Styles 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Normally these stories end in the idiots hitting another car and killing the people in the other car while they are lucky enough to "miraculously" survive the accident. No innocent victims were killed, and now the kids don't have to live with possibly life-long guilt! Everyone's a winner! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I hate people like that. I hate morons in general. Morons should die and leave us regular people to live. Seriously, I was 15 a few years ago. I NEVER rode that fast without a seat belt, I was NEVER stupid enough to steal a car, and I would NEVER let someone drive if they didn't have a license. If you're that dumb, you shouldn't live. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I never knew how elite the internet community was. I mean a bunch of geniuses who've never learned from making a mistake, because they never made a mistake. It's almost like this perfect existance that allows you to sit back and judge anyone and everyone without recourse is just a fabrication......hmmmm...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I never knew how elite the internet community was. I mean a bunch of geniuses who've never learned from making a mistake, because they never made a mistake. If you need to learn via personal experience that what these teens did was wrong, then it's a shame you weren't the eighth person in that vehicle... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Yeah, because it's not like teenagers thrive off of being rebellious. If someone told me at 13 that driving in a car going 80 mph while not wearing a seatbelt was wrong, I would of said duh, then done it anyway if my friends were. It's because I'm flawed, like a human. I need to live something to understand it fully, like a human. If thats reason enough for me to lose my life, then thats sad. But then again if your posting here your most likely perfect and have no time to care about 7 kids losing there lives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cran Da Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 From the Winston-Salem Journal Wednesday, December 31, 2003 Team probes fatal wreck Special unit of troopers tries to reconstruct how seven Iredell teens died By Donna Swicegood MEDIA GENERAL NEWS SERVICE STATESVILLE Reconstructing the wreck that claimed seven young lives early Monday morning is expected to take at least a month, officials said. During that time, state troopers from a unit that specializes in reconstructing collisions will look at a variety of factors to determine just what happened when a car loaded with seven Iredell County teen-agers tried to flee from a Troutman police officer. Sgt. Everett Clendenin, a public-information officer for the N.C. Highway Patrol, said that a review of the in-car video from Troutman Officer Keith Bills' patrol car indicated that the officer acted properly. The tape shows that Bills was not in hot pursuit and was not close to the car at the time it wrecked, Clendenin said. Chief Eric Henderson of the Troutman police said yesterday that Bills saw the car weaving and speeding through the town of Troutman around midnight, and followed the car for about a mile before activating his lights and siren. The camera indicated that it was about 15 seconds from the time that Bills turned on the siren and lights until the wreck, Henderson said. The wreck claimed the lives of John Lindsey Myers Jr., 15, who authorities said was driving the car; David Wayne Summers III, 14; Quentin Maurice Reed, 18; Erica Stevenson, 15, and her sister, Antoinette Griffin, 13; Antonio Miller, 13; and Domnick Hurtt, 17. Three troopers - part of a team of 20 from across the state who specialize in reconstructing wrecks - spent much of the day Monday at U.S. 21 and Cumberland Road, taking measurements and gathering evidence from the point at which the Dodge Intrepid left the road, went airborne and landed upside down in a creek. Clendenin said that the investigation is normal procedure for the reconstruction unit. "They examine physical evidence, such as skid marks, indentations in the pavement, evidence from the vehicle, personal effects that may have been thrown from the vehicle," he said. The troopers will also examine the car. "They will check damage to the vehicle.... They will measure the vehicle to determine speed, how far the vehicle traveled in the air," he said. The car's speedometer will be checked, he said, since the speedometer indicator will sometimes stick on the speed at the time of the impact. The brakes, lights and other mechanical features will also be examined. One important factor will be to determine what role the small "doughnut" spare tire that was installed on the right rear wheel may have played in the wreck, Clendenin said. The troopers will also try to talk with witnesses who saw the teen-agers in the hours before the accident and those who saw the car in the moments before the wreck. "Where they were, what they were doing, where they were going - anything would help," he said. • Donna Swicegood is a reporter for the Statesville Record & Landmark Bad enough they was doing that rate of speed on a busy highway, but to do it with what little grip those spacesaver spares offer is just ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Yeah, because it's not like teenagers thrive off of being rebellious. If someone told me at 13 that driving in a car going 80 mph while not wearing a seatbelt was wrong, I would of said duh, then done it anyway if my friends were. It's because I'm flawed, like a human. I need to live something to understand it fully, like a human. If thats reason enough for me to lose my life, then thats sad. But then again if your posting here your most likely perfect and have no time to care about 7 kids losing there lives. If you did something so idiotic, would you expect people to feel BAD for you? It's hard to feel bad for people who do something so bloody asinine. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Driving 80+ MPH isn't "Shenannigans" especially when you're the only one doing it. Thousands and thousands of people are killed annually by stupid speeding drivers. These kids could have told you that. That kind of speeding is not like speeding or even (IMO) doing pot. It's often directly linked to deaths of the perps or people around them. Just because they wanted to be rebellious doesn't mean it's "ok" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted December 31, 2003 There's a big difference between feeling bad and saying they all deserved to die. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 First of all I certainly said I know if they "deserved" to die. Something like that. I am saying it's not surprising or particularly pitiful. It's entirely their fault, and I'm certainly glad no one else was hurt. Someone who was just idling and was rear ended and paralysed for the rest of their life. That would have inspired sympathy. These kids don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notJames 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Rebellious is bringing your own food into a movie theatre. Rebellious is wearing a Union shirt into Wal*Mart. Stealing a car, driving underage without a license and dangerously over the speed limit is not rebellious. It's criminally stupid and thoughtless. They deserved every bit of death that smeared them across the tarmac. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Alright, I'll just accept the absolute perfection of everyone but these 7 kids and accept that there death should in no means make me sad because they deserved to die. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Yeah, because it's not like teenagers thrive off of being rebellious. ::Was a teenager:: ::Never stole a car:: Rebellious is wearing jeans and a wife beater to your brother's wedding. What they did was criminal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2004 Alright, I'll just accept the absolute perfection of everyone but these 7 kids and accept that there death should in no means make me sad because they deserved to die. Acceptance is the first step. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2004 Alright, I'll just accept the absolute perfection of everyone but these 7 kids and accept that there death should in no means make me sad because they deserved to die. Acceptance is the first step. The next step is....have a sandwich. Deserving? No Putting their life and the lives of others in their hands? Yes Stupid? When you put other lives in danger, yes you are stupid. Therefore, I'm just glad they were the only ones who went. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2004 Alright, I'll just accept the absolute perfection of everyone but these 7 kids and accept that there death should in no means make me sad because they deserved to die. Don't be an ass. I've done things that are not perfect but the thing that separates what I did from these people is that what I've done wasn't criminal and what I did never could have caused harm to others, more so just harm to myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 1, 2004 It's not about how small or large the consequences were, it's about giving humans a chance to learn from there mistakes before you condemn or write them off. But I guess it's easier when your detached and there dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2004 It's not about how small or large the consequences were, it's about giving humans a chance to learn from there mistakes before you condemn or write them off. But I guess it's easier when your detached and there dead. I've had someone close to me do something stupid and I was sad, but I was glad they didn't take anyone else with them. I knew it was stupid and to this day, I call them stupid for it. You don't GET second chances in life that often so I'm not going to cry when some group of idiots speed down a road and die. You get one chance, two if you are lucky and if you trip up, you are gone. They tripped up, they are gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 1, 2004 The guy who left his car in a position where could be stolen made a mistake. The kids who stole the car, and drove without seatbelts and a license over the speed limit committed a crime. Somehow people have decided that they are the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2004 And these kids HAD the chance to own up to the mistake. When the cop lights came on, they got the choice Live or die They didn't want the second chance, they choose to run and they gave up that second chance when they did. All they had to do was pull over and face the music and learn from the mistake. Instead, the gas was pushed down and they died for it. They made many bad choices and they got the chance to have a second attempt, to learn. But they didn't pick that door so they are gone. And that's the last thing I have to say about them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 1, 2004 Yeah I'm sure they all decided when they saw the cops lights that they wanted to die.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2004 Ghettoman, if these kids had hit a car that contained loved ones of yours and killed them, while the kids lived, how would you feel? They would have made their "mistake" lived to "learn" from it, while your family is now dead because some kids decided to be "rebellious". My position is that I am very happy that no one else died or was hurt. It's unfortunate that they died, but it was no one's fault but their own for being so reckless with their lives and others. No, I'm not perfect, but I can say I've never done anything like stealing a car, and swerving at 85MPH without a license. I would never do something that would put someone else in danger. I was brought up better that that. If that makes me an "elitist", fine. I think it just makes me a senseable human being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 1, 2004 Ghettoman, if these kids had hit a car that contained loved ones of yours and killed them, while the kids lived, how would you feel? They would have made their "mistake" lived to "learn" from it, while your family is now dead because some kids decided to be "rebellious". My position is that I am very happy that no one else died or was hurt. It's unfortunate that they died, but it was no one's fault but their own for being so reckless with their lives and others. No, I'm not perfect, but I can say I've never done anything like stealing a car, and swerving at 85MPH without a license. I would never do something that would put someone else in danger. I was brought up better that that. If that makes me an "elitist", fine. I think it just makes me a senseable human being. ahem....OWNED. Couldn't have said it better myself. (dances away to happy land filled with gum drop houses and lollipop lamp posts) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 1, 2004 THEY WERE KIDS!!!! 40 year olds, ok, they've lived long enough to really understand and grasp those concequences, but there was a 13 year old in that car, and because she made one mistake in her life that led to her death you've gone as far as classifying her as a worthless idiot. Mistakes are mistakes, it doesn't matter how big it is, none of these kids planned to die, they obviously didn't grasp the severity of what they were doing, and if the recourse of human error is rightfully death, why are any of us alive? Have none of us put ourselves in risk of death at one point or another, not overly concerned with the fact because we've never experienced the worst case scenario or near it? Driving a car, flying on a plane, bungi jumping, doesn't matter to which extreme because it's one in the same. I mean if you pass a 'enter at your own risk' sign in your life, do you deserve to die? I just think it's so much easier when like I said, there dead and your all detached. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2004 I'm confused, when did the age of 13 mean you didn't know the law and couldn't tell from right and wrong? If they were below the age of 10....yeah, I'd agree they didn't understand. But they were teenagers, they knew. Just like that bull that 13 yr olds can't commit murder cause they don't understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 1, 2004 Where was this guy to argue at the trial of a 13 yr old who killed a little girl doing wrestling moves because he was slow minded? A 13 year old being on trial as an Adult to serve LIFE because he wasn't all there from birth is a tragedy but a 99.9% sure competent 13 year old gets in a car with SIX OTHER PEOPLE (sorry, I only go in cars with 3 others or less, unless they are all skinny then maybe 4 people) going 80-100 MPH WITH SOME 15 yr. old driving WITHOUT a license is begging for trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 1, 2004 THEY WERE KIDS!!!! 40 year olds, ok, they've lived long enough to really understand and grasp those concequences, I don't consider myself extremely advanced and had that "stolen car=bad, driving 100 mph=bad, running from the cops=bad" thing down pretty well as a teen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2004 THEY WERE KIDS!!!! 40 year olds, ok, they've lived long enough to really understand and grasp those concequences, I don't consider myself extremely advanced and had that "stolen car=bad, driving 100 mph=bad, running from the cops=bad" thing down pretty well as a teen. Perhaps they were going to learn about this in school next week or something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 1, 2004 Perhaps. I never had to deal with the public school system, so I don't know when they get around to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2004 THEY WERE KIDS!!!! 40 year olds, ok, they've lived long enough to really understand and grasp those concequences, but there was a 13 year old in that car, and because she made one mistake in her life that led to her death you've gone as far as classifying her as a worthless idiot. Is it okay if I classify you as a worthless fucking idiot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites