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I was looking for some additional info regarding Rant's "Arnold" thread, and found this gem that I couldn't leave alone...

 

ROHNERT PARK, Calif. — Just before the final bell at Rancho Cotate High School on a recent afternoon, a campus supervisor reported to Principal Mitchell Carter on his walkie-talkie: "I'm in position. Subject in view."

 

The focus of the extra security was a lanky, blue-eyed, 17-year-old high school junior, Tim Bueler, whose claims of political harassment by "liberal" students and faculty have made him into something of a youth hero among conservative Web bloggers and radio talk show hosts across the country.

 

Since the beginning of January, Bueler has been escorted by an adult school official to and from every class and to his father's car at the end of the day. The precaution was ordered by the school district superintendent after several confrontations between Bueler and fellow members of the school Conservative Club, and other students who object to what they claim are "racist" writings in the club's political tracts.

 

The resulting free speech divide has ruffled feathers and formed fault lines in the 1,900-pupil, predominantly white, middle-class school nicknamed by students "The Ranch."

 

According to a timeline issued by the Cotati-Rohnert Park City School District, the controversy started Dec. 3 when the Conservative Club, which Bueler organized last fall, posted an inflammatory flier at the high school announcing the creation of a "Conservative Hotline," where students could report examples of "un-American" comments by their teachers.

 

"Let's take a stand against the liberal traitors who call themselves teachers," proclaimed the flier, which had not been approved by the club's faculty advisor as required under school rules.

 

In response, an anonymous faculty member proposed a "Liberal Hotline" to counter the Conservative Club. "Have you heard any un-American comments expressed by your reactionary students lately?" the flier asked, parodying the original. "Let's take a stand against the neo-conservative wing-nuts who call themselves Americans." The Liberal flier concluded: "P.S. Flush Rush," referring to right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh.

 

On Dec. 12 Bueler inflamed matters by distributing a Conservative Club newsletter in which he wrote that "Liberals welcome every Muhammad, Jamul and Jose who wishes to leave his Third World state and come to America — mostly illegally — to rip off our health-care system, balkanize our language and destroy our political system."

 

The statement was borrowed directly from the sayings and writings of nationally syndicated San Francisco radio host Michael Savage, whom Buehler credits for inspiration.

 

The club's motto, "Protecting our Borders, Language and Culture," is also a Savage slogan.

 

The resulting political turmoil — which angered some of the school's Latino students and provoked a letter of protest from 40 school officials, including the nurse and Principal Carter — has tested the 1st Amendment tethers of this bedroom community about one hour's drive north of San Francisco.

 

The school district's beleaguered superintendent, Michael Watenpaugh, has accused the Conservative Club and the high school staff of "missteps" since the issue erupted. High school administrators and faculty contend that they have been unfairly targeted.

 

"Outside conservative groups are using this as an opportunity to advance their agenda and to criticize public education," said Rancho Cotate Athletic Director Mark Alton, who also teaches science courses.

 

Lost in the shuffle, said Alton and others, is that the Conservative Club was allowed in the first place, joining the ranks of other more typical student groups such as the Model U.N. Club, Christian Club, SAVE (Environmental) Club, Stop Hate Club and the Gay/Straight Alliance.

 

"From the beginning," said Alton, who played on local softball teams with Bueler's father, "most of us have defended the right of the club to exist. No one has denied Tim Bueler's right to his opinions."

 

As a result of the national attention, Carter, a 51-year-old Boston native, said he has received "thousands" of e-mails, including some that have compared him to Osama bin Laden and other villains. Most of the criticism centers on Carter's suggestion in December that Bueler go home for a several-day "cooling-off period" after some students confronted Bueler, calling him a "Nazi" and inviting him outside for a fight. Bueler declined the offer to leave, a stand that has won him praise in conservative circles.

 

Bueler is delighted by all the attention. In an interview at his family home while his father, Dennis, a telephone company technician, looked on proudly, Bueler ticked off the dozen or so radio and television talk shows that have featured his case, including those hosted by Limbaugh and Dr. Laura Schlessinger.

 

Bueler was particularly pleased by a Dec. 30 Washington Times article detailing his claims of harassment by staff and students.

 

On Feb. 7, he is scheduled to be a featured speaker at the annual state convention of Eagle Forum, a national organization founded by conservative Phyllis Schlafly that crusades against "liberal bias" in public schools.

 

One of the few downsides, said Bueler, whose upstairs room/office is a typical teenage boy's collection of sports posters and "Star Wars" memorabilia, is that the celebrity has cut into his three-hour evening ritual of listening to the Savage show "Savage Nation." He said he keeps the AM radio in his room permanently tuned to the local Savage station.

 

"I'm missing it right now. I'm getting depressed," Bueler said, breaking into a broad smile. "It's almost like a drug to me. I have to listen to him." Bueler does not agree with everything Savage says. He does not condone, for example, Savage calling a gay caller a "sodomite" and telling him to "get AIDS and die" — a statement that caused the cancellation of his short-lived Saturday afternoon talk show on MSNBC. It's just that for Bueler, a news junkie who reads the online versions of the Washington Times and New York Times every morning as well as several conservative-view websites, Savage is "the voice of reason. He's my hero."

 

Learning that a reporter had met Savage, a former homeopathic medicine and folk-remedy expert whose real name is Michael A. Weiner, Bueler asked excitedly: "Is he the most intelligent man you've ever met?"

 

Bueler's hometown is not particularly liberal by Northern California standards. However, voting records show that the 42,000-population Rohnert Park, home of Sonoma State, is solidly Democratic. In the 2000 presidential race, for example, Al Gore got 9,179 votes compared with 5,113 for George W. Bush.

 

Likewise, said Carter, the school faculty largely reflects the community in which it resides. Alton, who attended UC Davis on a military ROTC scholarship, described himself as a "liberal progressive with a possibly surprising conservative view here and there."

 

In an effort to defuse the situation at the high school, Supt. Watenpaugh sent lawyers to the campus to discuss 1st Amendment law, ordered the extra security between classes for Bueler and issued a statement accusing both sides of "missteps."

 

The Conservative Club was wrong, Watenpaugh said, for distributing a flier and newsletter without first getting approval from the faculty advisor. After the Dec. 12 newsletter, the faculty advisor resigned. The club is currently on its third advisor, math teacher Brian Connich.

 

The school administration was wrong, said Watenpaugh, in suggesting the "cooling off" period, which opened the door to conservative criticism. "Why was my son told to take a cooling off when it was the other students who called him a racist and asked for a fight?" asked Dennis Bueler, a former college baseball player who said his views are slightly more politically moderate than those of his son.

 

Tensions at the school flared up again Friday at the time of the regular noon meeting of the Conservative Club. Responding to reports of a possible disturbance connected to the meeting, Rohnert Park police sent 15 officers to the school. No arrests were made.

 

For 44-year-old Watenpaugh, who has been superintendent for six months, it is mostly by chance that his district ended up at the center of the storm.

 

"It's just coincidence that our particular school is being labeled," Watenpaugh said. "I believe it could have happened anywhere."

 

Indeed, one of the results of the Rohnert Park case is that conservatives are calling for the creation of Conservative Clubs in other schools.

 

"These are all clean-cut, courteous, well-informed students," said Santa Rosa schoolteacher Orlean Koehle, 60, a mother of six who heads the California chapter of Eagle Forum. "I hope every school gets a conservative club. Then maybe we would get some true American history and civics being discussed."

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Ah when people use there freedom to hurt another, the bowels of America.....

 

At least everyone knows the only way we can achieve our goals as a country is together, hence the group, counter-group bullshit.....

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Well, they have a right to hold their meetings and discuss their point of view on things (even if most at the school don't like it) without being harrassed, but they hurt their cause when they went behind the advisor's backs and put up the fylers. Other than that, I see nothing wrong with what he did.

 

PS. That doesn't mean I agree with what the kid says.

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Since the beginning of January, Bueler has been escorted by an adult school official to and from every class and to his father's car at the end of the day.

What a fucking pussy. If your Free Speech is so inflammatory that it incites many of your peers to truly want to beat the shit out of you, then maybe you should consider keeping your mouth closed on occasion.

 

For some reason the only thing I could think of while reading this article was the principal being some weasely-looking guy with a cheesy mustache growling "BUUUUUEEEEELLLLLLEEEERRRRR" under his breath.

 

Now THAT'S funny.

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What a fucking pussy. If your Free Speech is so inflammatory that it incites many of your peers to truly want to beat the shit out of you, then maybe you should consider keeping your mouth closed on occasion.

 

On the other hand, high schoolers as a rule aren't the most reasonable people and don't always appreciate the consequences of what they do. I remember being very easily inflamed in high school, and very outspoken on topics that I look back at now and laugh.

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What a fucking pussy. If your Free Speech is so inflammatory that it incites many of your peers to truly want to beat the shit out of you, then maybe you should consider keeping your mouth closed on occasion.

I'm pissed that I received everything from beatings to death threats the two years I went to public school and didn't get escorted from class to class.

 

 

I got knocked around so badly that I used to turn my head and whirl around at home, thinking someone was sneaking up on me. This kid just barks off Michael Savage lines and he gets his own security force. :angry:

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What a fucking pussy.  If your Free Speech is so inflammatory that it incites many of your peers to truly want to beat the shit out of you, then maybe you should consider keeping your mouth closed on occasion.

I'm pissed that I received everything from beatings to death threats the two years I went to public school and didn't get escorted from class to class.

 

 

I got knocked around so badly that I used to turn my head and whirl around at home, thinking someone was sneaking up on me. This kid just barks off Michael Savage lines and he gets his own security force. :angry:

I hear about this "controversy" all the time on my local radio and I have one thing to say: Can you imagine the amount of support this student would receive if he were GAY and this abuse was happening to the Gay Club? Oh my god, there'd be a media firestorm complete with Gloria Allred, the ACLU, forced diversity assemblies, the SWAT team, you name it. But no, just because this outstanding young man happens to love America enough to start a club with the effort to inform people of the dangers to America (terrorism, illegal immigration, liberal bias, communism), he gets abused by the oh so intolerant masses. And don't start with me on the "oh he's only getting threatened because the club's information was done in an inflammatory fashion" because the LEFT is nothing but "in your face." I had to put up with so much leftist propaganda in high school that it makes me sick just thinking about it. Everywhere I turned I and my fellow classmates were being lectured continiously, and via the most in-your-face tactics possible, about gays, diversity, homophobia, ect ect.

 

Just remember, what would be going on at this school if the Gay Club had condemned the world's homophobia in an "inflammatory" fashion and there was an uproar?

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FUCK DIRECTIONS! ALL THIS LEFT AND RIGHT BULLSHIT, AND NO ONES GOING FOWARD!!! ARGH!!!!!!!!!!111

 

I think I should leave this folder for my own good.....

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But no, just because this outstanding young man happens to love America enough to start a club with the effort to inform people of the dangers to AmericaAmerica (terrorism, illegal immigration, liberal bias, communism)

Communism? You're calling communism a problem in America in 2004?

 

And come on let's not put nice labels (like "anti-illegal immigration") on the things this guy's saying; he's obviously a racist dick.

I do agree however, that if all this were happening to a Gay Club or something like that, the uproar would be huge.

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The guy's a douche. Were it anybody on the left side, what would I say? The guy's a douche. You cannot HONESTLY expect to say something that could very well piss off a section of the school and not expect to have some malice directed towards you. To think otherwise is just idiocy.

 

And Olympic, if this were a member of their GSA that did that, know what I'd say? The guy's (or chick's) a douche. You cannot force your values onto anybody, nor accuse somebody of being un-American simply because they have a difference in opinion. THAT, in itself, is un-American.

 

And on that, we cue the music.

I could never be your woman...I---- could never be your---- woman--...

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But no, just because this outstanding young man happens to love America enough to start a club with the effort to inform people of the dangers to AmericaAmerica (terrorism, illegal immigration, liberal bias, communism)

Communism? You're calling communism a problem in America in 2004?

 

And come on let's not put nice labels (like "anti-illegal immigration") on the things this guy's saying; he's obviously a racist dick.

I do agree however, that if all this were happening to a Gay Club or something like that, the uproar would be huge.

1. Yes, communism, marxism and socialism are HUGE threats to America right now. A far bigger threat than Islamic terrorism. I've come face to face with communist thinking and it is prevelant everywhere. Our children are getting it spoon fed to them in school and I'm getting it from professors in college. Karl Marx is alive and well and if we're not careful, we're going to lose our nation to that brand of thinking. Socialism > Terrorism

 

2. Illegal Immigration is a huge threat to America. Arguing against a stance against imminration by simply calling it "racism" is cheap and unintelligent. You're dismissing something very real and very dangerous with knee-jerk "sensitivty." Think critically about things rather than assume there's a "phobia" behind every belief.

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The guy's a douche. Were it anybody on the left side, what would I say? The guy's a douche. You cannot HONESTLY expect to say something that could very well piss off a section of the school and not expect to have some malice directed towards you. To think otherwise is just idiocy.

 

And Olympic, if this were a member of their GSA that did that, know what I'd say? The guy's (or chick's) a douche. You cannot force your values onto anybody, nor accuse somebody of being un-American simply because they have a difference in opinion. THAT, in itself, is un-American.

 

And on that, we cue the music.

I could never be your woman...I---- could never be your---- woman--...

You're right, you can't force your opinions on others if they don't want to listen. But, this conservative club was formed because this guy was sick and tired of liberalism being forced upon him by teachers. I have to deal with it everyday in college. And I don't have to deal with just "Democrats good, Republicans bad," I have to put up with stuff like "the Soviet Union was a peaceful nation and was only a threat because of Americas intolerance of other, more tolerant, class systems." I shit you not.....

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Yes, communism, marxism and socialism are HUGE threats to America right now. A far bigger threat than Islamic terrorism. I've come face to face with communist thinking and it is prevelant everywhere. Our children are getting it spoon fed to them in school and I'm getting it from professors in college. Karl Marx is alive and well and if we're not careful, we're going to lose our nation to that brand of thinking. Socialism > Terrorism

So American children are learning that you should live in a state of common ownership of production with mercantilistic tendencies while striving to abolish government and kill religion shutting out all foreign influences ina n attempt at creating a disjointed utopian society.

Or are you just labelling everything left of conservatism "communism."

 

And I'm definately not calling an argument against illegal immigration "racism," I'm competely against illegal immigration. I'm saying that people will sometimes twist racist messages into "patriotism" and other nice politically correct statements.

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But no, just because this outstanding young man happens to love America enough to start a club with the effort to inform people of the dangers to AmericaAmerica (terrorism, illegal immigration, liberal bias, communism)

Communism? You're calling communism a problem in America in 2004?

 

And come on let's not put nice labels (like "anti-illegal immigration") on the things this guy's saying; he's obviously a racist dick.

I do agree however, that if all this were happening to a Gay Club or something like that, the uproar would be huge.

In what way is he a "racist dick"? The only "racist" thing he said was the three names he gave out as illegal immigrants.

 

 

One thing no one has commented on that I thought was telling was this:

 

In response, an anonymous faculty member proposed a "Liberal Hotline" to counter the Conservative Club. "Have you heard any un-American comments expressed by your reactionary students lately?" the flier asked, parodying the original. "Let's take a stand against the neo-conservative wing-nuts who call themselves Americans." The Liberal flier concluded: "P.S. Flush Rush," referring to right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh.

 

Talk about childish nonsense. A teacher did this. Doesn't this just further cement this kid's case about left wing teachers? I would expect this out of a high school or immatture college kid but an adult hired to teach America's children.

 

BTW, this guy calls conservatives reactionary, isn't this newsletter a reaction to the one that the conservative group put out? I hate the term reactionary and I furtehr hate that is is used ina negative context. Everything is reactionary. Taking a piss is reactionary. Answering the phone is reactionary. Affirmative action is reactionary. Communism, Marxism, Socialism, liberalism, etc... is all reactionary. I've had more than enough of this "reactionary" and "progressive" horseshit.

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I know young people who work on the faculty at my brother's local school. they run the day program. they're 16 and 18. do they count as Adults?

 

Michael A. Weiner

 

gee, why did he change his name to Savage?

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So American children are learning that you should live in a state of common ownership of production with mercantilistic tendencies while striving to abolish government and kill religion shutting out all foreign influences ina n attempt at creating a disjointed utopian society.

Or are you just labelling everything left of conservatism "communism."

Not those exact words, but yes, those values are being put out constantly by teachers, the media, Hollywood, literatutre, politicians, universities and so on. The thing is that, everybody knows communism is a titanic failure; so it has to be sold to people in small pieces under the disguise of fairness, tolerance, seperation of church and state, gay rights, economic stability for all, health care reform, diversity/cultural relatavism, increased taxation, and global organizations like the U.N and the E.U.

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So American children are learning that you should live in a state of common ownership of production with mercantilistic tendencies while striving to abolish government and kill religion shutting out all foreign influences ina n attempt at creating a disjointed utopian society.

Or are you just labelling everything left of conservatism "communism."

Not those exact words, but yes, those values are being put out constantly by teachers, the media, Hollywood, literatutre, politicians, universities and so on. The thing is that, everybody knows communism is a titanic failure; so it has to be sold to people in small pieces under the disguise of fairness, tolerance, seperation of church and state, gay rights, economic stability for all, health care reform, diversity/cultural relatavism, increased taxation, and global organizations like the U.N and the E.U.

what, a great conspiracy theory. that's fantastic.

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I hear about this "controversy" all the time on my local radio and I have one thing to say: Can you imagine the amount of support this student would receive if he were GAY and this abuse was happening to the Gay Club?

First, the Gay Club isn't trying to convince students "turn in" their teachers.

 

Second, I can tell you as a kid who was accosted of being gay, queer, etc (though I never actually outed myself) and was beaten and threatened and jumped almost daily, that there would nothing.

 

I have been ***EXACTLY*** where you're hypothisizing, and I can assure you with every school horror story I can tell that you are absolutely wrong. So with all due respect, you can take this garbage:

 

Oh my god, there'd be a media firestorm complete with Gloria Allred, the ACLU, forced diversity assemblies, the SWAT team, you name it.

 

And proceed to shove it firmly up the part of your body where the sun does not shine. Thank you.

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2. Illegal Immigration is a huge threat to America. Arguing against a stance against imminration by simply calling it "racism" is cheap and unintelligent. You're dismissing something very real and very dangerous with knee-jerk "sensitivty." Think critically about things rather than assume there's a "phobia" behind every belief.

Did you not read what he said and see the racism intended?

 

"Liberals welcome every Muhammad, Jamul and Jose who wishes to leave his Third World state and come to America — mostly illegally — to rip off our health-care system, balkanize our language and destroy our political system."

 

He's only talking about Muhammad, Jamul, and Jose.

 

Phil from England is not included.

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I'll agree on the collegiate level: I'm the VP of College Republicans on my campus and what do I get in my political science classes? I get democrat crap thrown at me by students and professors to the point where I had to ask the professors to stay the hell out of it. I couldn't argue a damn point without bullshit rhetoric getting thrown at me.

 

The thing is, this on the high school level. If you can have someone parade around proclaiming the 'gay lifestyle' then why can't someone promote the 'conservative lifestyle'?

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I hear about this "controversy" all the time on my local radio and I have one thing to say: Can you imagine the amount of support this student would receive if he were GAY and this abuse was happening to the Gay Club?

First, the Gay Club isn't trying to convince students "turn in" their teachers.

 

Second, I can tell you as a kid who was accosted of being gay, queer, etc (though I never actually outed myself) and was beaten and threatened and jumped almost daily, that there would nothing.

 

I have been ***EXACTLY*** where you're hypothisizing, and I can assure you with every school horror story I can tell that you are absolutely wrong. So with all due respect, you can take this garbage:

 

Oh my god, there'd be a media firestorm complete with Gloria Allred, the ACLU, forced diversity assemblies, the SWAT team, you name it.

 

And proceed to shove it firmly up the part of your body where the sun does not shine. Thank you.

Bummer about having a rough high school carrer, but you should have been more vocal then. From experience (as I always gravitated towards the campus misfits) my old high school tripped over themselves they were so willing to council gays and other kids who I guess were being oppressed.

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Bummer about having a rough high school carrer, but you should have been more vocal then. From experience (as I always gravitated towards the campus misfits) my old high school tripped over themselves they were so willing to council gays and other kids who I guess were being oppressed.

Maybe that might work where you are, but not here. I just wound up spending all my free time between classes hanging around with the monitors, and as kids came up and harassed/hit me, the monitor would give them garbage duty or something. I can tell in hindsight they didn't LIKE me hanging around them all the time, but they felt pity on me and chose to go with it.

 

And staff? Heh. A counselor who takes a kid aside or into the office and decides all's well when the kid(s) promise not to bother me. Their word was worth less than a ten cent cup of coffee.

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I'll agree on the collegiate level: I'm the VP of College Republicans on my campus and what do I get in my political science classes? I get democrat crap thrown at me by students and professors to the point where I had to ask the professors to stay the hell out of it. I couldn't argue a damn point without bullshit rhetoric getting thrown at me.

 

The thing is, this on the high school level. If you can have someone parade around proclaiming the 'gay lifestyle' then why can't someone promote the 'conservative lifestyle'?

there's a difference between promoting and being overbearing and sometimes it's very easy to cross.

 

I've had come really conservative people cause alot of problems for people i know. a group of conservative teens wanted our prom cancelled for example. Liberals can be just as bad of course, but i think it's more noticeably when done by Conservatives.

 

and maybe yo're Prof. and the Libs see what YOU say as "bullshit rhetoric"? It isn't neccasarily but they might feel that way.

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2.  Illegal Immigration is a huge threat to America.  Arguing against a stance against imminration by simply calling it "racism" is cheap and unintelligent.  You're dismissing something very real and very dangerous with knee-jerk "sensitivty."  Think critically about things rather than assume there's a "phobia" behind every belief.

Did you not read what he said and see the racism intended?

 

"Liberals welcome every Muhammad, Jamul and Jose who wishes to leave his Third World state and come to America — mostly illegally — to rip off our health-care system, balkanize our language and destroy our political system."

 

He's only talking about Muhammad, Jamul, and Jose.

 

Phil from England is not included.

Because Phil from England speaks English and would be more willing/able to assimiliate into American culture. Where as Jose, Mohhamed and Jamal probably would have a much harder time assimilating. Those that can't assimilate, have rougher lives in competitive America. Those that struggle in America, lead poor lives. Poor people drain social services like Welfare and Medicaid. Poor people (and especially those from a foreign culture) get desperate and take chances that could lead to crime. America does not need more poor people. Our nation can not sustain more and more poorly educated people; there's not enough wealth to go around. It's not as if doctors and engineers, fluent in English are coming here illegally.

 

Use the above as a short-hand argument against uncontrolled immigration as its straight and to the point. Most politicians and pundits (Hannity!) will not say what I just said because they're phoney wimps that are scared of the liberal media calling them racist or whatever latest buzz word is being used by the language facists to keep people quiet. I have given a LOT of critical thought to this issue. It's not about race, it's about economics, its about culture and its about nations. Crying racism is not critical thought.

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Because Phil from England speaks English and would be more willing/able to assimiliate into American culture.

But, in my made-up story, Phil from England is an illegal alien! Illegal aliens are illegal aliens.

 

Poor people drain social services like Welfare and Medicaid.  Poor people (and especially those from a foreign culture) get desperate and take chances that could lead to crime.  America does not need more poor people.

 

Funny. I've read of a lot of kids who were born and raised in our culture, STILL are poor and still take a lot of chances that lead to crime. Go into your closest inner-city urban area and look around. You'll find some of these youth in person sooner or later.

 

Our nation can not sustain more and more poorly educated people; there's not enough wealth to go around.  It's not as if doctors and engineers, fluent in English are coming here illegally. 

 

So appearantly, the problem isn't education. It's about prefering wealthy immigrants?

 

Crying racism is not critical thought.

But this kid's propaganda had racist undertones. Maybe if you want to sit and expand on it, you can create something more of it. But taken at face value, it sounds like he's only upset about the kids with the funny names and the accents.

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