Outsourcing: Good or Bad in the long term?

[Guest MikeSC]

Also in casinos in NJ. Nothing better than having to stop what I'm doing to explain our policies because the cashiers are unable to do so themselves.

                      -=Mike

You work in a casino? That's... Interesting.

 

 

Please don't tell me you work for Trump.

Not any more. I left that cess pool months ago.

Eh... Mike will lose his job and convince himself that he is worth the unemployment while condeming others because he is better than them.

Because I do that regularly.

I really don't think he would care about a hard working person who may hold a meaningless job (In Mikes opinion) like an office clerk with a kid or two losing his job and having to be out of work for 4 months and the kids can't eat.

Yup, that's me. Cold and heartless to the end.

Fuck them eh Mike? Well hopefully you lose you job. I'm actively rooting for it... either that... or for another woman to beat the hell out of you again.

Man, and I loved you so much, too.

 

I don't know who pissed in your corn flakes this morning.

Had nothing to do with outsourcing.

 

More of the anti-unemployment for people that may have a hard go of it for a few months. Nothing wrong with that as we all could have that happen at some point.

Had my hard times and dealt with it. I didn't ask fro handouts.

I'm totally against people leeching off unemployment for 7-12 months. Get a job at McDonalds or Walmart and have some respect at least.

 

I hope he has a few hard months with a few repos as well.

And I hope it doesn't hurt too much when your head is removed from your ass.

Besides... Hippies don't work period or even try.

Wow, such hatred out of you.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Eh... Mike will lose his job and convince himself that he is worth the unemployment while condeming others because he is better than them.

 

I really don't think he would care about a hard working person who may hold a meaningless job (In Mikes opinion) like an office clerk with a kid or two losing his job and having to be out of work for 4 months and the kids can't eat.

 

Fuck them eh Mike? Well hopefully you lose you job. I'm actively rooting for it... either that... or for another woman to beat the hell out of you again.

Heck, looking back, care to explain what popped the zit on your BUTT that caused that little outburst?

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Ow.

Agreed. Especially coming from a so called hippy basher.

 

What did Mike say that was so bad? Job outsourcing like it or not is the risk you take in a free market society. Truthfully businesses would be foolish not to take advantage of lower wages in overseas markets. That may not seem fair to people, but life isn't always fair.

I'm curious, myself. I doubt twat rock knows himself, anyway.

 

Outsourcing is necessary and unemployment is a waste.

 

You can ALWAYS find a job. Heck, I've cooked in kitchens and done friggin' landscaping when I needed money in a pinch.

 

But, Rant is assuming that his insanity is of any actual consequence in the world. If he wants to think I'm heartless, he can feel free to do so. I volunteer plenty at my church, take in stray animals all of the time and the like --- perhaps HE feels guilty due to HIS being a leech on society, rather than a benefit.

-=Mike

[MrRant 0]

Leech? I've never been on unemployment. I always had a job.

 

However I've had friends that have been on unemployment for 2-3 months inbetween jobs and I don't consider that a waste. Sometimes people need a bridge... especially if they are going out on 2-3 interviews a week and are trying.

 

Those that stay on unemployment for months on end and do 1 interview a month and are picky about a job because it doesn't pay for their Lexus payments should be shot.

 

Same with welfare. I'd rather someone be on something for a couple months instead of houses being foreclosed on, kids going hungry, etc. Nothing is wrong with that.... but you seem to have an opinion that even the people who are working full time and still need some type of assistance (foodstamps for example) are subhuman and are worthless.

 

I'm assuming that your volunteering at the Church is kicking out the members who don't put at least $5 into the collection plate eh?

 

And you really are bad copying Jingus' dissections. You don't have enough panache to pull it off.

 

Edit : Outsourcing is where certain jobs are going right now. I'm ok with that for the most part.

[Guest MikeSC]

Leech?  I've never been on unemployment.  I always had a job.

 

However I've had friends that have been on unemployment for 2-3 months inbetween jobs and I don't consider that a waste.  Sometimes people need a bridge... especially if they are going out on 2-3 interviews a week and are trying.

So your friends are leeches.

Those that stay on unemployment for months on end and do 1 interview a month and are picky about a job because it doesn't pay for their Lexus payments should be shot.

 

Same with welfare.  I'd rather someone be on something for a couple months instead of houses being foreclosed on, kids going hungry, etc.  Nothing is wrong with that.... but you seem to have an opinion that even the people who are working full time and still need some type of assistance (foodstamps for example) are subhuman and are worthless.

Nope, Everybody has worth --- well, outside of your circle of leech friends, I mean. If they won't get off their butts and try, though, they best not expect a smidgeon of sympathy. There are always jobs open. Always. They don't get paid enough- -- go elsewhere. There are millions of jobs --- surely you're qualified for one or two of them.

I'm assuming that your volunteering at the Church is kicking out the members who don't put at least $5 into the collection plate eh?

Yup, that's it. Exactly. You got me. While you and your leech friends are on the street corner, begging for a little cash, I s'pose.

And you really are bad copying Jingus' dissections.  You don't have enough panache to pull it off.

*sniff* that almost hurts. Really. I am within inches of crying. Truly. Honestly.

 

What if I told you I was unemployed --- but trying? Would you be nice to me, then?

Edit :  Outsourcing is where certain jobs are going right now.  I'm ok with that for the most part.

This is me not giving a damn.

-=Mike

[MrRant 0]

Oh dear lord. Mike is insulting friends of mine.... oh how that hurts me. I wouldn't talk that way about them Mike... one of them is a girl so you might get your ass handed to you.

 

Again.

[Guest MikeSC]

Oh dear lord. Mike is insulting friends of mine.... oh how that hurts me. I wouldn't talk that way about them Mike... one of them is a girl so you might get your ass handed to you.

 

Again.

Ah, I love this catch-22.

 

I beat her up, I'm scum.

 

I don't hit her, and I'm just a pussy, huh?

 

And, just to let you know, just because a hooker SAYS she likes you, she probably doesn't REALLY mean it, so you might want to knock that list of "friends" down a notch.

-=Mike

...Of course, to be beaten by a woman, you'd have to BE WITH ONE, I s'pose --- so you're safe for a while.

[Vyce 0]

You two, take it outside.

 

Er....to the NHB folder, I mean.

[Guest Cerebus]

I think it would be.... fun.... if Bush talked about why outsourcing is good in the long term during one of the debates.    It's one of those issues where even if he's correct in their long-term benefit, you STILL don't want to actually tell the American people this or try to explain it to them. It's a lose-lose issue that Bush should try his damnedst to ignore and Kerry should probably try his damnedst to harp on.

Aye, the article in Foreign Affairs mentions that the best thing they think Bush should do is...nothing. The idea is if he lets sleeping dogs lie all will be well in the long run, but they acknowledge that it is almost politically impossible to "do nothing" even when its the best option.

[Guest MikeSC]

I think it would be.... fun.... if Bush talked about why outsourcing is good in the long term during one of the debates.    It's one of those issues where even if he's correct in their long-term benefit, you STILL don't want to actually tell the American people this or try to explain it to them. It's a lose-lose issue that Bush should try his damnedst to ignore and Kerry should probably try his damnedst to harp on.

Aye, the article in Foreign Affairs mentions that the best thing they think Bush should do is...nothing. The idea is if he lets sleeping dogs lie all will be well in the long run, but they acknowledge that it is almost politically impossible to "do nothing" even when its the best option.

If I were him, I'd ignore it. You can turn ANYTHING around on Kerry if you try hard enough.

 

His economic plan? Well, he has had how many years in the Senate? Why did he never try for these policies BEFORE?

 

Make Kerry's RECORD the primary issue. Make Kerry play defense because he really CAN'T do it with some of this.

 

Kerry can criticize Bush all day long and mention everything he wants done --- but he's had YEARS to do it and never offered most of the policies he'll mention.

You two, take it outside.

 

Er....to the NHB folder, I mean.

I'll ignore his flame-baiting from here on out.

 

Promise.

-=Mike

[NoCalMike 0]

So let me get this straight, a husband supporting his family, suddenly loses his job, and instead of cutting lawns in the morning and working Mickey-D's at night which would still only pay 1/4 of his mortgage, he decides to get unemployment for a few months until he finds a job to pay his bills, is a leech?..........RIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

[Vern Gagne 0]

If he's not actively looking for work than yes. I've seen many people fall into bad habits, if they aren't right back looking for work.

 

My brother was laid off last April or May and did jackshit in terms of looking. Lucky for him a friend of his is a painter and he works for him 4 days a week, and that pays the rent and bills.

[NoCalMike 0]

If he's not actively looking for work than yes. I've seen many people fall into bad habits, if they aren't right back looking for work.

 

My brother was laid off last April or May and did jackshit in terms of looking. Lucky for him a friend of his is a painter and he works for him 4 days a week, and that pays the rent and bills.

ok but now you are searching for any little reason to call him a leech. Of course he is looking for work, or I'd hope that was assumed, I mean he does have a family to feed and all. Not to mention that unemployment for the most part is only a fraction of your regular salary in the first place, so it is not like the husband could just sit back, kick his feet up and live carefree for a month or two. Of course this is a hypothetical husband anyway, haha.

[Vern Gagne 0]

If it's assumed he's looking than he's not a leech.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I like Mike.

 

I like Rant.

 

I have been on unemployment.

 

That's all...

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Fucking hippy leech.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Tell me about it.

 

Not only did my hair start to grow real long real fast, but little flowers and peace signs were starting to appear on my clothes...

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Tell me about it.

 

Not only did my hair start to grow real long real fast, but little flowers and peace signs were starting to appear on my clothes...

Was that from not washing yourself?

 

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Wasn't my fault -- there were not any public fountains at the East Village Coffee Shop, where I was spending all my free time talking about corporate globalization with NPR playing in the background...

[Ripper 0]

I swear to christ with every post Mike gives I will swear you are one of those "If I get in a bind Mommy can give me the money till times get easier." That might not be the case, but anyone that calls collecting unemployment being a leech really seems like they don't have to worry about income.

 

How can you be all , YAY Outsourcing, when you purpose is that it creates better jobs supposedly, then say "Hey, I know you got laid off, but go work at McDonalds for about 1/8 of the money you were making before instead of taking the unemploment money that you earned. Your family might not have much food to eat and your credit might start getting screwed because of it, but at least you wouldn't be touching the money you earned...Because then you are a leech."

[Guest MikeSC]

I swear to christ with every post Mike gives

You shouldn't swear. It's not nice.

I will swear you are one of those "If I get in a bind Mommy can give me the money till times get easier."  That might not be the case, but anyone that calls collecting unemployment being a leech really seems like they don't have to worry about income. 

Hmm, yet I hold no negative impressions about you.

 

OK, admittedly, I never really think about you --- but that's beside the point.

 

Call me fortunate. I've never had a big problem. Things work out.

How can you be all , YAY Outsourcing, when you purpose is that it creates better jobs supposedly, then say "Hey, I know you got laid off, but go work at McDonalds for about 1/8 of the money you were making before instead of taking the unemploment money that you earned.

We're not saying "Yay, outsourcing!". We're saying outsourcing is a necessary and important thing.

 

And if you have to take an 87.5% paycut from your old job, then you have problems.

 

Unemployment is not something you should go on. Period. You can ALWAYS find something to do. Heck, work for your city's sanitation dept.

Your family might not have much food to eat and your credit might start getting screwed because of it, but at least you wouldn't be touching the money you earned...Because then you are a leech."

As we can show with Social Security, you seldom get only the money you are "owed". You tend to get much more than you put in.

-=Mike

[Ripper 0]

I swear to christ with every post Mike gives

You shouldn't swear. It's not nice.

I will swear you are one of those "If I get in a bind Mommy can give me the money till times get easier."  That might not be the case, but anyone that calls collecting unemployment being a leech really seems like they don't have to worry about income. 

Hmm, yet I hold no negative impressions about you.

 

OK, admittedly, I never really think about you --- but that's beside the point.

 

Call me fortunate. I've never had a big problem. Things work out.

How can you be all , YAY Outsourcing, when you purpose is that it creates better jobs supposedly, then say "Hey, I know you got laid off, but go work at McDonalds for about 1/8 of the money you were making before instead of taking the unemploment money that you earned.

We're not saying "Yay, outsourcing!". We're saying outsourcing is a necessary and important thing.

 

And if you have to take an 87.5% paycut from your old job, then you have problems.

 

Unemployment is not something you should go on. Period. You can ALWAYS find something to do. Heck, work for your city's sanitation dept.

Your family might not have much food to eat and your credit might start getting screwed because of it, but at least you wouldn't be touching the money you earned...Because then you are a leech."

As we can show with Social Security, you seldom get only the money you are "owed". You tend to get much more than you put in.

-=Mike

Unemployment pays a fraction of your old salary, the salary that you earned through your hard work in theory, that was collected by the unemployment insurance that your employer paid.

 

If that fraction is MORE than a minimum wage job (which aparently is enough to support a family according to you) what type of fucking idiot would take less money home to him/herself and thier family? How is that "wrong"?

 

Any person that would let themselves or their family suffer because unemployment is "wrong" is a idiot.

[Ripper 0]

And seriously, comedy...not your thing.

 

 

thought I was bad. Jeez.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

"Was"? That implies past-tense.

 

...Of course, to be beaten by a woman, you'd have to BE WITH ONE, I s'pose --- so you're safe for a while.

 

I may be wrong on this, but I'm sure there will be a Mrs. Rant in the not-too-distant future. There's already a Baby (future hippie chick) Rant...

[Dr. Tom 0]

Eh... Mike will lose his job and convince himself that he is worth the unemployment while condeming others because he is better than them.

 

I really don't think he would care about a hard working person who may hold a meaningless job (In Mikes opinion) like an office clerk with a kid or two losing his job and having to be out of work for 4 months and the kids can't eat.

 

Fuck them eh Mike? Well hopefully you lose you job. I'm actively rooting for it... either that... or for another woman to beat the hell out of you again.

When was the last time you contributed something of value to this folder?

[Guest MikeSC]

"Was"? That implies past-tense.

 

...Of course, to be beaten by a woman, you'd have to BE WITH ONE, I s'pose --- so you're safe for a while.

 

I may be wrong on this, but I'm sure there will be a Mrs. Rant in the not-too-distant future. There's already a Baby (future hippie chick) Rant...

Really? Well congrats to him.

-=Mike

...Thought I was going to say something nasty, didn't ya?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Catfights aside, I'm rather tired of watching all the jobs around here get shipped off to me-he-co. Sure, there's always a "job" out there, but not everyone is a bachelor, or a couple with a kid. Say my plant were to go under, or get shipped off, there's families of five and six who are hit. Now, either they could draw from the tax dollars that they paid fair and square until they move or find something different, or they flip burgers and survive on cold french fries.

 

Call me lazy, but I'm collecting unemployment given that decision. I'm all for limiting its resources, and discouraging the career baby factories, but I don't see how it's the least bit "leechish" or what have you when it's utilized properly.

[Guest MikeSC]

Catfights aside, I'm rather tired of watching all the jobs around here get shipped off to me-he-co. Sure, there's always a "job" out there, but not everyone is a bachelor, or a couple with a kid. Say my plant were to go under, or get shipped off, there's families of five and six who are hit. Now, either they could draw from the tax dollars that they paid fair and square until they move or find something different, or they flip burgers and survive on cold french fries.

 

Call me lazy, but I'm collecting unemployment given that decision. I'm all for limiting its resources, and discouraging the career baby factories, but I don't see how it's the least bit "leechish" or what have you when it's utilized properly.

Because, far too often, it ISN'T used "properly". It is MEANT to be used as the stopgap while you look for another job. And whilr I wouldn't ever do that (again, I can return to waiting tables, or delivering pizza, or any of a number of things I did in my youth), if somebody else decides to and only does it briefly, fine.

 

However, WAY too often, it is used IN PLACE of having a job (there is a reason the GOP backed time limits on drawing it). Many would stay on it INDEFINITELY, if given the chance.

 

NO policy works perfectly for all people at all times. To try and do it would be fool-hardy and a waste of your time.

 

And, again, I've had to take jobs I hated to make ends meet. I can't cook to save my life, but managed to get jobs in kitchens for years whenever I needed it. I loathe yard work, but have done plenty of landscaping in my life. Occasionally, you have to do the crap work.

-=Mike

[Ripper 0]

Eh... Mike will lose his job and convince himself that he is worth the unemployment while condeming others because he is better than them. 

 

I really don't think he would care about a hard working person who may hold a meaningless job (In Mikes opinion) like an office clerk with a kid or two losing his job and having to be out of work for 4 months and the kids can't eat.

 

Fuck them eh Mike?  Well hopefully you lose you job.  I'm actively rooting for it... either that... or for another woman to beat the hell out of you again.

When was the last time you contributed something of value to this folder?

Well...

 

He certainly added that.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

When was the last time you contributed something of value to this folder?

When was the last time he ever acted so sure of himself while displaying so much ignorance?

 

He might think Rant's a leech, I disagree because at least he has work, but Mike himself has ignored what a bonehead he is, certainly the most eager person I've ever seen to resort to partisan bickering so quickly: Dragging baggage from one thread into another, making more threads responding to a subject already contained in one large discussion. That's an issue I was hoping for moderation on a while ago, but since I've brought it up, he's calmed it down at least.

 

Throw in the way he looks down at people for various traits that in all equals to all but a fifth of the country's popuation, and his steadfast belief that 100% of his opinions are 100% correct 100% of the time, and it's no suprise how futile it is to debate with him. With kkk, PowerPlay, and Rant (when he tries to enter a serious discussion instead of trying to elect a breakfast sausage for President or what have you), things can be argued on their merits instead of whether they're right/left.

 

I have no idea why I keep falling for the Mike trap, but somehow I still do.