AndrewTS Posted February 22, 2004 Report Posted February 22, 2004 I think it was last year on a Smackdown. Undertaker was in a triple threat with Angle and Benoit. They got him in the crossface and the ankle lock simultaneously. He did look to be in *some* degree of pain (hardly enough IMO)...but didn't tap. "Some degree of pain?!" No, he was like this: "aahhh...aaaah..." like he was getting a massage from a Swedish girl.
AnonymousBroccoli Posted February 22, 2004 Report Posted February 22, 2004 Nash getting up pretty quickly after the finish at Good Friends, Better Enemies. Serves him right getting up from one kick after HBK got up from a powerbomb through the announce table in seconds. Nash worked really hard in that match, which is astounding considering he was going to WCW pretty much straight after, so that was warranted. It was a Nash match afterall. UYI It fit the big man match story. The smaller guy didn't destroy his opponent, he was just able to beat him. With the table spot, I thought he was down long enough to show the replay a few times. Apparently that's not the case, but it was still 40 seconds before he started to stumble to his feet. Could've been better, could've been worse.
Ced Posted February 22, 2004 Report Posted February 22, 2004 I never liked the "Samoan Skull" No-Sell and I never will.
jester Posted February 22, 2004 Report Posted February 22, 2004 I think it was last year on a Smackdown. Undertaker was in a triple threat with Angle and Benoit. They got him in the crossface and the ankle lock simultaneously. He did look to be in *some* degree of pain (hardly enough IMO)...but didn't tap. "Some degree of pain?!" No, he was like this: "aahhh...aaaah..." like he was getting a massage from a Swedish girl. Oh come now. He looked mildly uncomfortable. Like his underwear had ridden up or something. That's a lot of selling for the Undertaker.
Guest Ray Posted February 22, 2004 Report Posted February 22, 2004 Undertaker. Superkick. Hell in a cell. You didn't mark out like crazy when that happend? Hell no. I groaned. Then I said, "Wow, just when I thought this match couldn't SUCK more..." That was the whole goddamn point of the match, idiot It was a shitty goddamn point, douche bag. That Shawn Michaels had for three straight PPVs pissed the Undertaker off to the point where NOTHING he could do to him was going to avert the complete righteous asskicking he was going to get in that match. Keep in mind, this is Deadman Taker and so I can buy that from him. Cartoony zombie wrestlers suck.
Guest BionicRedneck Posted February 22, 2004 Report Posted February 22, 2004 I don't think Hell in the Cell sucked. It just wasn't great. It was sorta fun to see Shawn take such a sickening beating actually. But, yeah, Taker sells nothing. I know it fits his character but it's still an "Obvious no-sell" which is what this thread is about.
godthedog Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 Tanaka taking a german suplex right on his neck from Awesome at HH99, and getting right back up. i love that no-sell. the man landed right on his fucking neck, then got right back up. iti don't consider it business-exposing when you clearly see how much the move hurts, and that shit looked scary.
Guest JMA Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 That was the story behind the match: each guy going to tremendous lengths of pain, so they wouldn't lose the match...and their career. You seemed to forget that Savage kicked out of Warrior's finisher too (clothesline, gorilla press, gorilla splash)... can you imagine, at that time, how well that finisher was built up? It was equivalent to the F-5 in assurance. Actually, I didn't forget that. But there's a huge difference between kicking out of one finisher (even a very built-up one) and kicking out of five finishers. Remember, Savage's Flying Elbow Drop was built up to a great degree as well.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 but it's still an "Obvious no-sell" which is what this thread is about. It's actually more for no-sells that weren't supposed to happen.
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 That was the story behind the match: each guy going to tremendous lengths of pain, so they wouldn't lose the match...and their career. You seemed to forget that Savage kicked out of Warrior's finisher too (clothesline, gorilla press, gorilla splash)... can you imagine, at that time, how well that finisher was built up? It was equivalent to the F-5 in assurance. Actually, I didn't forget that. But there's a huge difference between kicking out of one finisher (even a very built-up one) and kicking out of five finishers. Remember, Savage's Flying Elbow Drop was built up to a great degree as well. Don't forget Savage was jobbing to the Warrior splash in house shows, so him kicking out of it after 15:00 is probably the only time anyone has done so. Warrior's splash has pinned Andre on TV, but Savage has never pinned Andre with the elbow drop. Warrior pinned Hogan with splash, Savage never pinned Hogan with elbow drop. So Warriors Splash is more devistating I think.
AndrewTS Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 "So Warriors Splash is more devistating I think." Eh, not much to go on there. That has more to do with Hogan's politics, what with Warrior being about the only guy he couldn't weasel out of doing a job for since he pretty much had to do it. Savage hasn't ever really had a major feud with Andre, anyway, has he?
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 "So Warriors Splash is more devistating I think." Eh, not much to go on there. That has more to do with Hogan's politics, what with Warrior being about the only guy he couldn't weasel out of doing a job for since he pretty much had to do it. Savage hasn't ever really had a major feud with Andre, anyway, has he? Mega Powers/Mega Bucks was a decent feud. Savage/Andre fought on SNME, Savage didn't win. Savage pinned Dibiase at SSlam. Hell, the only two people to ever pin Andre were Hogan & Warrior, and Warriors feud with Andre wasn't serious either.
Guest TheAnvil Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 Here's the thing: people shouldn't work RVD's leg in a match. It's a surefire formula for a crappy match. RVD can't do any of his offense in that situation. Which is exactly why it makes complete, logical sense for his opponents to target his legs. It's not their fault that RVD is clueless. Agreed, but why not play up his strong points? Why *try* to have a bad match? If RVD cannot improve as an all-around worker, then he doesn't deserve to be a main eventer. He's over, sure, but the way he is right now, he does not strike me as a World Champion. I guess he never did. This has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Who cares if he'd be a good champion or main eventer? Why would you try to have a bad match with someone? Why? Well...back when Gorilla and Jesse were doing commentary, they'd talk about how smart the heel was for trying to ground the "high flying offense" of RVD. That's why a wrestler would want to work RVD's leg...for PSYCHOLOGY. So, you'd think that RVD would be able to work around that. But, he can't because he's not a good worker. Every opponent RVD has should attempt to cut him down and keep him from hitting his finisher, an aerial move (except Val Venis, who would challenge him to a Splash Match in the old school blue cage...but that's just my dream).
AndrewTS Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 "So Warriors Splash is more devistating I think." Eh, not much to go on there. That has more to do with Hogan's politics, what with Warrior being about the only guy he couldn't weasel out of doing a job for since he pretty much had to do it. Savage hasn't ever really had a major feud with Andre, anyway, has he? Mega Powers/Mega Bucks was a decent feud. Savage/Andre fought on SNME, Savage didn't win. Savage pinned Dibiase at SSlam. Hell, the only two people to ever pin Andre were Hogan & Warrior, and Warriors feud with Andre wasn't serious either. Okay, it isn't so much the move as who happened to use it. However, the fact that Warrior used that move kinda gives it that "aura." So it's an arguable point after all, I suppose. Eh, wait--I remember hearing that despite all the hubbub about Andre being "undefeated for his whole career" going into WM III, he wasn't, and that was just made up to hype up the match. He actually had some losses prior to that, I believe. Cawthon probably would know.
AndrewTS Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 "Every opponent RVD has should attempt to cut him down and keep him from hitting his finisher, an aerial move (except Val Venis, who would challenge him to a Splash Match in the old school blue cage...but that's just my dream). " But you don't see much mat psychology in a typical TV match, unless it is the main event. Plus guys like Bubba Ray don't wrestle like that anyway, period. I'm not debating that RVD's matches are really hurt by his no-selling, I just find that a debatable point.
Guest Astro Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 Andre lost 1-2-3 to Don Leo Johnathan and Ron Garvin i believe, many more could probably be listed Plus he submitted during an Inoki match in 86
Open the Muggy Gate Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 How about Masato Tanaka no-selling about every damn chair shot he ever took in ECW.
evilhomer Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 A couple of Taker classics that always spring to mind. #1 - Hell in a Cell with Brock. Brock rips the cast off Taker's "broken" hand, magically healing it. He was at least selling pain when he was punching with the cast on, but as soon as it came off, *poof* no more pain. #2 - During the beginning of the Invasion, I believe it was the second or third week after DDP was revealed as the stalker. Taker is out for DDP's blood and gets lured into a trap where he gets jumped by 8-10 guys and is then beaten down. Not only does he do a complete no-sell on the beat down, but all 10 guys can't even hold him back and get their asses handed to them, most knocked out with one punch. I could understand the intention of the segment. Taker was absolutely furious and nothing was going to stop him from reaching DDP. But 10 professional wrestlers not being able to stop him or even hurt him?!? Come on. Two or three guys I could understand, it happens, that's wrestling, but when he single handedly kicked the ass of what was the entire WCW roster, it totally killed the angle for me.
notJames Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 Unless I missed it, I'm surprised no one mentioned that stellar tag match between the Bros. of Destruction and Kroni>l. No-selling galore! And witness the blowing up of Adam Bomb two minutes into the match! Ugly, fugly, pug-fugly wrestling. Bowling-shoe ugly, even.
AndrewTS Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 How about Masato Tanaka no-selling about every damn chair shot he ever took in ECW. That was his gimmick, though. He didn't completely no-sell it...he just wouldn't get knocked out by it.
ChrisMWaters Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 How about Masato Tanaka no-selling about every damn chair shot he ever took in ECW. That was his gimmick, though. He didn't completely no-sell it...he just wouldn't get knocked out by it. Was also Balls Mahoney's, if I remember correctly. Who is the ONLY wrestler I've ever TRULY seen up close. (he was doing an indy show at my high school, along with King Kong Bundy)
Cran Da Maniac Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 That was the story behind the match: each guy going to tremendous lengths of pain, so they wouldn't lose the match...and their career. You seemed to forget that Savage kicked out of Warrior's finisher too (clothesline, gorilla press, gorilla splash)... can you imagine, at that time, how well that finisher was built up? It was equivalent to the F-5 in assurance. Actually, I didn't forget that. But there's a huge difference between kicking out of one finisher (even a very built-up one) and kicking out of five finishers. Remember, Savage's Flying Elbow Drop was built up to a great degree as well. Don't forget Savage was jobbing to the Warrior splash in house shows, so him kicking out of it after 15:00 is probably the only time anyone has done so. Warrior's splash has pinned Andre on TV, but Savage has never pinned Andre with the elbow drop. Warrior pinned Hogan with splash, Savage never pinned Hogan with elbow drop. So Warriors Splash is more devistating I think. Yeah, but Warrior's Splash only has the power to destroy, Savage's Elbow can destroy or revive an opponent.
Guest Pigsy Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 Taz no selling Bam Bam Bigelow's powerbomb at the start of their Heatwave '98 match. Also, I just got the Flair DVD and watching Sting no sell Flair's chops after watching Flair-Steamboat is really annoying.
Lord of The Curry Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 Weird. I was just watching that match last night. While the no-sell of the powerbomb was stupid, it also popped the crowd heavily and made Tazz look like a bad mofo.
notJames Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 Exactly. Too bad that gimmick couldn't work anywhere else, considering he's 5-foot-nothing and would look ultra silly trying that shit with anyone considerably taller or bigger than him. And not for nothing, Curry, but your sig pic makes me want to either rent LiT again and watch it seven times in a row, or buy the DVD, even though I'm holding out for a post-Oscars Super Special Edition.
Lord of The Curry Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 If they do, I'll buy that one too. I'm holding out for some Bill Murray commentary.
Guest Pigsy Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 I think that's one of the problems with no selling: it hurts the matches as it makes the opponent look bad, but it does get people over. For example, Taker, Goldberg, Taz (ECW obviously), Road Warriors, etc. I guess people just like guys portrayed as the toughest.
Guest TheAnvil Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 "Every opponent RVD has should attempt to cut him down and keep him from hitting his finisher, an aerial move (except Val Venis, who would challenge him to a Splash Match in the old school blue cage...but that's just my dream). " But you don't see much mat psychology in a typical TV match, unless it is the main event. Plus guys like Bubba Ray don't wrestle like that anyway, period. I'm not debating that RVD's matches are really hurt by his no-selling, I just find that a debatable point. You don't see it because they only give the NON-HHH, NON-HBK wrestlers about 4 minutes to get a match in on RAW. It's hard to get psychology in a match in about 4 minutes.
Guest MikeSC Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 That was the story behind the match: each guy going to tremendous lengths of pain, so they wouldn't lose the match...and their career. You seemed to forget that Savage kicked out of Warrior's finisher too (clothesline, gorilla press, gorilla splash)... can you imagine, at that time, how well that finisher was built up? It was equivalent to the F-5 in assurance. Actually, I didn't forget that. But there's a huge difference between kicking out of one finisher (even a very built-up one) and kicking out of five finishers. Remember, Savage's Flying Elbow Drop was built up to a great degree as well. Don't forget Savage was jobbing to the Warrior splash in house shows, so him kicking out of it after 15:00 is probably the only time anyone has done so. Warrior's splash has pinned Andre on TV, but Savage has never pinned Andre with the elbow drop. Warrior pinned Hogan with splash, Savage never pinned Hogan with elbow drop. So Warriors Splash is more devistating I think. Yeah, but Warrior's Splash only has the power to destroy, Savage's Elbow can destroy or revive an opponent. Maybe Savage was, accidentally, in "Revive" mode and those 5 elbows brought Warrior ALL THE WAY BACK to health. -=Mike
AndrewTS Posted February 23, 2004 Report Posted February 23, 2004 "Every opponent RVD has should attempt to cut him down and keep him from hitting his finisher, an aerial move (except Val Venis, who would challenge him to a Splash Match in the old school blue cage...but that's just my dream). " But you don't see much mat psychology in a typical TV match, unless it is the main event. Plus guys like Bubba Ray don't wrestle like that anyway, period. I'm not debating that RVD's matches are really hurt by his no-selling, I just find that a debatable point. You don't see it because they only give the NON-HHH, NON-HBK wrestlers about 4 minutes to get a match in on RAW. It's hard to get psychology in a match in about 4 minutes. Well, the point is that that smash-mouth, Bubba-tough Ray Dudley doesn't wrestle that style, neither does a Bradshaw, Kane, etc. However, usually when "psychology" is put in a Raw match, it typically is a chinlock to slow down the action to a crawl and bore the crowd to sleep.
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