Guest Choken One Report post Posted January 2, 2004 Here's what the Royal Rumble 2004 Card from Philly is looking like right now WWE Title Match* Brock Lesnar Vs Hardcore Holly Royal Rumble* Announced: Kurt Angle, Billy Gunn, John Cena and Chris Benoit (at #1) *Confirmed These are the expected/rumored Matches to join the card World Title Triple H Vs HBK Chris Jericho Vs Christian World Tag Team Title Match Batistia and Ric Flair Vs Dudley Boyz We might we See Guerreros/Bashams in a reprise of the Hart Bros in 1994 against the Bashams (unless they can somehow hotshot the title to W.G.T.T) The card doesn't look too bad... People are using the stupid arguement of "How can Holly/Brock draw!?!" It's not expected to. The rumble is the March Madness of Wrestling. That will draw. However, I would perfer that they made the match Non-Title, Non-Scantioned (ala Shawn/HHH at slam 02) in a Philly Street Fight (hell, Have Heyman make the ECW connection with it by calling it an ECW RULES match) Shawn/Trips will have a hell of a hard task to trump the Raw Match and they got 30 minutes there...Some have suggested to use a special gimmick match for it...Shawn/HHH already used the 3 Stages of Hell match and Straight Up 2/3 falls doesn't seem to exist anymore. I can't think of why They would use a I Quit stip (either are known for their submission tactics)...Cage Match would seem pointless if Holly/Brock does a Streetfight... What do Shawn and HHH Do very well? Besides play politics...Bleed. How about a First Blood Match? Nah. That's half the work rate for Trips gone away...I'm not sure what Gimmick would work here but I'm sure it'll still be good one way or another. I have a feeling Jericho will lose to X early in the night only to have a great rumble run (along with eliminating X)... Eddy/Chavo should either finally have that fucking one on one match or lose the final chance tag match and Chavo COMPLETES the heel turn(if he hasn't already after tonight)...Eddy should win the match and enter the rumble early and chavo late. Randy Orton's stock is dropping so I don't expect him to go over like some are fearing, I do expect him to get a hypejob going into it, He should do the Ted Dibiase route and bribe his way to the #30 entry. The question is this...How do you keep Goldberg and Kane strong here when they won't be going over and the rumble is too stacked to do the "RAMPAGE" scenario when they dectimate the ring (ala Diesel, 'Taker, 'Kishi etc.). I'd say have Kane enter at #13 (WWE's idea of symbolism) and eliminates about 3-4 mid-carders (let's say Dreamer, Steiner, Kishi and Maven) and Laughs in the faces of the others until the other 6 in the ring gang up and eliminate him. Kane is irate and pulls a Vader 1996 on them. *This will give Benoit his chance to rest by leaving him out for about 5 minutes*. Goldberg should be a SURPRISE Entry at #28. He goes in and Spears the fuck outta bout 3-4 heels. Then Triple H(after retaining his title, Former Tag team champs Flair and Batisita interfere)...They beat him up and bust him up outside the ring....#29 comes out...TBS. TBS throws in a punch for the hell of it. Trips hears the countdown for #30 and taps his head and they roll GBerg into the ring...#30 comes out...it's Randy Orton. They slap hands as he prepares to enter but Goldberg spears Orton right off the apron and Orton goes flying into the railing. Goldberg leaps over(thus eliminating self) and chases Orton around and Orton crawls into the ring only for Jericho to back drop him out (ala Bulldog/Owen) Goldberg continues his hunt for Orton down the aisle. That keeps heat on both GBerg and Kane and keeps them from screwing up the rumble. Here is the list I expect to see of Rumble Entrants Raw: Orton, Jericho, Christian, Test, Steiner, RVD, Booker, Hurricane, Dreamer(ecw here folks), Henry, Maven, Kane, Goldberg, D-Von and Bubba. Smackdown: Angle, Cena, Gunn, Benoit, Eddy, Chavo, TBS, Mysterio, Tajiri, Morgan, A-Train, Haas, Benjamin, Rikishi (his 10th) and Knoble. and here is my "desired" enterance order Chris Benoit Charlie Haas Maven Mark Henry Test Eddy Guerrero Dreamer D-Von Dudley Benjamin Rikishi Chris Jericho Scott Steiner Kane Bubba Dudley John Cena Hurricane Knoble Billy Gunn A-Train Booker T Matt Morgan Tajiri Kurt Angle Christian Rob Van Dam Mysterio Chavo Guerrero Goldberg The Big Show Randy Orton Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2004 I think Booker T Vs. Kane John Cena Vs. Big Show (US Title) Victoria Vs. Molly (Women's Championship) could be added as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank Grimes Report post Posted January 2, 2004 Victoria Vs. Molly Likely to be the 3rd best match on the card after the Rumble and HBK/HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2004 I think Booker T Vs. Kane John Cena Vs. Big Show (US Title) Victoria Vs. Molly (Women's Championship) could be added as well. Expect Booker T/Kane to just be a feud that's contained in the Rumble, with maybe a blowoff match on Raw. Cena's already in the Royal Rumble. They COULD have him do double-duty, but it's more likely they'd do Cena/Show for the U.S. Title at No Way Out or WrestleMania (assuming he doesn't win the Rumble) Victoria/Molly will probably be a match at the Royal Rumble, but I would expect for them to add Trish in too. She got the win on Raw, and I doubt they want a women's title match with 2 heels. So I'd expect a Victoria/Molly/Trish match for the Women's title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2004 Thats too many matches. I want 2 minutes between each wrestler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2004 I don't think either of the tag titles will be defended at the PPV. Also Booker / Kane should be a match because of Spoiler (Highlight to Read): The Undertaker's return to set-up the WM match . It wouldn't be right if that happened during the Rumble itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted January 2, 2004 Why? Isn't a title shot more important than a win over Booker T? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2004 Keller made a great argument for why Holly/Brock makes sense at the Rumble. The true draw of the show is the Rumble match itself plus there will be TWO world title matches on the undercard. Holly is only going to cool off, so they might as well use him while he's hot and the fans are liking him. Plus, if Benoit was given the title shot, he would likely lose, and thus suffer some damage. Thus, Holly makes a good interim title contender until they're ready to go with Benoit, likely at or after WM. I've warmed up to it. If they add HHH/HBK II it will be a must see show (how do you like that one!?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 2, 2004 So the projected line up has Kane fucked out of his Main Event push again. Jesus Kane,. complain to a writer or something. You take too much shit from them. You already should have had a year long reign for that damn Necrophilla angle and somehow staying over....unless Randy ORton kills the crowd before you come out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2004 HHH vs. Kane (and Goldberg): Agonizing, plodding, sloppy match, barely *. HHH vs. HBK: 30 minute emotional classic, close to *****. I think I'll take the latter, please! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 2, 2004 HHH vs. Kane (and Goldberg): Agonizing, plodding, sloppy match, barely *. HHH vs. HBK: 30 minute emotional classic, close to *****. I think I'll take the latter, please! I'm not saying Kane/HHH is able to even touch HHH/HBK in match ratings, but the guy deserves a shot at the top for once. Hell, WWE is pushing BROCK v. HOLLY AS A WORLD TITLE MATCH. I'm not complaining, because its something NEW for once instead of Brock/UT, Brock/Angle or Brock/Angle/TBS. But Kane's been in the promotion since 1995 (Issac Yankem, Fake Diesel...ugh) and has been recycles back to the mid-card everytime it looks like he's going to win the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 2, 2004 I'm beginning to think Chavo will never turn on Eddy. He'll just leech off Eddy forever. By Summerslam, when Chavo FINALLY turns, Chavo will have sucked everything out Eddy and any chance Eddy had to be a big star will be dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2004 Why? Isn't a title shot more important than a win over Booker T? HHH thinks a match with HBK would draw more buyrates (which unfortunately is true). So Kane gets the shaft again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted January 2, 2004 How is that true? Shawn/HHH might have been an kick ass match but it didn't change the ratings...So it's not like the appeal was there the first time and that was free. Armageddon 2002 I believe is still the lowest buyrate ever for WWE PPV (although I'm really willing to bet that Bad Blood or No Mercy were lower). Kane did prove he was was a ratings draw in the summer where his segments were consistantly above 4.0 levels unlike HBK and RVD's segments (in Main events). While I'd perfer to see my Money go to seeing another potential **** match with Shawn/HHH, Kane would be the "better" draw dispite meaning a absolutly sucktactular match. Don't worry AS...The way it looks, Chavo will leech off Kurt next. Here is a question to ponder with Benoit being #1... Will they go the Ric Flair route and have a full Sixty Minute run or cheapen it with the Backlund route or even worse...The HBK route? I'm banking they'll do the Backlund route for some reason... That route being where Backlund wrestled for like 10 minutes before getting knocked out by Berzerker(Rhyno) and laying on the outside for 15 minutes and crawling into the ring and falling asleep cuddling the bottom rope for 25 minutes and then for the last 3 minutes tries to clothesline Yokozuna(TBS) out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 2, 2004 Don't worry AS...The way it looks, Chavo will leech off Kurt next. ::sigh:: I know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 2, 2004 How is that true? Shawn/HHH might have been an kick ass match but it didn't change the ratings...So it's not like the appeal was there the first time and that was free. Armageddon 2002 I believe is still the lowest buyrate ever for WWE PPV (although I'm really willing to bet that Bad Blood or No Mercy were lower). Kane did prove he was was a ratings draw in the summer where his segments were consistantly above 4.0 levels unlike HBK and RVD's segments (in Main events). While I'd perfer to see my Money go to seeing another potential **** match with Shawn/HHH, Kane would be the "better" draw dispite meaning a absolutly sucktactular match. Don't worry AS...The way it looks, Chavo will leech off Kurt next. Here is a question to ponder with Benoit being #1... Will they go the Ric Flair route and have a full Sixty Minute run or cheapen it with the Backlund route or even worse...The HBK route? I'm banking they'll do the Backlund route for some reason... That route being where Backlund wrestled for like 10 minutes before getting knocked out by Berzerker(Rhyno) and laying on the outside for 15 minutes and crawling into the ring and falling asleep cuddling the bottom rope for 25 minutes and then for the last 3 minutes tries to clothesline Yokozuna(TBS) out? Backlund being in the entire time wasn't that cheap looking. Outside of the rest on the outside (which was the convinient Gonzalez/UT part) he wasn't slacking that much until the camera would catch a look of him exhausted. But remember, was he even in wrestling anymore when he returned? I'm sure he wasn't in the best physical shape of his life to wrestle like Flair did for an hour. And back to Kane, remember, he was popping 5.0+ over-run ratings, which for WWE these days is a 8.0. FUCKING SHANE MCMAHON for ruining the trend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted January 2, 2004 Yes it was cheap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I was thinking if they do go Kane/Booker T, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to let Booker win the IC strap first so that they at least had something to fight over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I assume that the Booker/Kane feud is just a mini-feud for the Rumble. You know, so there are certain confrontations that people are eager to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Well, *I'm* not eager to see Booker/Kane, for whatever it's worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I was thinking if they do go Kane/Booker T, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to let Booker win the IC strap first so that they at least had something to fight over. And admit that the Randy Orton experiment has been a monumental failure? NEVER! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ravenbomb 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 It's mising something...: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Well, this is the first PPV that I am ordering since SummerSlam, so Im looking foward to it. I hope to god that Benoit wins the Rumble, and if he doesn't, I could handle Cena or Eddie winning the match. As for The Two World Title matches, I don't really mind the result of the HBK/HHH match, although if HBK wins and then Angle wins the Rumble, I'll be very happy. If Holly is even given a chance at winning the WWE Championship, I will be very pissed off. As for the undercard, I really don't care a whole lot. Latino Leech and Eddie will most probably be involved in some kind of match/angle, as will Evolution and the Dudleys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Here's something that escapes me... No one is buying that Holly will go as the champion with WMXX so close...Wouldn't making this match an Non-Scantioned Street Fight give Holly a better "chance" to the fans to buy that he would win? The whole hype been that Holly wants revenge not the title... Wouldn't Brock perfer to make he still has his title no matter what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tino Standard 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Keller made a great argument for why Holly/Brock makes sense at the Rumble. The true draw of the show is the Rumble match itself plus there will be TWO world title matches on the undercard. Holly is only going to cool off, so they might as well use him while he's hot and the fans are liking him. ... but therein lies the problem... NOBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT HARDCORE HOLLY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 ^ Unless he gets his ass whooped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest reshad974 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I have the feeling that there will be a big surprise at Royal Rumble 2004. I smell holly winning the title in controversial fashion and then, benoit winning it the following Tuesday on smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I have the feeling that there will be a big surprise at Royal Rumble 2004. I smell holly winning the title in controversial fashion and then, benoit winning it the following Tuesday on smackdown. Yeah. And Rob Van Dam and Booker T will hold the World Title for the the remainder of the next billion years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooreMark 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I have the feeling that there will be a big surprise at Royal Rumble 2004. I smell holly winning the title in controversial fashion and then, benoit winning it the following Tuesday on smackdown. Yeah. And Rob Van Dam and Booker T will hold the World Title for the the remainder of the next billion years. Not to mention Jericho beating HHH sixty times in a sixty-minute iron man match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I have the feeling that there will be a big surprise at Royal Rumble 2004. I smell holly winning the title in controversial fashion and then, benoit winning it the following Tuesday on smackdown. Yeah. And Rob Van Dam and Booker T will hold the World Title for the the remainder of the next billion years. Not to mention Jericho beating HHH sixty times in a sixty-minute iron man match. Which Moore do you mark for? Shannon? Michael? Mary Tyler? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
