Austin In Favor Of New WWE In-Ring Style

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Austin In Favor Of New WWE In-Ring Style

 

The Rattlesnake supports it...

 

Steve Austin has been one of the veterans to speak out in favor of WWE's new in-ring style that promotes a slower pace and fewer high risk moves. As usual, Austin's support of the style has resulted in more frustration among mid-card wrestlers. Wrestlers lower in the ranks feel that the top guys will support the style since they won't need crowd pleasing moves to stay over, while everyone else has to do high risk moves to get attention and get noticed.

[Tawren 0]

Work those chinlocks!

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Austin In Favor Of New WWE In-Ring Style

 

The Rattlesnake supports it...

 

Steve Austin has been one of the veterans to speak out in favor of WWE's new in-ring style that promotes a slower pace and fewer high risk moves. As usual, Austin's support of the style has resulted in more frustration among mid-card wrestlers. Wrestlers lower in the ranks feel that the top guys will support the style since they won't need crowd pleasing moves to stay over, while everyone else has to do high risk moves to get attention and get noticed.

Of course he'd like it.

 

It's partially his fault, because he couldn't keep up with the other, uninjured wrestlers on a night to night basis. Half-ass every match until the PPV, then put on a "great" match, and repeat.

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The real answer is somewhere in between.

 

The slower style can lead to good matches if you have people who actually know how to work that style of match out there. But you need some of the high risk stuff in there in order to A) keep every match from looking alike and B) allow the guys who aren't as well-versed in the slower style some chance of getting over.

 

But why would Austin's opinion matter to the midcard at this point when his role is basically forever limited to driving a go-kart and "drinking" beer? Now, if it was Triple H or saying it, I could see the complaint as he still wrestles enough to worry about "his" spot.

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Austin In Favor Of New WWE In-Ring Style

 

The Rattlesnake supports it...

 

Steve Austin has been one of the veterans to speak out in favor of WWE's new in-ring style that promotes a slower pace and fewer high risk moves. As usual, Austin's support of the style has resulted in more frustration among mid-card wrestlers. Wrestlers lower in the ranks feel that the top guys will support the style since they won't need crowd pleasing moves to stay over, while everyone else has to do high risk moves to get attention and get noticed.

Of course he'd like it.

 

It's partially his fault, because he couldn't keep up with the other, uninjured wrestlers on a night to night basis. Half-ass every match until the PPV, then put on a "great" match, and repeat.

How about giving examples, instead of some vague perception of what you believe to be true?

 

Austin never "dogged it" in the ring, unless it was someone he felt uncomfortable working with (Owen, Hall), which is perfectly understandable.

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It's partially his fault, because he couldn't keep up with the other, uninjured wrestlers on a night to night basis. Half-ass every match until the PPV, then put on a "great" match, and repeat.

 

Huh? In 2001, which was his best year, he had FANTASTIC TV matches with Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, and Booker T. He was in all sorts of great tag main events in the first 3 months of the year, and was almost always in the TV MoTN. What are you talking about?

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But why would Austin's opinion matter to the midcard at this point when his role is basically forever limited to driving a go-kart and "drinking" beer? Now, if it was Triple H or saying it, I could see the complaint as he still wrestles enough to worry about "his" spot.

 

Because Austin is still on top and has alot of the show built around him and he never lets anyone get the best of him, even if he is no longer wrestling, because he still wants to protect his spot.

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Austin has recently retired from in ring action. Bottom line is, he's not 60 and he never really left the scene and came back looking older and decrepid or warranting a complete loss of his "magical ass kicking powers". You don't bitch about Flair getting plenty of offense in and still beating people (Jericho, Hurricane). He can just become a total bitch because he isn't in every match.

 

Him not letting anyone get a one up on him is totally false. Batista was the most recent to hang with him one on one and get the better of him, and Austin helped Kane move right along into his monster heel status. Kane no sold a wicked chairshot and stunner and planted Steve on his ass.

 

 

Face it. Your Hogans, you Flairs, you Rocks, your foleys, and you Austins will always be able to get the better of mid carders. They are in the fans eyes the same people they were 10 years ago. It doesn't just fade like that.

 

Austin's character, like it or not (and for the record I do not) is the babyface with authority and the one to make the wrongs right. He can't go out there and get owned all the time like a Vince or Bischoff because then what would he be? Nothing.

 

Lay off the biased bullshit and just dislike the character itself rather than taking shots at the man.

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The WWE style got slower? How would you be able to tell?

 

Anyway, I'm so glad that they're slowing down the matches to tell more of a story in the, on-average, 4 minute matches that they have. That's sure to bring viewers back.

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Because Austin is still on top and has alot of the show built around him and he never lets anyone get the best of him, even if he is no longer wrestling, because he still wants to protect his spot.

Except for that time Kane kicked his ass...and the time Batista kicked his ass and Goldberg had to save him. And that time HHH totally owned him on the mic. But yeah, Austin never lets anyone get the best of him. In fact, Austin should be getting his ass kicked by Christian and Stevie Richards, rright? Because those guys are so valuable to the company, and a stunner from Austin just ruins their entire career, right?

 

 

 

If more wrestlers put on matches like Austin did in 96-97 and 2001, WWE would be a much better place.

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Perhaps the WWE style will slowly become slower and slower, so slow that it eventually starts to go in reverse.

 

That would be cool.

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What's the source of this tidbit?

 

If slowed down pace means more opportunites for Lesnar-Holly spooning sessions, then I'm against it. The only way to use a slower pace and not kill the WWE crowd is to make every damn move count, meaning ring psychology and revitalizing submissions as a legit match ender. The latter, of course, is not plausible since a wrestler tapping makes them a pussy with the current mindset of the WWE audience.

 

To go off on a tangent, why does the mentality of the WWE Style still exist? It's sometimes frustrating to know that every match without a screwjob finish will almost inevitably end with a finisher.

 

End smarkish rant.

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Because Austin is still on top and has alot of the show built around him and he never lets anyone get the best of him, even if he is no longer wrestling, because he still wants to protect his spot.

Except for that time Kane kicked his ass...and the time Batista kicked his ass and Goldberg had to save him. And that time HHH totally owned him on the mic. But yeah, Austin never lets anyone get the best of him. In fact, Austin should be getting his ass kicked by Christian and Stevie Richards, rright? Because those guys are so valuable to the company, and a stunner from Austin just ruins their entire career, right?

 

 

 

If more wrestlers put on matches like Austin did in 96-97 and 2001, WWE would be a much better place.

Austin shouldn't be kicking anyone's ass, and VERY few should ever kick HIS ass. He is in a role like one of the McMahons, Bishoff, and Heyman, so he should go forward with the role in the same way. He shouldn't get in the way of actual talent himself, regardless of who it is. He should just set up matches, say whatever he has to say, and let that be the end of it. When he finally DOES take someone out, or someone takes him out, it should be made into a huge deal.

 

Sorta how it is with the other management type posistions. If he can't mold his character into something like that, then he might as well not be on TV if he isn't going to ever be able to wrestle again.

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But why would Austin's opinion matter to the midcard at this point when his role is basically forever limited to driving a go-kart and "drinking" beer? Now, if it was Triple H or saying it, I could see the complaint as he still wrestles enough to worry about "his" spot.

 

Because Austin is still on top and has alot of the show built around him and he never lets anyone get the best of him, even if he is no longer wrestling, because he still wants to protect his spot.

Even if I agreed with you, and I don't, it doesn't matter what style Austin prefers because he doesn't wrestle. Every match could feature guys doing 450 splashes from the rafters, and Austin's spot is secure as long as he drinks beer and stunners people every other week or so.

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Because Austin is still on top and has alot of the show built around him and he never lets anyone get the best of him, even if he is no longer wrestling, because he still wants to protect his spot.

Except for that time Kane kicked his ass...and the time Batista kicked his ass and Goldberg had to save him. And that time HHH totally owned him on the mic. But yeah, Austin never lets anyone get the best of him. In fact, Austin should be getting his ass kicked by Christian and Stevie Richards, rright? Because those guys are so valuable to the company, and a stunner from Austin just ruins their entire career, right?

 

 

 

If more wrestlers put on matches like Austin did in 96-97 and 2001, WWE would be a much better place.

Or the countless times Austin made a fool of Jericho over and over again. Or the time he killed Steiner's push but, beating the shit out of him. Which I was kinda mad at cause Steiner could have been made into a badass heel had he beat up Austin. Or all the times he gets in the way of the wrestlers.

 

Like someone else said he should be kicking anyones ass he should be like the Heyman's, etc in setting up the angles.

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You CANNOT fault Austin for killing Steiner's run. Steiner killed his own career by coming back in a high profile when he just can't bring it anymore. I'd say that's the MAIN reason Sting won't sign. He freshly turned heel and Austin asked him to punch him and HE DID. He didn't run off. austin got the best of him, but babyfaces for the most part do. there is absolutely no reason why anyone who is written to get knocked on their ass can't come right back with a new approach and get back on top of that other person. the only reason it didn't happen is because the writer's didn't give a shit about the guy and they still don't. I don't like Steiner being everyone's bitch, but you can blame clean losses (RVD), lack of TV time and an apparent refusal to try and disguise his weaknesses in the ring. Blaming Austin is grasping for straws.

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In fact, Austin should be getting his ass kicked by Christian and Stevie Richards, rright? Because those guys are so valuable to the company, and a stunner from Austin just ruins their entire career, right?

 

Yeah, surely WWE can sacrifice an upper midcard heel to make their fucking hasbeen commissioner look great. That makes sense.

 

And Stevie's only some wrestler with a bad neck in his early 30's who as of now saw better days in ECW. A guy like that surely would never amount to anything in WWE. It's not like he could possibly be a big star sometime soon and we wouldn't expect it. Nope.

 

For now, let's keep centering the company around hasbeens, leave the midcarders stagnating, and just push the green-as-grass OVW kids.

 

Austin kinda put over Kane and Batista. Whoopdy-fuck. Now, I hate to make a long-term assumption that simply can't be proved or accurately predicted too far ahead due to the nature the business, but I can't see Kane becoming much of a big star and Batista doesn't really strike me as the OMG FUTURE STAR!~ that even some people here see.

 

Although, the Kane thing is kind of a moot point since the Shane storyline killed him as a ratings draw. Eh, maybe the Taker storyline will make him a top guy at last.

 

  austin got the best of him, but babyfaces for the most part do.

 

That's part of why WWE sucks so bad right now. Besides HHH, heels generally have their balls cut off constantly by the faces. Then the heel scores some minor victory before a PPV--oh no, maybe the heel will win?! Nope, face wins the blowoff. Heaven forbid a heel look to be on even ground with the face, even if he has to cheat to do it. Can't have that.

 

Blaming Austin is grasping for straws.

 

The reason a lot of people on the board are sick of Austin is because he bitched about crummy the writing in WWE was, then he came crawling back like a little bitch to Vince, and he himself became part of the problem yet again. He could have stood on his principles and said "shape up with the writing or I'm not coming back," but he had to be such a whore for the spotlight that he simply came back when Vince was ready to play nice, give him a squash vs. Bischoff, a Mania match, and a long-term non-wrestling role on Raw.

 

At least that's how I feel, maybe I'm alone on that. Austin's one of the few that is in a position to help improve things, but he's only interested in making sure that he's getting his ass kissed. Remember, Austin just loved this wonderful idea to bring him back again after Survivor Series. Not that wrestling *ever* lived up to retirement stipulations, but WWE has matches and feuds that are supposed to "shake the foundation of Raw," but all they do is make a minor change for a week or two, then it's back to the status quo. Nothing ever happens to change things. It's the same old crap over and over again.

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Blaming Austin is grasping for straws.

No it's not. I've said it once and I'll say it again you know that Austin has alot of control over his angles. And to make it seem like that the writers just told Austin to beat up Steiner and Austin couldn't do anything about it is foolish. And even if the writers did tell Austin to do it Austin has enough pull to change it right on the spot.

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What's the source of this tidbit?

Seconded...

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I'm all for reducing injuries and trying to tell a story In The Ring, but there's got to be a better way. Having 2 lengthy restholds In a 5 minute Rico vs Rene Dupree match Is ridiculous. Yeah, this "New WWE Style" will condition the fans alright. It'll condition them to fall asleep faster than before, IMO.

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I'm sure it was Austin's beatdown of Steiner in September that was the reason Scott never made it as a big-time face or heel down the line in 2003.

 

Yep.

 

Hmm, I guess it can't be the fact that he's been barely mobile since he re-debuted - or that he received a chorus of boos in two consecutive World title matchups on PPV...while working as a face. Or that one of those matches was widely considered to be the worst match of 2003 in the promotion...or that he STILL hasn't broken ** in his fifteen month tenure at Titan.

 

That DEFINITELY can't be it, no sir.

 

 

 

Austin kinda put over Kane and Batista. Whoopdy-fuck. Now, I hate to make a long-term assumption that simply can't be proved or accurately predicted too far ahead due to the nature the business, but I can't see Kane becoming much of a big star and Batista doesn't really strike me as the OMG FUTURE STAR!~ that even some people here see.

 

Although, the Kane thing is kind of a moot point since the Shane storyline killed him as a ratings draw. Eh, maybe the Taker storyline will make him a top guy at last.

 

That's comparable to blaming the Rock for how the Hurricane has been so horribly mismanaged since their program last March. How can ANYONE but the writers be deemed "responsible" for this?

 

For now, let's keep centering the company around hasbeens, leave the midcarders stagnating, and just push the green-as-grass OVW kids.

 

Please give examples of midcarders (on the RAW side) that are not being pushed.

 

Geez, give Benoit and Eddie title shots at the same time, and you get in return complaints about how a career midcarder in Steven Richards or a broken down has-been like Steiner should've been pushed.

 

I'd venture to guess that some people have expectations that only their fantasy booking can satisfy.

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What's the source of this tidbit?

Seconded...

The Torch. 411 has the story on their page, too (crediting the Torch).

 

Please give examples of midcarders (on the RAW side) that are not being pushed.

Booker, RVD, Hardy. What midcarders *are* getting pushed, besides Jericho?

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Okay, what is considered the slower WWE style?

 

A 10 minute bearhug or headlock? No thank you. But, I liked the match between Angle and Holly last night. They kept the spots limited and worked on telling a story in the ring. That I like.

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What's the source of this tidbit?

Seconded...

The Torch. 411 has the story on their page, too (crediting the Torch).

 

Please give examples of midcarders (on the RAW side) that are not being pushed.

Booker, RVD, Hardy. What midcarders *are* getting pushed, besides Jericho?

According to the RAW preview, they're running a "losing streak" angle with Matt Hardy.

 

Booker has already admitted he's retiring in the VERY near future, so why should he be pushed over other midcarders and these new workers from OVW? And really, judging from what people have seen, isn't Booker deserved of the title "hasbeen"?

 

For now, let's keep centering the company around hasbeens, leave the midcarders stagnating, and just push the green-as-grass OVW kids.

 

RVD IS getting a Wrestlemania program with someone - at this moment, it'll be Shawn Michaels.

 

Christian is directly connected to the Trish/Jericho angle.

 

Mark Henry was getting a nice-sized push that even smarks liked, before he was recently sidelined with a shoulder injury.

 

Everyone else that's worth their salt are working in the tag-team division.

 

Who's left....Maven?

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Booker has already admitted he's retiring in the VERY near future, so why should he be pushed over other midcarders and these new workers from OVW? And really, judging from what people have seen, isn't Booker deserved of the title "hasbeen"?

Definitely. For me, Booker has the dreaded "X-Pac, aw shit, I gotta change the channel" heat..

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According to the RAW preview, they're running a "losing streak" angle with Matt Hardy.

I wouldn't call it a "push" until he starts picking up wins. An angle, yes, but not a push (yet, anyway).

 

Booker has already admitted he's retiring in the VERY near future, so why should he be pushed over other midcarders and these new workers from OVW? And really, judging from what people have seen, isn't Booker deserved of the title "hasbeen"?

What's his timeframe? 1 year? 2? This summer? Why not try to make as much money off him as possible before he retires? Plus, you can use his retiring to put someone else over. You don't have to make him the top guy on Raw, but he should at least be a strong mid-to-upper card guy, rather than directionless midcarder.

 

Realistically, I can't see Taker or HBK hanging around much longer than a couple years. Does that mean they shouldn't get any meaningful pushes? Hell, 1 wrong bump and HBK's back could go out, but that hasn't stopped them from making him the #1 face on Raw.

 

RVD IS getting a Wrestlemania program with someone - at this moment, it'll be Shawn Michaels.

Where'd you hear that? I thought the plan was Benoit/HHH/HBK match for WM.

 

Everyone else that's worth their salt are working in the tag-team division.

But they're still directionless. Le Res, Helms/Rosey, Venis/Storm, Cade/Jindrak are all doing nothing much. Only the Dudz and Flair/Batista are really doing much in the tag scene.

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RVD IS getting a Wrestlemania program with someone - at this moment, it'll be Shawn Michaels.

Actually HBK will weasel his way into Mania's main event, overshadowing Benoit in the process. Meanwhile RVD will be left out of the show completely, the most over guy on RAW besides Goldberg hasn't had a feud or character development since the end of 2002.

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The reason a lot of people on the board are sick of Austin is because he bitched about crummy the writing in WWE was, then he came crawling back like a little bitch to Vince, and he himself became part of the problem yet again. He could have stood on his principles and said "shape up with the writing or I'm not coming back," but he had to be such a whore for the spotlight that he simply came back when Vince was ready to play nice, give him a squash vs. Bischoff, a Mania match, and a long-term non-wrestling role on Raw.

 

The two main reasons Austin came back to wrestling early last year were because he just had a divorce, and probably needed to make more cash because a divorce drains you. The other reason is because he wanted to leave his career on a high note, and it would've been perfect had Austin left immediately following the Raw speech after WM XIX. I'll even go further and say that I have not liked Austin's current character since the summer time, and I believe he should retire after 'Mania XX (final match or not, doubt he can work another match). My point is, a lot of people are shitting on Austin for entertaining the majority of the fans, because let's face it; there's no way people are just going to forget him. He's still one of the main draws in the company. Like Ray said, it's not like the WWE is going to pool their creative resources and push for guys like Richards, Christian, or some other mid-carder to become the next big star. Austin made Kane look like a monster, which helped in his summer run, but of course Kane was subsequently killed by Shane McMahon (who else). As of late, his character has not been too offensive. We saw a pointless Bischoff/Heyman promo at the Rumble, and all Austin did was get them out to let the fans watch the match. Should he have let them both gang up on him, because HEAVEN FORBID they don't look good.

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I'm all for reducing injuries and trying to tell a story In The Ring, but there's got to be a better way. Having 2 lengthy restholds In a 5 minute Rico vs Rene Dupree match Is ridiculous. Yeah, this "New WWE Style" will condition the fans alright. It'll condition them to fall asleep faster than before, IMO.

I counted 4... in a row.

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You also have to be a good wrestler to be able to work a methodical pace in a match, and still make it good.