Batista almost ruins Benoit's career

[Vyce 0]

Amazing.

 

There's been something like a half-dozen documented instances of Batista fucking up his powerbomb spot and yet every one here has been systematically discounted as the fault of the other worker.

 

What, is Batista now getting the Orton-apologist treatment from some of you?

[DMann2003 0]

OK, I was AT this house show. First of all, Benoit was never in any danger of hurting anything other than his shoulder on this landing. I know that can be serious, but let's not pretend his spinal cord was about to unfray. Second of all, I love Benoit to death, but he botched the move, not Batista. Benoit attempted to spin around and turn the powerbomb attempt into a crossface, which didn't work. It ended up as more of a crucifix armbar. Batista even lifted up Benoit once again by that one arm, so Benoit could give it another shot, but both men wisely decided to cut their losses and do a short arm clothesline reversal instead.

 

Damned rumor mongers.

Yes I was there too and Suicide King's description is accurate, Benoit was trying to counter the powerbomb into the crossface but they botched it.

 

Personally, I was hoping Dayton would get one of those test run matches and put Benoit vs Michaels out there, they've done it before here (Hogan vs Flair in 91).

[DMann2003 0]

Amazing.

 

There's been something like a half-dozen documented instances of Batista fucking up his powerbomb spot and yet every one here has been systematically discounted as the fault of the other worker.

 

What, is Batista now getting the Orton-apologist treatment from some of you?

Oh, I'm sorry were you at the Hara Arena last night? Cause if you were you would've seen that Benoit messed up going for the Crossface while in the powerbomb position.

 

But I guess you're right because Batista's big and not Canadian.

 

If anyone cares Jericho beat Kane pretty cleanly (Kane was going to tombstone Jericho on a chair but Trish came out and then Kane went for her and Jericho low blowed him and rolled him up).

 

Hmmmm, Benoit gets a clean tap on Batista and Jericho pins Kane, I guess HHH wasn't in town last night.

[Guest Ghettoman]

People often look to place the blame on one person in botched spots when most of the time there the result of an error on both parts, so people defending the issue isn't exactly suprising or wrong.

[Guest ManKinnd]

What the hell IS this thread? Someone actually say it'd be better for BATISTA to get a world title shot over Benoit, we find out the report is misworded rendering that meaningless, and "Batista almost killed RVD" is countered with "But RVD can't sell." Are you people serious?

[Guest Ghettoman]

Stop taking 3 posts and making them into an entire thread.

[Guest ManKinnd]

Ok, I shouldn't have made it seem like I was talking about the entire thread, but things that were said in here...

[Ace309 0]

Ehhh. I still hate Batista.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

You bitches got told.

 

TOLD, I say.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Batista has the size and look obviously, but he should spend his days working 3-5hrs a day in the ring with Flair if he already isn't.

 

Take away the Powerbomb and give him the Torture Rack, it would look vicious being used by a man of his size and its a safer move to pull off.

 

Fact remains he's still Capn' Fuck-up though from what I've seen on TV.

[Guest wildpegasus]

OK, I was AT this house show.  First of all, Benoit was never in any danger of hurting anything other than his shoulder on this landing.  I know that can be serious, but let's not pretend his spinal cord was about to unfray.  Second of all, I love Benoit to death, but he botched the move, not Batista.  Benoit attempted to spin around and turn the powerbomb attempt into a crossface, which didn't work.  It ended up as more of a crucifix armbar.  Batista even lifted up Benoit once again by that one arm, so Benoit could give it another shot, but both men wisely decided to cut their losses and do a short arm clothesline reversal instead.

 

Damned rumor mongers.

Yes I was there too and Suicide King's description is accurate, Benoit was trying to counter the powerbomb into the crossface but they botched it.

 

Personally, I was hoping Dayton would get one of those test run matches and put Benoit vs Michaels out there, they've done it before here (Hogan vs Flair in 91).

Too many people jump on the "want to prove so and so wrestler's not perfect" bandwagon by saying it's not the opponent's fault just because they think everyone will do the opposite. I'm not saying that's you but this does happen. Unless you're in the ring and in the mind of both wrestlers it's truly hard to tell who botched what. I'd like to have seen it to get my impressions of it firsthand. It could've been miscomunication between the two, someone being slightly out of posistion, mistrust or either wrestler not having their timing down.

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If anyone cares Jericho beat Kane pretty cleanly (Kane was going to tombstone Jericho on a chair but Trish came out and then Kane went for her and Jericho low blowed him and rolled him up).

riiiight....interferance and a lowblow, thats a real clean win for a guy playing the face.

[Guest Suicide King]

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Undoubtedly to one degree or another it was both men's fault. I just hate when everyone jumps one guy as the end all be all of what's wrong with wrestling, whether it be Orton, Batista, or Mark Henry even although I would happily see him shoved off a wharf. Now belee dat.

Edited February 1, 2004 by Suicide King

[Slingshot Suplex 0]

That's about as clean of a win as you get in 2004

 

Anyway, I like Frigid Soul's idea. Every big man does powerbomb variations. Give the guy the torture rack. He'd look like a monster if he could execute it right.

[Guest Suicide King]

Amazing.

 

There's been something like a half-dozen documented instances of Batista fucking up his powerbomb spot and yet every one here has been systematically discounted as the fault of the other worker.

 

What, is Batista now getting the Orton-apologist treatment from some of you?

 

 

There've been even more documented sightings of the Loch Ness Monster, who we all know is a cancer in the wrestling business.

[Kaertos 0]

To throw my two cents worth in... I was also at this show and while I have to admit it was a scary moment, it looked like it was mostly a miscommunication. To me anyways, it looked like Batista thought Chris was going one way and Chris went the other. It was a really good match, and Bastista looked damn good in it. And to give credit where it is do, Batista did everything he could to make the spot work, then jumped into the imrovised ending with gusto.

 

Honestly, as complicated as this stuff is, I am suprised it doesn't happen more often.

 

What is more news-worthy are the following three facts:

1- Matt Hardy got huge face pops last night and is way over in Dayton.

2- Y2J was over as a face with everybody in the building except the drunk guy to my right and the guy in front of us who was yelling "F*ck Jericho" the whole match.

3- RVD asked Coach "What have you been smoking?" then told him "I'm checking my back when I get to the back and nothing better be missing." He then proceeded to drop the F-Bomb to a huge pop.

 

And to be honest, none of those are really newsworthy.

[Guest Ghettoman]

"3- RVD asked Coach "What have you been smoking?" then told him "I'm checking my bag when I get to the back and nothing better be missing." He then proceeded to drop the F-Bomb to a huge pop."

 

Run with this WWE, it excuses his sloppy work and justifies his promos.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Batista does suck though. I mean just watch any match hes in, he has no idea what hes doing. His timing in the ring is fucking awful.

Flashback to Armageddon last year:

Michaels goes for the moonsault, (the one with a standing opponent), but Batista apparently NEVER watched a single Shawn Michaels match from 1994-98, because he lays on the canvas....for TWENTY seconds, and you can see HBK telling him the spot because the camera's right on him.

 

Benoit's mistake is understandable. He's never fought Batista, and the first time working with each other is never easy. Plus the fact Batista's a roid monkey doesn't help.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Undoubtedly to one degree or another it was both men's fault. I just hate when everyone jumps one guy as the end all be all of what's wrong with wrestling, whether it be Orton, Batista, or Mark Henry even although I would happily see him shoved off a wharf. Now belee dat.

I don't have a problem with some of the undeserving wrestlers because it's not really in me to hate but to anyone who doesn't like them the finger must be pointed a good deal to whoever's pushing the strings as in these wrestler's cases it's not really their fault where they're at on the card. Granted, there are some wrestlers who deserve their criticism.

[JustJoe2k5 0]

How long before this topic is about 50 "Fuck Batista!" posts?

Surprisingly, it hasn't reached 50 yet, maybe we'll get there by tomorrow!

[snuffbox 0]

Fuck Batista....bah gawd

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Run with this WWE, it excuses his sloppy work and justifies his promos.

So wwe should push batista, who is sloppy and doesnt cut promos, but is a hoss..

 

but not RVD, whos had many good matches, cuts a decent enough promo, and is over, because hes a...uh...hes...a stoner and not a hoss?

[Guest Coffey]

Benoit's mistake is understandable.

See, that's fucking bullshit. It's not understandable. Just because he's Benoit doesn't mean that he should be allowed to fuck up with just a slap on the wrist while everyone else gets fucking crucified.

 

Yes, I understand that people may want to give him some leeway because of his history in the business. However, when Batista has been in the business for fifteen years, maybe he'll get some fucking leeway too!

 

Understandable as in you can understand why it happened? I can understand why it happened too. I can understand why all botched spots happen. Someone fucked up.

 

but not RVD, whos had many good matches, cuts a decent enough promo, and is over, because hes a...uh...hes...a stoner and not a hoss?

 

So you would market an illegal drug abuser, as a babyface (which would mean it's "ok") to children?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Benoit's mistake is understandable.

See, that's fucking bullshit. It's not understandable. Just because he's Benoit doesn't mean that he should be allowed to fuck up with just a slap on the wrist while everyone else gets fucking crucified.

 

Yes, I understand that people may want to give him some leeway because of his history in the business. However, when Batista has been in the business for fifteen years, maybe he'll get some fucking leeway too!

 

Understandable as in you can understand why it happened? I can understand why it happened too. I can understand why all botched spots happen. Someone fucked up.

 

but not RVD, whos had many good matches, cuts a decent enough promo, and is over, because hes a...uh...hes...a stoner and not a hoss?

 

So you would market an illegal drug abuser, as a babyface (which would mean it's "ok") to children?

Thanks for ignoring the WHOLE Statement.

 

I obviously said Benoit/Batista have never worked together that is known unless Benoit fought him in OVW, but Batista was already on the SD Roster (as a heel) at the time. Since they never worked together, they have to get use to the way each other works, so it's understandable to see something botched. This is NOT the case when someone botches a FUCKING Diamond Cutter, the easiest move to pull off in the world, rather than slide down the back of a roided hoss and hope he can move quick and agile enough to not drop the guy on his head...

 

And Batista is known to have trouble keeping up with people he's not worked with. (Cough: Kane, RVD, Michaels, etc. etc.)

[Guest Coffey]

No, I didn't ignore the whole arguement. You said it was understandable for Benoit to make a mistake because it was his first time working with Batista. That didn't save people for bashing Randy Orton for messing up when it was his first time working with anyone. Or when Bastista messed up when working with anyone for the first time.

 

It's a fucking double-standard. You're just trying to save face now that you got called out.

[snuffbox 0]

So you would market an illegal drug abuser, as a babyface (which would mean it's "ok") to children?

come on dude...do you really think the kids know he smokes pot? he doesnt have to be marketed as a pothead.

 

and...heres a quick stat, just for the hell of it...

 

America 1992 to 1999

 

3.2 million tobacco deaths

1.4 million alcohol deaths

6,237 tylenol deaths

0 marijuana deaths

[Guest Coffey]

Tobacco = legal

Alcohol = legal

Tylenol = legal

Marijuana = NOT legal. At least in the United States.

 

What do those numbers have to do with being a law-abiding citizen?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

No, I didn't ignore the whole arguement. You said it was understandable for Benoit to make a mistake because it was his first time working with Batista. That didn't save people for bashing Randy Orton for messing up when it was his first time working with anyone. Or when Bastista messed up when working with anyone for the first time.

 

It's a fucking double-standard. You're just trying to save face now that you got called out.

Called out? How? For "defending" something that no one saw, that could be grossly exaggerated?

 

I could say Benoit has trouble working with hosses, but since he carried (I said carried, yes) people like Matt Morgan, Nathan Jones, and A-Train (who isn't bad btw) to decent matches, then I can say 1 slip up isn't going to damage him.

 

Batista hasn't impressed anyone except for his 2 powerbombs...and....his....uh...... 2 powerbombs. He had the Orton treatment as well when he debuted, as you could hear pins drop for his matches, resulting in some of the deadest crowds ever. He still hasn't impressed anyone (except Dave O'Neill somehow) and milks whatevers left of Ric Flairs credibility.

 

Randy Orton time. The guy ALSO has not impressed people and has defenders just through pity. He ends up wrestling sloppy, or can't keep up with his opponents, leading to a fucked up spot.

 

 

So trying to say Benoit is in the same class as either of the two is like saying Chocolate is ass good as horse shit.

[2GOLD 0]

but not RVD, whos had many good matches, cuts a decent enough promo, and is over, because hes a...uh...hes...a stoner and not a hoss?

 

So you would market an illegal drug abuser, as a babyface (which would mean it's "ok") to children?

 

Considering this company made an asshole who gave the finger to an authority figure and beats up women for no reason and a cocky guy who wanted to shove things up people's asses into faces, then yeah why not.

 

This company BUILDS faces on people who break the law so why the hell not? Can't take the moral high ground when they build faces on assault and attempted murder. Last time I checked, those were more serious offenses than he MIGHT be a stoner...also, I don't see where it SAYS what he is using. So they wouldn't REALLY be selling him as an illegal drug user.

 

Point is, can't start acting like the company has any morals now.

 

 

Anyway, the only thing that seems to be hurting the artist formerly known as Levithan is that sit-out powerbomb. It just doesn't look right for him, he just doesn't seem original. They need to design a power move for him or he'll never be big. He needs a real signature move.

 

I like him, he has a great look and he cuts a better promo than anyone in Evolution since Flair has become a Dudley Moore clone and Triple H can't seem to do anything but phone in his promos now.

[Guest Ghettoman]

Randy didn't botch the Diamond Cutter, he simply didn't hit it because he couldn't grab Jericho.

 

But of course that supercedes the fact that he's hit in numerous times without fault, and we get at least "omfg orton suks so bad he cant hit his own finisher" post.

 

People make mistakes, oh well. It's just a shame that people feel the need to not only classify certain ones as bigger or smaller, but based on name. Psha.