Serial Killers

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Since this thread is kind of dying down I'll tell you why we should keep them alive and study them more. You see most of the relatively recent ones weren't captured through police figuring it out, but through the killers themselves making minor mistakes. Had these killers not made mistakes many more would have surely died.

 

Ed Gein - Told townfolk how he had a few og his victims literally hanging around, at first they shrugged it off but when the Hardware Store woman was killed he left a signed receipt for Anti-Freeze. That's a big whoopsie

 

Gacy - Often killed young boys who came to apply for a job at his corp. One kid told his mom where he was going to apply for work. Killing people who recently leave a work related paper trail is not a good idea

 

Dhamer - After drilling a hole in his last victim's head and pouring acid into it he decided to go take a bath or a nap...something like that. The victim however wasn't dead and stumbled his way to the street corner naked screaming for help and repeating Dhamer's name and pointing at the house. Police took the young man back to the house where Dhamer reported the 14 year old was actually his 19 year old gay lover who was drunk. The next day the family reported the child missing, Dhamer's house was searched, the rest is history. As they said in Monty Python's "Search for the Holy Grail" movie "Next time make sure your dead are actually dead"

 

Bundy - Got pulled over for a broken traffic light and they found a ski mask, crowbar, rope, and all sorts of shit he used just laying in the back seat. Besides the items not being too clean they did testing to find they matched. They placed him in a prison where he purposely lost 30lbs to escape through the vent systems. His second arrest was because he was driving a stolen vehicle. Make sure the car is up to code and actually yours!

 

See one day we're going to have somebody who doesn't make all these stupid mistakes and we won't know how to truly profile the killer because we're not studying them as much as we should. Sure they have years on death row for appeals but they're not going to cooperate as much knowing you're just going to put them to death. First we need to truly study them, find out how to prevent and or capture these people quickly, and then we can continue just sending them to the chair.

[justsoyouknow 0]

Frigid, you seem to know a good deal about serial killers...what, if any, serial killers was Hannibal Lecter based off of? Or was he an actual man? While reading about Chikatilo, I for some reason thought of Lecter.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I've never read anything where they adamantaly state who Lecter was based off of (maybe IDRM, Nabbit, or AoO have). However it looks like they threw a bunch of people you just don't want to meet all together.

 

Andre Chikatilo's brutality

Otis Toole's eating of the flesh

Dr. Cream's doctoral background

 

I do know that Anthony Hopkins always liked to get into a character's mindset in order to portray the character with justice. For the Silence of the Lamb series he would isolate himself for a month and read over case files of Chikatilo and Bundy. His friends and family gave minor visits to him before the filming of the first movie and said they were freaked the fuck out and if he ever did sequels they wouldn't see him for 3 months prior and 3 months after *L* Hopkins still laughs about that to this day.

[Highland 0]

I also heard that he hates the amount of attention that's been focused on his Hannibal Lector character.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Are you suggesting Owen Wilson can beat up a guy who killed over 60 people?

*LMAO* That was great. Maybe if he had Ben Stiller's help!

 

Andre often tore people open with his bare hands. You'd be punching him in the face and he would be busy trying to rip through your abdoman ignoring your punches. The amount of police it took to restrain the man was absurd.

Where did you read that Citizen X had such strength? I'd thought that he was actually a docile, cuckolded man that preyed on children to ensure that he would be able to overpower them. And normally used either a knife or his mouth to tear into the kids, not his hands and whatnot. And, lastly, that he was in the cage while on trial more to protect him from the victims families, rather than to protect people from him. I admit that I didn't read the crimelibrary stuff, the article was huge, but I had read some books on cannibal killers and they portrayed Chitatilo very differently than what you're describing.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I've read alot about the man. He often sodomised children with his bare hands. Ripped through the flesh of their abdoman using his finger nails to start the incision. He did use knives and what not, but there were cases of bare handed sodomy where the victims had tiny bits of finger nail in the openings.

 

He didn't look like much but he was a powder keg of hatred and thought he was a monster born from evil. He couldn't explain his existence otherwise.

 

I'm not saying he would just punch you and boom his hand goes through you, but he would be more inclined to grip the flesh of your underbelly above the waist, drive his finger nails in, and begin to try and seperate it then punch you back.

 

The cage was there for everybody's protection.

 

Edit: Most of his victims were children, but there are cases of adult females he killed too. I doubt he would have done this so easly on a man...but physical pain was just something that didn't phase the man. Its scary shit.

Edited March 1, 2004 by FrigidSoul

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

Didn't Bundy get his ass kicked by one of the gals he picked up, and she ended up escaping, and that's why the police knew to look for someone of his description the 1st time around?

 

 

Kind of like Gacy and the male whore he let live, the whore staked out where Gacy picked him up, got Gacy's car info and had the cops investigate

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

 

Would you fuck with him?

[Ted the Poster 0]

I was watching one of the Autopsy specials on HBO(due to my fascination with the criminal mind), and they did a piece on Chikilato. The Russian court gave him the death penalty, but how they did it pisses me off: a single, painless gunshot to the head. That is bullshit. I would've drawn and quartered his evil ass.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Didn't Bundy get his ass kicked by one of the gals he picked up, and she ended up escaping, and that's why the police knew to look for someone of his description the 1st time around?

Yup, she kicked him and clawed her way from him. Ran away, gave his description and what he had on/with him.

 

So Bundy left all that in his fucking station wagon *L*

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I was watching one of the Autopsy specials on HBO(due to my fascination with the criminal mind), and they did a piece on Chikilato. The Russian court gave him the death penalty, but how they did it pisses me off: a single, painless gunshot to the head. That is bullshit. I would've drawn and quartered his evil ass.

well y executed him in the traditional way then he was executed with said gun shot when he least expected it.

 

How they used to do it for Political figures was they'd lead them to where they were to die but before they got there a man who jump out and shoot them

 

they died in sheer terror

 

 

god bless the history channel

[Guest FrigidSoul]

at 1am EST there's a program on A&E about the Angel of Death. He was a male nurse that killed his patients. He's a borderline serial killer to most as he didn't go out and kill, just took care of people at the workplace.

 

Thought I'd let people know.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Did they ever figure out who the fuck the Zodiac Killer was? I thought I saw something along those lines somehwere, but I'm not sure.

 

Now, that dude was nuts. Tearing people apart is one thing, but mailing letters to the police, bragging about it? That's something else.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

They never figured out who the original one was. They caught a few copy cats.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

reading the CrimeLib article they say a potential one was found and they've taken DNA samples and are awaiting confirmation

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Wow, that would be pretty interesting as he's eluded authorities for 30 years.

 

I thought it was pretty fucked up how he was so conceded he made sure to mail police when copycats had done things claiming that the real Zodiac Killer had not striked and yadda, yadda, yadda. He took his shit personal.

[Damaramu 0]

What did the Zodiac killer do?

Did he dress like Brutus Beefcake did?

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

yes, yes he did.

 

 

dumbass

[Guest Astro]

IMDB

 

The character of Hannibal Lector was inspired by serial killer Albert Fish

[Nighthawk 0]

Two interesting facts about Albert Fish: he'd hidden so many needles in his skin, especially his groin, that when they went to give him the chair it short circuited.  .

That's a myth. I believe, though I'm not 100%, that Code Adam is also an urban legend.

 

Scorpio from Dirty Harry was based on the Zodiac.

 

I haven't heard of Hannibal Lechter being based on anyone specifically, he doesn't seem close enough to Fish. He seems more based on a a type of character than a real person, the master criminal, like they took the best elements from a lot of people. While I'm talking about it, I'll point out that Buffalo Bill was based on three killers, Ed Gein's skin suit, Heidnik's pit, and the scene where he puts his arm in a cast and abducts someone by asking for help is based on Ted Bundy.

 

Since we seem to just be talking about whatever, here's a couple interesting killer tidbits: Ed Kemper; by the way, in American Psycho, Bateman quotes a killer as being asked what he thinks when he sees a pretty girl walking down the street. He responds that one side wants to talk to her, date her, the other side wonders what her head would look like on a stick. He incorrectly attributes that to Ed Gein. Ed Kemper was the one who said that.

Ed Kemper lived with his grandparents, he came home and killed them both one day. They asked him why, he said "I just wondered what it would feel like to shoot Grandma." He ate his grandma too, had gramps in the deep freeze. Said he was saving him for thanksgiving. If there's any Oz fans here, the character of Donald Groves was partially based on him.

[Guest Astro]

What did the Zodiac killer do?

Did he dress like Brutus Beefcake did?

http://www.zodiackiller.com/

[Guest Astro]

Code Adam is also an urban legend

 

I'm gonna have to argue that point.

 

Adam Walsh was abducted at a shopping center, and that directly led to The Walshes campaigning to have a plan enacted in which lost kids would become top priority in a store.

 

I'll look it up though...

[Guest Astro]

www.snopes.com/language/eponyms/codeadam.htm

 

 

Claim: The protocol followed by some stores when a child is reported missing called "Code Adam" after 6-year-old Adam Walsh, who was abducted and murdered in 1981.

Status: True.

 

Origins: "Code

Adam" is a "missing child" security protocol in place in various chain stores. It's an industry's attempt to prevent a tragedy (whether it be a kidnapped child or one who had wandered away). As such, it's real.

[Nighthawk 0]

Ah, retracted then. I'm familiar with the story, but I thought I had heard it wasn't actually called Code Adam.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Code Adam/Code Blue are store signals for a child missing. So if you hear Code Blue its usually that.

 

You bastards better be watching the Cullan program, there will be a test on it later! ok, so there won't be a test, but its still a good start for people unfamiliar with this kind of field.

[treble 0]

I remember a long time ago on Unsolved Mysteries they floated this theory that the Zodiac Killer and Unibomber were the same people. This was before the 'Bomber was caught and I doubt anything came of it, but, yeah.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Code Adam/Code Blue are store signals for a child missing. So if you hear Code Blue its usually that.

 

Actually, at WalSquigglyMart, Code Blue means there's a bomb threat.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Two interesting facts about Albert Fish: he'd hidden so many needles in his skin, especially his groin, that when they went to give him the chair it short circuited.  .

That's a myth. I believe, though I'm not 100%, that Code Adam is also an urban legend.

If it's a myth, IDRM, then it's a myth that's overtaken the reality. A google search comes up with at least half a dozen legitimate articles that reference the fact that it took 2 attempts to finish his execution b/c the chair short circuited. And I remember reading a book about serial killers a few years ago (that listed the most famous serial killers of all time, up to then) and in that it referenced the chair short circuited.

 

If you could/would, show where you saw that it's a myth ... if it's not true, I'd love to see that fact in writing somewhere. Until then, though, I'm sticking with my belief that it's reality.

[Nighthawk 0]

This is not where I originally saw it, but the best I could find on the net at the moment. I'll quote the relevent parts.

 

Fish 1

 

Legend has it that death did not come as quickly as Fish might have liked. When the switch was pulled, according to the story, the first massive jolt of over 3,000 volts failed to kill him. Blue smoke appeared around him but that was all and it has been surmised that the needles that he had put into his body actually created a short circuit. Another, prolonged and massive charge had to be sent through his body in order to execute him -- or so the story that circulated went. In truth, Fish died just like anyone else. When the current raced through him, his body surged and his fists clenched. Moments later, the doctor on duty pronounced that Fish, the oldest man ever executed at Sing Sing, was dead.

 

Fish 2

 

He said, "What a thrill that will be if I have to die in the electric chair. It will be the supreme thrill, the only one I haven't tried." He happily helped his executioners with the electrodes and died a happy man. Legend says the chair short-circuited at first because of the twenty needles implanted in his genitalia, which is a fascinating, but untrue.

 

Funny thing about that second quote is, I don't believe that part about him happily helping his executioners with the electrodes is true either. By all accounts he didn't seem particularly excited, afraid or anything, just matter of fact (though he did say it would be the supreme thrill). That goes to show what kind of speculation and rumor you're up against in this field. I originally heard about it from books, but you know, they're books so I can't show them to you. I guess we can't say for sure, but I believe the chair didn't short circuit for three reasons. Nobody who was there said it did. The mechanics of the chair make it seem kind of unlikely. With so many wild stories passed around about killers, and about the chair itself, the rule tends to be that if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. I judge this as one of those times.

Good way to introduce the point that there is tons of hearsay and speculation when dealing with this sort of thing, cause yeah, the short circuit story is more widely accepted by far. You'll probably hear a lot that Ed Gein had a heart in a pan on the stove, which is verifiably untrue. Even Jeff Dahmer's cannibalism is exaggerated. Hell, almost everything about the Whitechapel murders is a lie.

[Sass 0]

Question:

 

This is vague as hell I know but in 1982ish or so a cross country serial killer was killed at the border to Canada. He was rich as sin and traveled the states looking for women to kill. I forget if he raped them or not but he was one sick puppy (even made a video detailing what he did). He ended up getting stopped at a border stop in Canada by some police officers (forget why) and got into a shoot out with them. I believe he killed one of the police officers before being taken down in a hail of bullets.

 

The guy looked like a skinnier version of Ole Anderson and I was wondering if anyone here knows who I'm talking about.

 

Thanks.