State of the Union tonight.......

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

You're still not making any sense. Comparing benefits for gay couples to companies allowing smoke breaks?

I think I know what point he was trying to get at. Let me re-word a few things:

 

"It's like giving two people of the same gender a certificate to go marry, and allowing it because marriage is a habit along the same lines as having sex."

 

As for the benefits part, I think, he means that he doesn't believe gay couples should get benefits as a couple (I'm still a bit lost on this one) but if they adopted a child then they could get benefits in both their names due to the fact they now have a kid to take care of.

 

How off-base am I in my interpretation of what you said?...

[sfaJack 0]

Gay Marriage is wrong but Britney being married for 54 hours is ok and allowable? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Maybe I'm not talking to the right people or something, but I've yet to run across anyone who thinks that what she did was right. Not a soul. Nobody that I know thinks that she should have been allowed to get away with that, and it's a joke that they were able to get it annulled so quickly and painlessly.

 

What exactly is the point of bringing up the Britney thing? Nobody except her stupid fans think it was "cute" or "right." I fail to see how it supports your argument.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Like I said, the money could be used elsewhere.

...what money?

 

I'm so lost here.

 

Anyway, I watched the speech. Well-delivered. Funniest moment was the Democratic applause on "Provisions of the Patriot Act expire next year." Didn't appreciate the return to weapons of mass destruction blather, thought Bush's criticism of "activist judges" going against American opinion was well-juxtaposed with a shot of a black couple, and thought he blew over a shitty economy/job situation well enough that most viewers will go along with it. I felt a bit disgusted when he implied the potential necessity of the Ban Gay Marriage amendment if a judicial push for it continues, then immediately went on to discuss the importance of religious beliefs as sacrosanct. I also don't like his push to add funding specifically to abstinence programs in schools, but that's nothing new.

 

Overall, didn't really change my opinion too much. A good Democratic ticket in November will probably have me voting to revoke current Republican social policies more than anything else.

[Guest Krazy Karter]

Anyone else think Nancy was reading off cue cards?

No, never.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

What exactly is the point of bringing up the Britney thing? Nobody except her stupid fans think it was "cute" or "right." I fail to see how it supports your argument.

If anything I think it supports homosexuals to have their own civil unions.

 

Why ruin a perfectly good relationship with MARRIAGE?...

[Guest Krazy Karter]

You're still not making any sense.  Comparing benefits for gay couples to companies allowing smoke breaks?

I think I know what point he was trying to get at. Let me re-word a few things:

 

"It's like giving two people of the same gender a certificate to go marry, and allowing it because marriage is a habit along the same lines as having sex."

 

As for the benefits part, I think, he means that he doesn't believe gay couples should get benefits as a couple (I'm still a bit lost on this one) but if they adopted a child then they could get benefits in both their names due to the fact they now have a kid to take care of.

 

How off-base am I in my interpretation of what you said?...

Bingo.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

You're still not making any sense.  Comparing benefits for gay couples to companies allowing smoke breaks?

I think I know what point he was trying to get at. Let me re-word a few things:

 

"It's like giving two people of the same gender a certificate to go marry, and allowing it because marriage is a habit along the same lines as having sex."

Well, calling marriage a "habit" is still a head-scratcher (well, maybe it is for Joan Collins).

[sfaJack 0]

Why ruin a perfectly good relationship with MARRIAGE?...

Aren't you engaged?

[Ravenbomb 0]

but he's not married

[Guest Krazy Karter]

You're still not making any sense.  Comparing benefits for gay couples to companies allowing smoke breaks?

I think I know what point he was trying to get at. Let me re-word a few things:

 

"It's like giving two people of the same gender a certificate to go marry, and allowing it because marriage is a habit along the same lines as having sex."

Well, calling marriage a "habit" is still a head-scratcher (well, maybe it is for Joan Collins).

I was just showing how vague rules can leave loopholes open for groups to come in and assume the rules apply to them, when they don't.

 

Rule: People can take 15-minute breaks to carry out their habit

 

Smoking (implied), Masturbation (not implied)

 

Rule: Marriage constitutes the union between two people in love

 

Heterosexual Marriage (implied), Homosexual Marriage (not implied)

[Ravenbomb 0]

so...two gay people can get married as long as it's in a stall in the bathroom where they work?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I liked that the Democrats applauded when he said that the Patriot Act was going to expire. Not that they will be able to do anything to prevent it from getting renewed..

Well, even Republicans are starting to dislike the Patriot Act. Not necessarily Congressional Republicans, but the whole "Patriot Sux" movement is really starting to get some steam.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Why ruin a perfectly good relationship with MARRIAGE?...

Aren't you engaged?

N*gga please.

 

I got "engaged" back in '99 when we signed for our first apartment lease together, which, if the paperwork was any indication, would be much harder to break than any plain-old marriage certificate...

[Dr. Tom 0]

duh i tihnk bush is a big dumb crap-for-brains who is the wrost president since millard fillmore who almost sank this country to its knees in the crisis of '35.

You know who you are. Keep this shit out of my CE folder.

 

Back on topic, I thought the speech was a good one. No real bombshells were dropped, but it came across well and had some memorable lines. I had to smirk at the "mistimed" applause on the Patriot Act comment, though. And seeing Uncle Ted shaking his head in frustration brought a smile to my face.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

And seeing Uncle Ted shaking his head in frustration brought a smile to my face.

 

Perhaps he was shaking off a hangover...

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

I think it's sad that gay marriage is getting so much play in this thread.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

And seeing Uncle Ted shaking his head in frustration brought a smile to my face.

And the timing with the Saddam comments was gold.

 

Anyone else surprised at the Dems not standing for "every culture desires freedom and self-government".

[Art Sandusky 0]

If Dean DID do the Journey thing, he'd be my personal god, not just my vote for President...

 

Actually, I'd rather see all the secretaries of the departments and the Republican leaders start up a lively rendition of "Hey Ya," with Bush as the lead singer of course. Then you can have a Saddam in cage shot, or something like the cutaway during the "Knights of the Round Table" musical number and have him clapping feebly whilst hanging in some gallows.

 

That's how I'd vote for Bush.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

That's how I'd vote for Bush.

 

I think Bush will manage without your vote -- your state is pretty much in his column.

 

Now if you lived in, say, Michigan...

[Art Sandusky 0]

That's how I'd vote for Bush.

 

I think Bush will manage without your vote -- your state is pretty much in his column.

That's what his advertisments should be in states he expects to win handily.

 

"My fellow dissenting Americans in 'INSERT REPUBLICAN STATE' (and it'll actually say this too), you know I'm winning your state, so your vote is pretty meaningless."

[NoCalMike 0]

You're still not making any sense.  Comparing benefits for gay couples to companies allowing smoke breaks?

I think I know what point he was trying to get at. Let me re-word a few things:

 

"It's like giving two people of the same gender a certificate to go marry, and allowing it because marriage is a habit along the same lines as having sex."

Well, calling marriage a "habit" is still a head-scratcher (well, maybe it is for Joan Collins).

I was just showing how vague rules can leave loopholes open for groups to come in and assume the rules apply to them, when they don't.

 

Rule: People can take 15-minute breaks to carry out their habit

 

Smoking (implied), Masturbation (not implied)

 

Rule: Marriage constitutes the union between two people in love

 

Heterosexual Marriage (implied), Homosexual Marriage (not implied)

WTF does that mean? To me it comes down to a simple civil rights issue, end of story. Is marriage a civil right or is it a privelage that a man and a woman have?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

"My fellow dissenting Americans in 'INSERT REPUBLICAN STATE' (and it'll actually say this too), you know I'm winning your state, so your vote is pretty meaningless."

Nah. I think he'll just stick to his old ideals:

 

 

"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road. I'm going to prevent that."

[Perfxion 0]

Let me make myself clear. By the laws of this land, two hetro people can get married on a whim and Hollywood can break everything Bush is trying to make marriage stand for is wrong to do, but ok by law and allowable. IE: Married By America and all reality shows like it and Shit like what J-Lo and Briitney did. But it is wrong to allow two people who love each other and WANT to stay together get married. I am pointing it out that the laws make no sense.

 

It is like if whites could go into any Burger King and do what they please like spit on the food and throw it on the floor. But Blacks couldn't even get in the door, even if all they wanted to do was eat out...wait, bad pun there.

 

 

As for other parts of his speech. He wants tax cuts to stay but he wants to spend like a Dem? Uh, WHERE IS THIS MONEY GOING TO COME FROM?!?! He got over as a Conservative Republican. He should act like one.

 

His "No Child Left Behind" crap. He fails to see that some people don't want to learn. Social Promoation is the problem with schooling. Not letting someone through the ranks because he stopped showing up the 3rd month of the school year but came back in time for prom. He should see how well people in his state are doing with his college plan. Giving kids who don't deserve it a chance a schools they shouldn't even be in is just wrong dumb and wasteing time of a whole lot of people.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

I think it's sad that gay marriage is getting so much play in this thread.

It's not sad considering Bush pretty much came out & said a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT might be needed to outlaw gay marriages.

 

Shouldn't they be reserved for, y'know, *important* things?

[Firestarter 0]

Look at Europe's projected negative population growth rates in the next few decades, and you might understand why it's important.

 

Frankly, the more I think about it, the more I think the President is on the right side of the gay marriage issue. I'm still sorting through it all in my head, but I'm now tilting towards a constitutional amendment myself.

[Guest The Satanic Angel]

I think it's sad that gay marriage is getting so much play in this thread.

It's not sad considering Bush pretty much came out & said a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT might be needed to outlaw gay marriages.

 

Shouldn't they be reserved for, y'know, *important* things?

 

I just want to know what happened to the separation of church and state.

[Firestarter 0]

There's a perfectly secular rationale for banning gay marriage which has nothing to do with religion. Actually, several churches specifically approved, celebrated, and respected gay marriages for centuries, so the whole "rabid Christians are taking over the government" spiel is pretty weak on its face.

[Guest The Satanic Angel]

There's a perfectly secular rationale for banning gay marriage which has nothing to do with religion. Actually, several churches specifically approved, celebrated, and respected gay marriages for centuries, so the whole "rabid Christians are taking over the government" spiel is pretty weak on its face.

 

I love how you take my simple statement and make it into some big theory that I must believe.

 

What is the rationale behind banning gay marriage in your opinion?

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Look at Europe's projected negative population growth rates in the next few decades, and you might understand why it's important.

I don't see what negative population growth has to do w/ it. It's not like gay couples would break up & get involved in heterosexual relationships if gay marriage was banned, or that heterosexuals would get involved in gay relationships if gay marriages were allowed.

[C Dubya 04 0]

There's a perfectly secular rationale for banning gay marriage which has nothing to do with religion. Actually, several churches specifically approved, celebrated, and respected gay marriages for centuries, so the whole "rabid Christians are taking over the government" spiel is pretty weak on its face.

I'd really like to hear this. I see no reason at all for banning gay marriages and would not be convinced because somewhere it says that "marriage" is between a man and a woman. I know what it says, but I want someone to give me a good reason as to why.

 

I have a problem with all the mentions of religion in the state of the union address. It seems to me that this country is intent on giving everyone the freedom of religion, except for those people who chose not to have any religion in their lives.