kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Good for you. I'd rather hang myself with my own testicles than watch Master and Commander. Every time I see an ad/poster for that movie I keep thinking about that South Park episode... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Speaking of Cold Mountain, why exactly is this getting so many Golden Globe nominations? I mean on rottentomatoes.com it had a rotten rating for a while, and has now barely crept above the 60% Mendoza line. It reeks of a "prestige" picture that isn't any good that is merely there to get awards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aero 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 I saw the movie yesterday... What else is there to say? Awesome, awesome movie. Better than the other two. The ending seemed to go on and on, not that it was a bad thing. Funny watching some people leave the theater at certain points near the end, thinking it was over... Meanwhile, the movie goes on for another 5-10 min. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANKLELOCK 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Yeah. Same here. Except the people at my theater just got up then sat back down after it restarted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Great movie, but I still think it is a bit overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 This is going to sound VERY silly, but sadly, wrestling has warped my mind. Spoiler (Highlight to Read): When Sam picked up Frodo on the way to Mount Doom in that great moment and put him in a fireman's carry Did anyone else think... F5! No? Just me then. Dames I didn't think that, but at the end when... Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Frodo turned to Sam and said "It's mine!", I turned to my cousin with a big ass goofy grin on my face and said "HELL TURN!". ...heh, yeah. I have never read any of the books, never knew anything about the books untill three years ago, so whatever I am about to say, just keep in mind it only has to do with the film itself. I don't have much to say though, so don't worry. I'm going to put it all in spoiler tags just so I don't have to keep switching back and forth. Spoiler (Highlight to Read): First off, I loved the film just as most did. I did not love it as many other seem to though. It's great for what it is, but it's nothing CLOSE to the "best film ever". I loved the film from the begining to...well, to end to end to end to end to end. If anything hurts my opinion of a great film, it's when it just refuses to fucking "give up the ghost" and go home. You guys remember the film A.I.? Well damnit, the end of this film reminded me of the end of that one...only this one was MORE so like that. I don't know if all of that was in the books, I don't know how that works, but this film could have had quite a bit of time sliced from it, right at the end, and it would have been much better for me. Are we fucking sure THIS isn't the Extended Edition of the film? Not only that but it seems as if the deleted scenes were included also. Had it not been for that long ass ending which just hurt my view of the film overall, I would have gladly said that this was my favorite film of the entire year. It's too bad I can't say that afterall though. I understand the concept of tying up all loose ends, but damn, could it not be done a bit smoother? I'm sure it could've, but whatever. To me, it just felt like Peter Jackson just didn't want to let go of his "baby". Ok, enough of that. Now, let me ask you a couple questions just for the hell of it. I can't remember the names of everyone, but fuck it... 1) When that gals father was tossed aside, am I the only person who laughed out loud at the expression on her face? I mean, it was just all time classic, I loved it. 2) Ok, the Hobbits aren't gay, right...RIGHT? I was amused at it as it seemed that at any moment, we'd be seeing some Hobbit lovin' at any second. When Sam and Frodo was thinking back about the shire remembering things, am I fucking crazy or did Frodo say something when talking about the water, bushes, etc... about remembering "dancing naked in the dark"? Did I hear him wrong or what? It seemd like Sam got married just so we would know that not ALL Hobbits are gay. Yes, before you ask, I'm joking...or ammmmmmmmm I? ...I loved the film, but when you add up the ending to various unexplainable loose ends, it just looses points to me. It's classic, I'll watch it again, but I'm not going to say something outlandish like "best film ever". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Fuck that. The endings ruled your ass and you're just angry cause you've woken up the morning after and can't walk and are kinda ashamed to have let your ass been ruled so freely and easily. Admit it. I'm fucking happy they went all extended ending and shit - I ain't sittin through 9+ hours of movie makin just for a 2 minute ending where everything hugs and that's it. We DESERVED that ended; we EARNED it; and so did the characters. There's more to war than just the battles... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Yes, choose to be a smart ass instead of accepting someone elses opinion, way to go. It just fucking went on, and on, and on, and on to me. I can't think of a single reason for it to have lasted as long as it did. That's the only thing I have against the film, it just rubbed me the wrong way...just like at the end of A.I. It didn't have to be a two minute "oh yay everything is good now" ending, but it could have been a lot shorter and a lot smoother than what was there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 The long ending will be put more in perspective once you try and watch all of these together. Then you'll see the reasoning behind stuff like: Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Sam checking out that Rosie chick in the first film, then getting married to her at the end of ROTK. Or....Sam and Frodo discussing how sad it is to see the Elves leave for the Gray Havens, only to have Frodo leave as well at the end of ROTK. If you look at it as just a long ass ending to ROTK, you're shortchanging yourself. If you look at it as tying up everything in the trilogy, it makes a bit more sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 No, I get all of that. This isn't some sort of wild "smart" film where you have to think very hard about the various aspects of the film, it's all in your face and out there for all to realize. It simply could have been a lot smoother, if not shorter...smoother. I know, it's the ending to the ENTIRE movie (all three films), but that's no excuse. It just was a bit too drawn to me for an ending, that's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Dude, AI had ALIENS come out 10,000 years in the fucking future - which was COMPLETELY OUT OF NO WHERE - to compare the ending of ROTK (which made sense) to A.I. (which had little to do with anything) is fucking asinine. Fuck accepting your opinion, it sucks. If a 15-20 minute (?) resolution of a 3 1/2 hour movie (and let's not forget two other 3 hour installments) is going "on and on and on" for you, THEN WHAT WERE THE FIRST 9 HOURS?!?! How could you even get through those without hanging yourself? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 He's still right though, to an extent. I liked the actual material in the endings, even if the coronation/celebration was hokey and the fades obtrusive, but the pacing was death. If you watch 10 hours together, it works. As the coda to a 3-hour film, I felt that it - along with a lot of other weird editing choices throughout - really dragged down the third movie in and of itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Oh I see, so you would have preferred the Frodo-quickly-hugs-everyone-including-an-already-married-Sam-and-a-crowned-Aragon-with-Arwen-at-his-side-smiling-before-leaving-on-a-ship-with-all-the-mystical-folk-for-no-real-reason ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Well there went the last bit of reason that I had to even bother to further discuss this with you, thanks. One thing though, about the A.I. deal. It doesn't matter what the ending was, I'm not saying they were anything the same. I simply said that as both films seemed to have an ending point time and time and time and time and time again. That is not the making for a very good tight smooth ending, it comes off as very clunky to me. I fully understand why all the loose ends had to be explained, etc... but it could have been done in a much better way than as presented. That's it, that's all I'll say unless you decide to NOT be fucking childish because OMG~!!!!!!!!111!!!!!! someone not agreessssss wit u~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Kinda funny how you contrasted "childish" with that lil spiel there; not to mention your inability to have a discussion without calling someone 'childish' - you fucking tool. Me, I won't bother sticking my nose up in the air and give a pretense that I'm better than that when I'm clearly doing it too (OMG I'M TALKINGABOUTYOU!BiggestHYPOCRITE!ontheboardLOLERZ!~). The ending(s) in ROTK were necessary and integral to the story Tolkein (and Jackson) were telling. Tolkein was a WWI vet who knew the high cost of war - one of the major cost of war is the loss of innocence. That you can "never go home" again. In the book, this was symbolized by the destruction of the shire - in the film, this was symbolized by Frodo leaving on the ships (also in the books; I can understandibly see why Jackson left the shire untouched in the film). The multiple endings were to give this closure to all the characters - and ultimately to the viewer - but not to Frodo (who couldn't go home). The first ending had Frodo in bed while the fellowship came together after having been broken in the first film. "Has it really been that long?". The crowning of the king and the acceptance and appreciation of the Hobbits by man - the 4 stood there as heros. In the bar with just the 4 heros and Sam - the true hero - making his move on Rosey and being able to return to the life he left never having carried the burden. This is where we begin to realize that Frodo may not be the same as the others - that while they have "gotten over it" Frodo hasn't. In the next "ending" with Frodo writing his story we come to fully understand this and it also says that Sam is the Mayor and transitions into Bilbo and going to the ships. The ships and the long good bye, the significance of which I've explained, very important to the story crafted. This is probably where, in formulaic hollywood terms, the "ending" would have been - right after the triumphant destruction of the ring and maybe a quickie in the shire. No need to actually do the crowning of the king or Sam working the courage to ask out Rosie - cause those are just stupid lil things that no one needs to see cause really, the whole series is just about a ring - ya know? And the actual ending being Sam and family moving back into their home? FORGET ABOUT IT! We should have seen Gollum come back! YEAH! GOLLUM! And, and and, maybe he could come back with ALIENS FROM THE FUTURE WHO WANT TO STUDY HOBBITS! YEAH! And then they CLONE Frodo and the RING! but the Ring and Frodo can only last a day and Gollum gets sad but he's still happy seeing the ring again, if only for a day. That's really what should have happened. It would have flowed better... ... no wait, that would be stupid and hmm... actually like A.I. rather than, you know, not being anything like A.I. - which the actual ending to ROTK was... nothing like A.I., that is. The ending with David getting one day with his mommy and that moment of happiness he searched for - which was poignant and heartfelt - because of Aliens and their futuristic technology - which was needless and completely stupid - in A.I. was because Speilberg had no idea how to effectively end it. "Well, we have to have him get his mother back, but how can we do it without him actually getting his mother back... hmm... ah yes, FUTURISTIC ALIENS!". Jackson knew how to effectively end it, and THANK GOD it wasn't with a character ephiphany followed by a kiss. That wouldn't have done the story and characters justice. "You know what Sam?" "What is it Mr. Frodo" "I don't think I could ever go back to the shire again" "Oh, well that sucks. I going to marry my sweethart and become mayor" "That's grand Sam, but I -again- cannot. The ring, it will forever be with me, even after it's gone" "That's a true shame it is Mr Frodo." "Yep, isn't that right Merry?" "Oh yeah, it is Pippen... wanna go steal some pumpkins?" "You betcha! Bye Frodo!" "Bye Frodo" "Bye guys" *Aragon shows up as King* "Hey, look at me. I'm the, you know, king" "Wow, you are." "Yeah, and here's my elfish wench" "Hey guys" "Hey" "Hey" ... Nah, this is just TOO LONG - it needs to be cut down some more... "I can't believe it's over" "It's not over, not for me, it will never be over... I must go on the boats out to the sea with the elfs and never come back because I can't come back - that life is not for me..." "No Mr Frodo, please don't go" *Aragon with a crown and Arwen and Merry, Pippen, and Rosie w/ child look on in tears* "I have to, good bye" *kiss* (together) "Good bye" *Sails away* "The end" ... that's better. That really is satisfying - nothing left unsaid there. I feel that after watching 9 hours of this story unfold, that this 30 second ending is a fitting conclusion to this epic tale. Yep, I really got the effect the journey had on the characters... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 The long ending will be put more in perspective once you try and watch all of these together. Then you'll see the reasoning behind stuff like: Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Or....Sam and Frodo discussing how sad it is to see the Elves leave for the Gray Havens, only to have Frodo leave as well at the end of ROTK. Wasn't that an addition to the Extended version?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Kinda funny how you contrasted "childish" with that lil spiel there; not to mention your inability to have a discussion without calling someone 'childish' - you fucking tool. Fucking tool? When you respond to someone, after they simply give an opinion, with... Fuck that. The endings ruled your ass and you're just angry cause you've woken up the morning after and can't walk and are kinda ashamed to have let your ass been ruled so freely and easily. Admit it. ...and... Fuck accepting your opinion, it sucks. ...you loose all credibility to me in whatever you say from that moment on, I'm sorry to say. It's the most childish way to go forth with any sort of conversation or discussion about anything, and it wont get you anywhere...at least not with me. I'm not going to go down to your level and say that your opinion on anything is wrong, that you MUST believe like me, and stoop to insults and basic bullshit. As said before, once you can grow up and stop acting like a child, then I'll continue whatever there is to discuss. Seeing how it's all opinion though, there really isn't much more to say. You liked it, I didn't, big fucking deal. Grow up and learn to realize that not everyone gives a shit about whatever it is as you do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BX 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Kinda funny how you contrasted "childish" with that lil spiel there; not to mention your inability to have a discussion without calling someone 'childish' - you fucking tool. Me, I won't bother sticking my nose up in the air and give a pretense that I'm better than that when I'm clearly doing it too (OMG I'M TALKINGABOUTYOU!BiggestHYPOCRITE!ontheboardLOLERZ!~). The ending(s) in ROTK were necessary and integral to the story Tolkein (and Jackson) were telling. Tolkein was a WWI vet who knew the high cost of war - one of the major cost of war is the loss of innocence. That you can "never go home" again. In the book, this was symbolized by the destruction of the shire - in the film, this was symbolized by Frodo leaving on the ships (also in the books; I can understandibly see why Jackson left the shire untouched in the film). The multiple endings were to give this closure to all the characters - and ultimately to the viewer - but not to Frodo (who couldn't go home). The first ending had Frodo in bed while the fellowship came together after having been broken in the first film. "Has it really been that long?". The crowning of the king and the acceptance and appreciation of the Hobbits by man - the 4 stood there as heros. In the bar with just the 4 heros and Sam - the true hero - making his move on Rosey and being able to return to the life he left never having carried the burden. This is where we begin to realize that Frodo may not be the same as the others - that while they have "gotten over it" Frodo hasn't. In the next "ending" with Frodo writing his story we come to fully understand this and it also says that Sam is the Mayor and transitions into Bilbo and going to the ships. The ships and the long good bye, the significance of which I've explained, very important to the story crafted. This is probably where, in formulaic hollywood terms, the "ending" would have been - right after the triumphant destruction of the ring and maybe a quickie in the shire. No need to actually do the crowning of the king or Sam working the courage to ask out Rosie - cause those are just stupid lil things that no one needs to see cause really, the whole series is just about a ring - ya know? And the actual ending being Sam and family moving back into their home? FORGET ABOUT IT! We should have seen Gollum come back! YEAH! GOLLUM! And, and and, maybe he could come back with ALIENS FROM THE FUTURE WHO WANT TO STUDY HOBBITS! YEAH! And then they CLONE Frodo and the RING! but the Ring and Frodo can only last a day and Gollum gets sad but he's still happy seeing the ring again, if only for a day. That's really what should have happened. It would have flowed better... ... no wait, that would be stupid and hmm... actually like A.I. rather than, you know, not being anything like A.I. - which the actual ending to ROTK was... nothing like A.I., that is. The ending with David getting one day with his mommy and that moment of happiness he searched for - which was poignant and heartfelt - because of Aliens and their futuristic technology - which was needless and completely stupid - in A.I. was because Speilberg had no idea how to effectively end it. "Well, we have to have him get his mother back, but how can we do it without him actually getting his mother back... hmm... ah yes, FUTURISTIC ALIENS!". Jackson knew how to effectively end it, and THANK GOD it wasn't with a character ephiphany followed by a kiss. That wouldn't have done the story and characters justice. "You know what Sam?" "What is it Mr. Frodo" "I don't think I could ever go back to the shire again" "Oh, well that sucks. I going to marry my sweethart and become mayor" "That's grand Sam, but I -again- cannot. The ring, it will forever be with me, even after it's gone" "That's a true shame it is Mr Frodo." "Yep, isn't that right Merry?" "Oh yeah, it is Pippen... wanna go steal some pumpkins?" "You betcha! Bye Frodo!" "Bye Frodo" "Bye guys" *Aragon shows up as King* "Hey, look at me. I'm the, you know, king" "Wow, you are." "Yeah, and here's my elfish wench" "Hey guys" "Hey" "Hey" ... Nah, this is just TOO LONG - it needs to be cut down some more... "I can't believe it's over" "It's not over, not for me, it will never be over... I must go on the boats out to the sea with the elfs and never come back because I can't come back - that life is not for me..." "No Mr Frodo, please don't go" *Aragon with a crown and Arwen and Merry, Pippen, and Rosie w/ child look on in tears* "I have to, good bye" *kiss* (together) "Good bye" *Sails away* "The end" ... that's better. That really is satisfying - nothing left unsaid there. I feel that after watching 9 hours of this story unfold, that this 30 second ending is a fitting conclusion to this epic tale. Yep, I really got the effect the journey had on the characters... Post of the Day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 (edited) A.I. wasn't wrapping up 12 hours of story and a bunch of characters who all shared the spot of main character pretty much. Honestly...you can't point to one person and say that was the lead character. I just got back from watching it again with some friends and honestly the ending was perfect to me. Honestly I think that without those pauses it would have seemed confusing. Things would have been happening left and right. Spoiler (Highlight to Read): They're stuck on the rock...all of the sudden they're passed out and being rescued...look now they're in beds....and now they're at the coronation....and now they're in the shire....now Sam's married...now Frodo's leaving...look Sam's home. The pauses siginified that a little time has passed and we're moving on to another aspect of the ending. Edited December 20, 2003 by LaParkaYourCar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renegade 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Never read the books, so what happens with the shire at the end of the books? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Never read the books, so what happens with the shire at the end of the books? Spoiler (Highlight to Read): The Shire gets overrun while they're out on their quest. The nasty hobbit relatives of Frodo that bought Frodo's old house at first start changing things (rules, scenery), but then when Saruman is defeated he leaves Orthanc and they see him on the road as they're travelling home and he gets pissed off at them. Saruman decides that if he's gonna lose his home then they will too. So he goes to the shire while they're all travelling to other places and he basically takes over and has them uproot the trees and build new buildings kind of like they did around his tower. The Hobbits get back to the Shire and find it this way. All the hobbits that live there are terrified and just go along with it. So our heroes rally them and take back the shire. When they find Saruman he's living in Frodo's old house. The heroes show him that they've rallied the other hobbits and defeated his men. So he goes to leave again and he calls Wormtongue to come with him, but the hobbits say he doesn't have to listen to that old man anymore. Wormtongue starts to listen and Saruman gets pissed, but Wormtongue finally has enough and slits Saruman's throat before trying to run for it, but the hobbits shoot Wormtongue and kill him too. Sam then uses his gift from Galadriel (the soil and seeds from Lothlorien) to regrow trees and plants in the Shire and things flourish again. They tear down the buildings and build back the old hobbit homes. Then Sam gets married and that's where the movie picks up. The "Scouring of the Shire" was foreshadowed early in the book. When Frodo looks in Galadriel's mirror in the book Sam is there too and Sam sees the Shire being ransacked, which tells him that bad things are going to happen there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 I'd just like to point out that Rudo stole the word "wench" from me and never even asked if he could use it in his post. For shame, you stupid wench. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANKLELOCK 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 It is, as JR would call it, a "highway robbery" if this movie doesn't win best picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 ...you loose all credibility to me in whatever you say from that moment on, I'm sorry to say. Ah yes, because I desperately want to have credibility in the eyes of someone who has compared the ending of ROTK to A.I. Say it with me now, your opinion _s_u_c_k_s_. It's the most childish way to go forth with any sort of conversation or discussion about anything, and it wont get you anywhere... Nah, I'd say the most childish is covering your ears (in this case 'eyes') and going 'lalalalalallalala I'm not listening! lalalalalala! I can't hear you! lalalalalalalala you're childish! lalalalalalla" and thus putting oneself in a lil bubble where ones precious opinion can't be harmed... kinda like what you're doing now. at least not with me. I'm not going to go down to your level and say that your opinion on anything is wrong, Which, in this case, it is. that you MUST believe like me, Never said that. and stoop to insults and basic bullshit. Which you have... or do you think "childish" is completely innocent because it doesn't start with an "f" or a "s" or in this case a big, giant "T". As for bullshit, c'mon, you take the cake here Dh. As said before, once you can grow up and stop acting like a child, then I'll continue whatever there is to discuss. Or you could, oh I dunno, buck up and a wipe your nose and actually validate your opinion rather than going off and, you know, "lalalalala". Seeing how it's all opinion though, there really isn't much more to say. Sure there is. I said most of it, but there still is stuff left to say. You still haven't even come close to explaining the similarity between A.I. and ROTK, or building a case against the "long" ending other than "it ruined the flow" which, btw, is a tad worthless considering the flow and pace from the beginning in the boat scene was established as being "slow" and the endings did nothing to take away from that... the whole movie was "slow", even in the "tense" battle scenes. You liked it, I didn't, big fucking deal. Grow up and learn to realize that not everyone gives a shit about whatever it is as you do. You know Downhome, I don't think I can take discussing the matter with someone who tells me what to do, calls me names, and can't handle the fact that someone holds a different opinion than they do... It's very distressing... I don't... I don't... I don't think I can handle it... I'm sorry guys, I tried... I just can't go through with it. He's swearing at me.... *looks for someone to hold him* RRR: Can "Deal" with someone having a different opinion than him. Has no problem with Dr. Tom not liking the opening... No problem in Downhome not liking the ending. However, when you don't like it because it "ruins the flow" "goes on and on and on" "should have been shorter" and "was a lot like A.I.", your reasons for not liking it - and therefore "opinion formed" - SUCK, and I'm going to tell you it. RRR: See's someone of an opinion based on irrational thought, feels the need to clearify - and to an extent - make fun of. DH: Despite saying he won't participate in a dicussion with me, still replies - and not to the actual discussion. RRR: Did not steal wench from LOTC... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justsoyouknow 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Dey's a flamin'! Dey's a flamin' in da movie foldah~! RRR....that was the most hilarious thing I've read in a long-ass time. You rule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 It is, as JR would call it, a "highway robbery" if this movie doesn't win best picture. I don't think that's true, but I won't be surprised if it wins this time. Compared to what the first two movies had to contend against, this is shaping up to be a pretty light year as far as the range of competition goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic Reducer 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 Second best movie of the three. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 OK, here's something I didn't get. Not sure how necessary spoiler tags are, but here goes... Spoiler (Highlight to Read): The whole buildup is that Frodo is the only one who can bring the ring to Mordor to be destroyed. He's the chosen one, and we see the effects the ring has on him during the journey. He sees what it did to Gollum, he sees how it made him turn against Sam, he understands how evil it is. But when it comes time to throw it into the lava, he decides to keep it! He doesn't even willfully throw it in. He & Gollum fight over who gets to keep it, and only as part of the struggle does Gollum fall into the lava w/ the ring. It goes against the whole "good triumphing over evil" storyline, how despite the power and lure of the ring, Frodo overcomes these great odds to do the right thing. Frodo "turned heel" and only destroyed the ring by chance, and suddenly he's a huge hero. Am I missing something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2003 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Frodo going *that far* with the ring is heroic enough - NO ONE could have done it. They would have been possessed by the ring in like 5 minutes tops. This is all established in Fellowship where the ring corrupts Galadrial, Boromir, to-an-extent Gandalf (he turns away from it), Bilbo, Isildur, etc. Frodo never triumphed over the ring - in War there never are *Winners*, only losers. That's the message Tolkien was making. Jackson didn't want to take that _all_the_way_ to where the Shire got burned down; so he just had Frodo 'lose his innocence' while Sam & Co. were able to go back to their lives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted December 22, 2003 So let me get this straight... LotC and me are the only ones who cried like little bitches in the movie? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
