, doesn't make me the bad guy. Don't watch Raw. That's fine by me. I'll just keep on watching if that's ok with you...I'll sit there like the sheep that I must be for ever saying who's being pushed and who isn't.

 

 

Oh...and Fuck HHH. Maybe now I won't be the bad guy.

[Just call me Dan 0]

Honestly, I like this sort of thing happening, and I like how Evolution is being shilled so hard. I know WWE will have Orton/HHH splitting up Evolution sometime, and they have to try and make the group meaningful, so perhaps people will care.

 

If they would have broken them up at say Unforgiven when we thought it might happen, who would have given a shit? That's what they are booking towards now.

 

Did they do it correctly? No. HHH was not on Raw for 2 weeks, walked in and grabbed the belt in a show filled with the lame nWoesque stable members cause distraction leading to the heel pin. It's so fucking half assed.

 

Then, you KNOW HHH and Orton and Flair (probably not Batista) will get the old heels are pussys treatment, making them look like complete douches and that they are just holding the belts or keeping them warm for the next face.

 

Them having the belts mean nothing. It sickens me that this happened, but it makes sense, I guess, considering where the storylines will be headed.

 

It sucks, but so did the Invasion. I'm still gonna watch and I'll enjoy the good stuff.

[Guest Ghettoman]

Someone name one wrestler that gets more heat during his matches and signature spots than Steiner? If you say Triple H I'll have no choice but to laugh in your face.

[notJames 0]

I'm not one given to hyperbole or overstatement (yeah, right), but this was probably one of the worst things they could have done with the belts.

 

As much as people say that the championships don't matter, they're still used as a focal point for the majority of the matches (or at least they should be). Evolution has had the lion's share of exposure with or without HHH in an attempt to get Vince's dreamboys over -- Orton especially, since it's obvious he doesn't have what it takes to get over on his own. But at least with the belts on other guys, there was room to put more wrestlers into the mix, give them something to feud over, y'know, the kind of stuff that a wrestling promotion is supposed to do.

 

Now, with Evolution holding all the gold, that's where all the attention goes. Forget the Dudleys vs. the Vanilla Studs... no one's gonna give a shit about them anymore. Forget RVD... he's damaged goods without the credibility of a belt. Forget all the other "contenders" for the belts, whoever they were, because it's obvious that they're not good enough to get put on TV properly, so they're obviously not good enough to challenge for the belts.

 

Don't even get me started on how they threw Molly to the wolves by having her out on the PPV in an unannounced match. That shit made my blood boil.

 

How do we as an audience contend with the main heel faction holding all the belts, when there's not one wrestler out there who has been held up to their standard enough to topple the regime? Oh, I forgot... Evolution is gonna split up so that they can feud with each other, once again keeping the spotlight on them and shunting the rest of the grunts scurrying into the shadows like roaches.

 

Did they learn nothing from the Clique crap from '95? Or the nWo collapse?

 

Stupid humans.

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

Looks like I have to explain myself. I AGREE that HHH shouldn't have the belt. I AGREE that this'll cause the ratings to nosedive. Hell, I agree with Goldberg getting over.

 

But, if you were to say putting the title on the number one heel is a bad thing, without mentioning the top heel is HHH, then it's not exactly a crazy idea. When did I mention HHH in my statement?

 

If they put even of a fraction of the effort into Kane that they do with Evolution he would be the biggest heel the company has seen since the Attitude era.

But...they're not. They're putting effort into Evolution, and HHH as leader is top heel. That's my point. Kane is not the top heel on Raw at the moment.

Since WWE is going to try their hardest to get Evolution by practically killing RAW then all we got to do is sit here and take it like sheeps,right?Excuse my language but FUCK THAT!!!!I thank God for this forum so i could be able to speak up my mind against the shit that pisses me off in the WWE, this is not the 1980's anymore where it was easy for Vince to brainwash the fans into thinking who is over or not. Orton has always sucked and he will always suck until he finally earns his spot, HHH and Flair are has-beens and people only want to see them how great they were in the past by purchasing their dvds instead of seeing them deteriorate on RAW every monday night.

And here we go. God forbid I don't be a sheep myself and join the HHHate tenfold. Nobody's forcing you to shut up and like this. Boycott the show. Boycott the company. Hell, if enough of us do it, we might make Vince listen...

 

 

...like last time.

 

It's not the 80's anymore, we know. It's 2003. If it wasn't for the Orton comment, your post could have been taken straight from last year though.

 

HHH is on top. Don't shoot the messenger bub. Just because I said Kane isn't top heel, doesn't make me the bad guy. Don't watch Raw. That's fine by me. I'll just keep on watching if that's ok with you...I'll sit there like the sheep that I must be for ever saying who's being pushed and who isn't.

 

 

Oh...and Fuck HHH. Maybe now I won't be the bad guy.

Actually i was attacking the WWE instead of you, it's a free country and it's ok that you agree with Vince in putting Evolution over everybody else in the RAW roster.Like you said all the bitching and complaining from some of the fans won't change Vince's mind, it might get rid of some of the frustrations that we have as WWE fans. Since i have other interests besides wrestling maybe someday i'll stop the bitching and just stop watching WWE, it doesn't make any sense for me to watch something that's frustrating and not entertaining anymore. But at least i won't be the type of fan that just gives up and says if you cant beat them, then join them bullcrap, b/c that's a punk's easy way out(By the way i'm still not attacking you, i'm talking about other fans that just give up and let the WWE brainwash them like puppets).

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

Then, you KNOW HHH and Orton and Flair (probably not Batista) will get the old heels are pussys treatment, making them look like complete douches and that they are just holding the belts or keeping them warm for the next face.

 

Question. Since when has HHH acted like a pussy heel. He's always going over everybody and one of the very few heels that looks "brave".

[TheBigSwigg 0]

I'm going to throw in my two cents to have it bashed by some jackass who thinks he's better than everyone because he's not a HHH hater.

I hate to say that the whole show last night bored me to death. HBK-Batista and the Battle of the Sexes were the only two matches that even kept me awake. There were way too many sudden victories and way too little reasons for me to care.

As for HHH and Evolution holding the titles, it licks monkey nuts. Why? Why not? Because it would've been better for them to have won all the titles over a period of time. Them getting the titles all at once does nothing to build them up. I didn't expect Orton to win, and it happened way too quick. I never expected Batista and Flair to win the titles, as neither of them were even in a tag team until last night, and I HOPED that Goldberg would retain or at least Kane would take the belt. Why give it back to HHH?

To me, it seems like giving HHH the belt now is Vince's wedding present or a way to build up HHH in Blade 3. Neither of which I care for. It's nepotism and I don't like it. I think Kane deserves the title, I think Evolution is not what they thought it would be, and I am completely bored with RAW. It seemed like Survivor Series was putting RAW and SMACKDOWN on the right track, but it looks like this Derailed RAW.

I'm glad my buddy paid for Armageddon and not me.

[notJames 0]

Question. Since when has HHH acted like a pussy heel.  He's always going over everybody and one of the very few heels that looks "brave".

 

If you saw the PPV last night, you would have noticed HHH cowering from Kane whenever he tried to double cross him, or whenever he did the Zombie situp. That's about the extent of it.

 

He probably uses Method acting by picturing Stephanie threatening him with a de-push. Or a strap-on.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Everyone face it. Triple H is the man and he doesnt give a flying fuck what the fans think.

I love posts like this. This shows you just how much intelligence you have. Why is HHH the man? Because he leeches everything off the business. Because he never does ANYTHING to give to the business that made him a millionaire. Because when he reached main event status by guys like The Rock, Foley, etc. were putting him over and he never realized that HE needed to do the same thing. So in other words, your posts aren't needed here. YOUR FODDER to get to the next IMPORTANT post.

The man=the man with the belt, in these terms. Oh...and the end part of your post just makes you look really elitist when it comes to HHH.

 

 

 

Speaking of which...

 

 

...boy, this didn't take long to get going huh? I guess HHHate is still going strong.

 

HHH is bad, HHH is damaging the company. We ALL know that. We had a about a YEAR of that last time. And anyone who's surprised HHH has the belt must be clueless. He needed the belt before Mania(it's supposed to be HHH/Orton right?). Plus what Trips wants, Trips gets.

 

And anyway, look at it from an outside point of view. Why is putting the number one belt of the brand on the number one heel of the brand such a bad thing?

 

I'll now sit here and wait to be flamed for not wishing HHH serious injury or illness just because he's holding a title belt again.

Notice how when he replied to me though he didn't explain that. I am by NO means trying to sould like an elitist. I am simply saying that HHH is the man and yadda yadda, without having a point then they are just fodder to get flaimed by the board and just waste space. People like this are trolls and shouldn't be here. Plain and simple. Now if he would have made a point and explained it, then he wouldn't have gotten shit from me. Also and too explain, I don't like the guy simply because he hasn't even been on TV for a month and he is automatically in the title picture.

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

He probably uses Method acting by picturing Stephanie threatening him with a de-push. Or a strap-on.

 

I doubt HHH would be scared of Steph with a strap on.

[Guest Peter_Griffin]

Can I just remind you of something dynamite.

 

Trolls will be automatically banned. Trolling is defined as the consistent posting of useless material with the intention of getting off-topic and specifically eliciting and inciting undesirable responses from users reading the thread

 

Lets go through this shall we.

 

I haven't consistently done posts like that. OK, I may have posted in a heated way because I was pissed off, doesn't mean that after one stupid ( I'll admit that it was indeed stupid ) post that I should be banned.

 

Point is I'm not a troll. I dislike Triple H for a reason. Not JUST that he is hogging the title picture, because if he was as good as he was in 2000, I couldn't have cared less, but he is an awful wrestler as well, which doesnt make life any easier. I watch wrestling for good wrestling, not to see Triple H stinking up the ring every time he is there. THAT's why I don't like him.

[haVoc 0]

One thing that really bugs me is Triple H has been off TV for all this time and they never explained why. Now he just shows up and wins the title again.

[2GOLD 0]

What is really sad is I KNEW that Triple H would get that belt last night, simply because he was in the damn title match. Instead of having Triple H getting pinned, getting kicked out of Evolution tonight so his rumored face turn would make some small bit of sense, they had Triple H get a belt that Goldberg (who I dislike) had slowly made important again.

 

Now the Groin takes control of the belt again because they want to push Evolution as the next Horsemen or NWO. But guess what? The Horsemen could actually work as could the NWO. Flair has become a comedy act now.

 

Goldberg may not be the most liked guy, but he was restoring the belt and RAW. Now we go back to 2 hours of Evolution promos with Triple H just announcing he might defend the title at Royal Rumble.

 

As much as I disliked Goldberg, his reign was 1000 times better than Triple H. Not to mention they spent time over and over again building up Kane as this monster and instead of having him defeat Goldberg to further prove he is a monster, they pull the ego trip and ruin it with Triple H.

 

Triple H vs Kane was NOT the match. Goldberg losing the title to Kane was the match. Now it appears that Triple H will hold the belt PAST Wrestlemania, including beating Rock, before losing the belt maybe at Summerslam to Randy Orton.

[JN News 0]

From now on until HHH loses the belt, I'm strictly focusing on Smackdown, and their talent. At least Smackdown has a REAL World's Champion.

[Ultra Violence 0]

with HHH also getting fat... aswell as roided up the chances of THE quad tear which will end his carreer are increasing. Personally I think the best thing if he was injured would to be to give Kane evolution. Put Nowinski in Orton's spot and repackage Orton as Rico's friend or something. Evolution would be a reasonable stable then, Kane could regain his credibility and then fued with Jericho or something. Loose the belt to him after the Undertaker interfears and you've set up the WM XX match.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Can I just remind you of something dynamite.

 

Trolls will be automatically banned. Trolling is defined as the consistent posting of useless material with the intention of getting off-topic and specifically eliciting and inciting undesirable responses from users reading the thread

 

Lets go through this shall we.

 

I haven't consistently done posts like that. OK, I may have posted in a heated way because I was pissed off, doesn't mean that after one stupid ( I'll admit that it was indeed stupid ) post that I should be banned.

 

Point is I'm not a troll. I dislike Triple H for a reason. Not JUST that he is hogging the title picture, because if he was as good as he was in 2000, I couldn't have cared less, but he is an awful wrestler as well, which doesnt make life any easier. I watch wrestling for good wrestling, not to see Triple H stinking up the ring every time he is there. THAT's why I don't like him.

Dude, that wasn't my post. I never called you a troll. And I couldn't agree with you more on Trips's ring work. I also think it is horrible to give a guy like that your world title.