Howard Stern says anti-Bush comments...

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But if you want to run around like beheaded chicken yelling that the sky is falling and we're headed down a road of religious absolutism, save it.

Nah, see, because unlike most of the "moral" leaders, I believe in free speech.

[Guest cpac]

ONCE AGAIN. Govt should not be regulating what is going on my tv and on my radio. If I dont like a certain show I turn the channel. If parents cant regulate what their children are watching and listening to we have bigger problems than Howard Stern. God forbid if Howard Stern asks someone if they had anal sex, what a fucking crime. Bible thumpers and religious fantatics are the fucking devil in our society. They believe so much in a work of fiction that they have to judge everybody and run everybody elses life. I have been listening to stern for the better part of 10 years now since I was 14. You dont see me raping women, robbing stores or killing people. The problems in our sociey stem from bad parenting. If you cant be around to monitor what little timmy is listening to on the radio or watching on tv, get a fucking baby sitter. If you cant afford a baby sitter dont buy your kid a tv or a radio. If you cant afford a tv or radio you shouldn't be having children. Simple as that. But NOOOOOOO the FCC which was designed to monitor pirate tv and radio stations are the ones who have more power than our govt and tell me what i can and cannot watch. This is the second coming of Nazi Germany. Just watch and see. First it is going to be Howard Stern, than it is going to be southpark, the family guy and HBO.

[Styles 0]

But if you want to run around like beheaded chicken yelling that the sky is falling and we're headed down a road of religious absolutism, save it.

Nah, see, because unlike most of the "moral" leaders, I believe in free speech.

So everybody should just be able to say whatever they want and not face any consequences for it?

Howard is broadcasting on airwaves that are a public commodity and he knows that fines exist for abuse of the ariwaves. The FCC exists to regulate use. Howard knows the rules. It's not his own private website where he can do what he wants, he's using public airwaves, so he has to play by the rules.

Again, you want free speech for everyone? So you don't mind racists and such getting free reign to say whatever they want to whoever they want? Do you believe Trent Lott should have had to step down from his position as a result of his controversial statements? Are you at least consistent in your beliefs?

[Styles 0]

ONCE AGAIN.  Govt should not be regulating what is going on my tv and on my radio.  If I dont like a certain show I turn the channel.  If parents cant regulate what their children are watching and listening to we have bigger problems than Howard Stern.  God forbid if Howard Stern asks someone if they had anal sex, what a fucking crime.  Bible thumpers and religious fantatics are the fucking devil in our society.  They believe so much in a work of fiction that they have to judge everybody and run everybody elses life.  I have been listening to stern for the better part of 10 years now since I was 14.  You dont see me raping women, robbing stores or killing people.  The problems in our sociey stem from bad parenting.  If you cant be around to monitor what little timmy is listening to on the radio or watching on tv, get a fucking baby sitter.  If you cant afford a baby sitter dont buy your kid a tv or a radio.  If you cant afford a tv or radio you shouldn't be having children.  Simple as that.  But NOOOOOOO the FCC which was designed to monitor pirate tv and radio stations are the ones who have more power than our govt and tell me what i can and cannot watch.  This is the second coming of Nazi Germany.  Just watch and see.  First it is going to be Howard Stern, than it is going to be southpark, the family guy and HBO.

A) Yes they should because the radio waves are public domain, and they must be regulated to avoid clutter with every nut who wants to creating noise by broadcasting from their own equipment. The FCC does not cencor but it does explicitly state fines will be levied for use of obscene words. I don't think there's any question the conversation was obscene.

B) They won't go after South Park or any other cable program because it is NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN. Cable is indebted to their advertisers and nothing more, while HBO are indebted only to their subscribers. If Howard wants to move to Satellite radio or make his show exclusive to E! he is welcome to.

C) Parenting plays a role, but unlike cable where parents have the choice of what is entering their TVs, or shows on at night, they can't be there every second of the morning to make sure their kid doesn't simply turn a radio dial that likely every kid has in his or her room and hear Howard Stern talk about "n****r sex".

D)Again, I am not the least bit religious and I agree that such obscene material should not be avaliable over the public airwaves at 7 am when children can easily access it.

E) Your reference to Nazi Germany is another in a long line of utter fucking morons that attempt to take the greatest autocity of our modern time and belittle it by making undo comparisons. You've offended me and I'm sure many others. Do you know anything about Nazi Germany? Did you have family that lived (or more likely didn't live) through it? Fuck you.

[Guest cpac]

Slapnuts, sorry to tell you buddy but they are going to go after HBO and cable next. Because from what I recall cable is sold in packages and that makes it equal game. I hope your prepared to living in Nazi Germany where your govt tells what you can and cannot watch, read, listen too. OoOOOOO and you better get off the internet, dont you know all the material on here that can get little johny and timmy in trouble. All the pornography, racists sites filled with vulgar words and nudity.

[Styles 0]

Ok, Im studying Communication so I think I know a little more about the situation than you do. Cable and Premium services are not regulated because they are NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN.

And even it appears you can't be more than 12 years old, I'm going to ask you to stop making offensive and just plain wrong comparisons that belittle real autoricties and slander our country.

[Guest cpac]

Your cursing at me slapnuts? Does this call for a ban? I am offending you? You poor thing at least you dont see me putting you down and cursing you off. God what a big man you are cursing off another human being on a computer. Wow you must be a real tough guy over there. And on the subject of children. How many kids do you know that wakeup at 6 a.m. on a weekday to listen to a radio program. God when i was a kid I had the biggest problem in the world in waking up in the morning. And most schools start at 8 a.m. Howard Sterns show runs from 6 a.m. to 10 a.m. So at most kids have maybe half an hour to listen to the show.

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Again, you want free speech for everyone? So you don't mind racists and such getting free reign to say whatever they want to whoever they want? Do you believe Trent Lott should have had to step down from his position as a result of his controversial statements? Are you at least consistent in your beliefs?

Yes. Anyone should be allowed to say anything at any fucking time. If you don't like what you are hearing, don't listen, or disagree. Maybe have a civilized argument. The problem in this country is no one likes being disagreed with, hence all the murdering, lol. Me? I view arguing as an art form all it's own.

 

But how would you define free speech then if you believe what people can and can't say should be controlled by some invisible moral minority? I wish there would be some sort of backlash against these morons trying to control what I hear and see, but even if there was, you wouldn't hear about it. The news channels wouldn't report on it because of fear of punishments and fines just like Howard is getting.

 

"Facism is coming back"----Willie O'Keefe, JFK

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The censorship thing just gets sadder and sadder.

 

America - The Land of the Purtitans.

[NYU 0]

A) Yes they should because the radio waves are public domain, and they must be regulated to avoid clutter with every nut who wants to creating noise by broadcasting from their own equipment. The FCC does not cencor but it does explicitly state fines will be levied for use of obscene words. I don't think there's any question the conversation was obscene.

 

I think you're being a little extreme when you call Howard "a nut." All he does is put on a mildly controversial radio show in the mornings. It entertains millions of people all over the country and helps them through their day. As cliched as it sounds, I have to agree with others: If you don't like it, there are various other radio stations to turn to. You don't need to take a man that many love to listen to off the radio. Why are the desires of the few outweighing the desires of the many?

 

I would be the first one to agree with you if Howard was screaming "Violence against blacks!", "Bomb Government buildings", or other dangerous garbage. But he's not. He talks about sex - MY GOD - on the radio. This is what freedom of speech falls under. In the grand scheme of things, it's relatively harmless - yet he could very well be fired over it.

 

And just for my own interest....mind telling me what this obscene conversation was about? Don't look it up. Just tell me from your own memory. Because, what I have learned from experience is, most people don't know what Clear Channel is in an UPROAR about. I just want to see if you know before you start preaching about the danger of it all.

 

B) They won't go after South Park or any other cable program because it is NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN. Cable is indebted to their advertisers and nothing more, while HBO are indebted only to their subscribers. If Howard wants to move to Satellite radio or make his show exclusive to E! he is welcome to.

 

Read this:

 

FCC to come after cable soon

 

It's only a matter of time. Give them an inch, they grab a foot.

 

C) Parenting plays a role, but unlike cable where parents have the choice of what is entering their TVs, or shows on at night, they can't be there every second of the morning to make sure their kid doesn't simply turn a radio dial that likely every kid has in his or her room and hear Howard Stern talk about "n****r sex".

 

If a parent is actually responsible enough to be there for their child (or at least a babysitter), the child has no opportunity to listen to Howard Stern in the morning. The parent wakes them up. The child gets dressed. The child goes to the kitchen. The parent makes them breakfast. The parent talks to them before school. The parent then either gets ready to drive the kid to school or gets the child ready for the school bus. Then, the child will be in school. In no way should he have any opportunity to listen to the Howard Stern Show....unless their parents aren't around. For the parents that DO help their child in the mornings, they will soon stop taking such an interest as the child gets older. Once the parents aren't really involved in their child's morning routine anymore, the child should be mature enough to have the ability to listen to what he wants. It's easy to say that Howard's on in the morning and young children are immediately susceptible to it, but this isn't the case. If the parent does the job of a PARENT, a relatively young child doesn't even have the opportunity to listen to the radio by him or herself.

[Guest cpac]

Wow slapnuts your studying communication, you must be really smart. Which junior college do you go to? Me comparing the U.S. govt. to Nazi Germany was taken from what Howard Stern was saying this morning. I was using his own words. Last time I checked Howard Stern is a Jew. Secondly, do you know that these radio stations owned by Clear Channel have Loveline on at like 9 p.m. or 10 p.m. at night. When these little kids have a better chance of being up at compared to 6 a.m. and are not at school. Do you know loveline talks about all kids of sex inculding anal sex? Did you know that these radio stations play songs with adult themes in it? Stupid me, I shouldn't match intelligence with a communications major.

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Wow slapnuts your studying communication, you must be really smart. Which junior college do you go to? Me comparing the U.S. govt. to Nazi Germany was taken from what Howard Stern was saying this morning. I was using his own words. Last time I checked Howard Stern is a Jew. Secondly, do you know that these radio stations owned by Clear Channel have Loveline on at like 9 p.m. or 10 p.m. at night. When these little kids have a better chance of being up at compared to 6 a.m. and are not at school. Do you know loveline talks about all kids of sex inculding anal sex? Did you know that these radio stations play songs with adult themes in it? Stupid me, I shouldn't match intelligence with a communications major.

 

I love how Howard compares Bush to Hitler...and its cemented by all this censorship/banning/invading etc. Im not saying this is necessarily my own comparison but I havent had a show hassled by the FCC.

 

Im also not a real big fan of the conservatives constant disrespect towards the female body.

 

We got tv murders starring high school kids; but dont get caught lookin at some girl's tits

[Styles 0]

To NY: Thank you for the civilized discussion. Just to clarify I wasn't calling Howard a nut, I was explaining why it is neccesarry to have an FCC so "every nut" who wanted to couldn't just start broadcasting.

I don't listen to him, so I don't know first hand what the exact conversation was but from earlier posts in this thread and from talking to others it sounds like he was explicitly describing sex with Paris Hilton's boyfriend. The "n****r sex" comment comes from earlier in the thread, and if its true I don't see how anyone could defend it. I know he didn't say it but he should have some responsibility to cut the guy off.

I saw the article, but I don't think anything will come of it. As the article clearly states, cable has the law on its side. The FCC has no juristiction over non public domain, which includes cable.

 

As for cpac, I tried to be civil, you missed every point I tried to make, resort to flaming and obviously aren't worth the time.

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Slapnuts...the caller used the 'n word', he was then made of fun of by Howard & Gang, and promptly hung up on.

[Slayer 0]

Okay, if you don't want to just look at religion for a reason of censorship, let's look at the potential big 3 reasons I keep hearing about

 

1. Religion (it's on the list, no doubt)

2. PC ('nuff said)

3. SAVING TEH CHILDREN~! (check here for my thoughts along with El Satanico's, who said it beautifully IMO)

 

None of these are sufficient reasons on any level for the chain of events since late January

[NYU 0]

I don't listen to him, so I don't know first hand what the exact conversation was but from earlier posts in this thread and from talking to others it sounds like he was explicitly describing sex with Paris Hilton's boyfriend. The "n****r sex" comment comes from earlier in the thread, and if its true I don't see how anyone could defend it. I know he didn't say it but he should have some responsibility to cut the guy off.

Just for future reference, the remarks came from a caller.

 

The quote? "So Rick, how many n****rs have you had sex with?"

 

They all made fun of him before promptly hanging up.

 

He has never been in much trouble for having the N-Word said on his radio show. Perhaps some minor fines, but that's about it. But now it's becoming the downfall of his radio career, even though a CALLER said it. How was he supposed to know it needed to be censored when it was never much of a problem before? Because it smacks of an underlying issue.

 

Is it Clear Channel wanting to cover their asses in front of Congress, giving the illusion that they're taking actual action?

 

Is it the fact that Howard is now making anti-Bush comments, and the FCC (headed by Colin Powell's son) and Clear Channel (headed by avid Bush supporters) want to make sure it decisively ends?

 

I'm not exactly sure. But there is definitely more here than meets the eye,.

[Guest Cerebus]

I listened to Stern all the time in high school with this crazy thing called a walkman.

[NYU 0]

If you're in high school, I think you're old enough to have the mental capabilities to listen to Howard Stern.

 

Besides, I don't think the people screaming "Save the children from moral filth!" are really talking about high-schoolers. They're reaching out to the grade-schoolers, and some of the middle-schoolers - you know, the children that should be monitored and helped by their parents in the morning, not even having the time by themselves to listen to Stern on the radio.

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I listened to Stern all the time in high school with this crazy thing called a walkman.

Yeah me too. I think by the time kids are in HS though, they're ok to listen to Howard Stern. Their whole lives are nonstop cursing and talking about fucking.

[bob_barron 0]

If you're in high school, I think you're old enough to have the mental capabilities to listen to Howard Stern.

 

Besides, I don't think the people screaming "Save the children from moral filth!" are really talking about high-schoolers. They're reaching out to the grade-schoolers, and some of the middle-schoolers - you know, the children that should be monitored and helped by their parents in the morning, not even having the time by themselves to listen to Stern on the radio.

What about people like me who have listened to Howard since they were 4?

 

I think Howard is harmless for the most part- Unless your little boy stays up till 11 pm to watch Howard on E!- it's not like they can see anything

[bobobrazil1984 0]

I understand what you are saying Slapnuts, and agree with much of it. If you just let anybody say whatever the hell they want on the airwaves, we would get all kinds of hateful crap... some regulation is needed.

 

However, all I'm saying is if you look at the way they are gonig after Stern AND NOT OTHERS (for example, callers on Ryan Seacrest's show, which was jsut picked up by clear channel, were dropping the S word and F-Bomb, that's just one example, there are more), coupled with the fact they are going as far back as THREE YEARS (allegedly) to find stuff to fine Stern over... i mean, yeah Stern says raunchy stuff (by the way the caller who said the N-word was subsequently mocked and hung up on quickly)

 

I'm going to use an analogy here, putting aside the fact that they can't regulate cable yet... what if the FCC were to suddenly start handing out fines to say WWE, for the Vince/Trish 'bark like a dog' segment TODAY... as well as tons of other bad stuff over the past three years, culminating in this week... and handed them all at once, tomorrow, literally accumulating them and TNN had to pay them all quickly just to keep their license, to the extent where having RAW air was actually a major financial liability... now all of a sudden TNN has to get rid of RAW just so they dont lose a whole crapload of money... if that happened, and the FCC promptly ignored tons of other shows doing stuff like that... you wouldn't be able to deny that there was some specific reason and that they were specifically (and in my mind unfairly, despite the fact that Vince puts on some crappy and ranunchy stuff) trying to get RAW off of TNN.

 

It's racketeering. Something is up here and it smells like shit. It's not about FINES... It's about a concentrated effect to get it yanked off of TV/radio for good...... I get the responsibility that something like the FCC has to regulate crap, but in this case, it's bullshit.

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I think Howard is harmless for the most part- Unless your little boy stays up till 11 pm to watch Howard on E!- it's not like they can see anything

And the kid will find something to wack off to either way......as I am sure we all know.

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All of this censorship shit over a fucking TIT. I don't understand all of the hoopla over nudity and bad language. Other countries have much worse things on television like you know full nudity, and they don't seem to have any problems. I figure that all the violence on tv would be a bigger target than boobs and potty humor. I agree that the government is way too influenced by religious groups and conservative groups to be able to define to the American people what is obscence and indecent. Most people I know didn't even care about Janet's boob or them consider Stern to be offensive. It is not the government's job to police us and dictate our lives, the citizens should have control and be able to tell the government, "Sorry, but we don't really get all bothered about tits on tv". If a person doesn't like what someone is saying or doing on tv or the radio, or more specifically, a parent thinks something is appropriate for their child, they should take responsibilty for themselves and their kids. My mom didn't need Michael Powell to tell her that Wesley Snipes getting it on in Money Train with J-Lo was in appropriate for my 6 year old brother. She just simply said "cover your eyes honey" and that was that. If these fucking uptight lobbyists would actually be parents to their kids and be involved in their lives, we wouldn't have all these fucking stupid ass controversies over censorship and free speech. A great example, is a girl in one of my classes who is 18,19 years old saying that she didn't go see the "Passion of Christ" because her mother ( who happens to be a chair on the Anti-Defimation League) said that she had got a lot of complaints about the movie being anti-Semetic, and that her daughter being Jewish shouldn't go see it. So you have this girl who is a legal adult still having her movie viewing patterns dictated to her by her mother. What kind of shit is that

[Guest cpac]

Because according to the FCC and people like Slapnuts, we as human beings shouldn't be allowed to make up our own minds. It's funny that we are the most inteligent species in the animal kingdom, we are able to reason, know what is right and wrong but we need bible thumpers, hypocritical policticians and know it alls like Slapnuts to tell us what is acceptable in our own private homes on our own television sets and radios.

[Styles 0]

Because according to the FCC and people like Slapnuts, we as human beings shouldn't be allowed to make up our own minds. It's funny that we are the most inteligent species in the animal kingdom, we are able to reason, know what is right and wrong but we need bible thumpers, hypocritical policticians and know it alls like Slapnuts to tell us what is acceptable in our own private homes on our own television sets and radios.

Are you done? If you have a problem with me take it to the proper forum. Stop dragging down what is meant to be serious discussion because your own ineptness and immaturity prevents you from participating as such.

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Because according to the FCC and people like Slapnuts, we as human beings shouldn't be allowed to make up our own minds.  It's funny that we are the most inteligent species in the animal kingdom, we are able to reason, know what is right and wrong but we need bible thumpers, hypocritical policticians and know it alls like Slapnuts to tell us what is acceptable in our own private homes on our own television sets and radios.

Are you done? If you have a problem with me take it to the proper forum. Stop dragging down what is meant to be serious discussion because your own ineptness and immaturity prevents you from participating as such.

He has every right to be angry...he, like I, want this country to be for all Americans, not just conservative-puritanical-Republican interests.

 

However, cpac, you really should calm your posts down. It doesnt take a boatload of intelligence to describe the ills going on underneath president Bush.

 

Cursing, kids, is on par with 'omglolfhfdhlol!' on the middle school debating level.

[Guest hunger4unger]

There is censorship and there is acting sensibly.

 

Children should not be subjected to racial slurs and adult material during day time - sure, it's a parents responsibility to monitor their children but it is irresponisble for adult material to be broadcast in the morning, or anytime except after a watershed of say, 9pm.

 

I don't agree with censorship in general but in this case I do.

[snuffbox 0]

There is censorship and there is acting sensibly.

 

Children should not be subjected to racial slurs and adult material during day time - sure, it's a parents responsibility to monitor their children but it is irresponisble for adult material to be broadcast in the morning, or anytime except after a watershed of say, 9pm.

 

I don't agree with censorship in general but in this case I do.

So everytime a person calls a show and says the 'n word'...that show should be banned?

[sfaJack 0]

There is censorship and there is acting sensibly.

 

Children should not be subjected to racial slurs and adult material during day time - sure, it's a parents responsibility to monitor their children but it is irresponisble for adult material to be broadcast in the morning, or anytime except after a watershed of say, 9pm.

 

I don't agree with censorship in general but in this case I do.

Hey, wow, I didn't think I'd ever agree with you on something, but here it is.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable for there to be a fairly strict set of broadcast standards from say, 7 a.m. - 8/9 p.m. Outside of those hours, it should be pretty free and clear...but really, is it THAT bad to have some decency standards on public airwaves?

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I cant believe a couple of you really think that children listen to Howard....