U.S Declares War on Porn

[Dr. Tom 0]

What's next for Ashcroft? Levying fines against shows that depict people playing poker? Dancing?

Rounders = BANNED~!

 

One more reason to think Ashcroft is a condom his father should have worn, and one more reason not to vote for Bush in November.

[lomasmoney 0]

She showed some titty to get more album sales, jeebus it wasnt that big of a deal. It shouldnt be a big deal if this country wasn't filled with uptight assholes like Ashcroft who think that it is their job to censor anything that may be overtly sexual in content

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

What did Missouri see in this guy anyway?

I don't know..

 

then again, Missouri is also partly to blame for President Bush being elected.

[Guest El Satanico]

I don't think Missouri thought much of him...Didn't they elect a dead person over him?

They don't see anything in him; he lost to a dead man.

 

Yes, but he still was elected twice for gov ('84 and '88) and then elected to one term as senator before losing to said dead guy

Yes, but losing to a dead man shows the people of Missouri didn't think of him too highly.

 

Maybe he won on flukes or by being unopposed. Or maybe Missouri is full of uptight people who liked Ashcroft to begin with but after three terms decided he was worthless.

[Guest SP-1]

Ashcroft, a religious man who does not drink alcohol or caffeine, smoke, gamble or dance, and has fought unrelenting criticism that he has trod roughshod on civil liberties in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, is taking on the porn industry at a time when many experts say Americans are wary about government intrusion into their lives.

 

The Bush administration is eager to shore up its conservative base with this issue. Ashcroft held private meetings with conservative groups a year and a half ago to assure them that anti-porn efforts are a priority.

Now this particular quote interests me. Anyone know what particular religious sect he claims? The caffeine line makes me suspect that the Christians aren't behind this one.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

The anti-dancing thing, IIRC, was a Puritan thing.

 

So, since its roots can be traced most closely to Calvinism, probably Baptist.

 

FWIW, I don't blame Bush for this at all. But his spineless refusal to cut ties with this loon is directly related to the fact that he NEEDS the religious right to win in 2004. And if this is what he's willing to preside over, then he's gonna have to deal with the consequences.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

I don't think Missouri thought much of him...Didn't they elect a dead person over him?

They don't see anything in him; he lost to a dead man.

 

Yes, but he still was elected twice for gov ('84 and '88) and then elected to one term as senator before losing to said dead guy

Yes, but losing to a dead man shows the people of Missouri didn't think of him too highly.

 

Maybe he won on flukes or by being unopposed. Or maybe Missouri is full of uptight people who liked Ashcroft to begin with but after three terms decided he was worthless.

he lost to a popular dead guy, who was the Governor of Missouri at the time of his death.

[Guest SP-1]

The anti-dancing thing, IIRC, was a Puritan thing.

 

So, since its roots can be traced most closely to Calvinism, probably Baptist.

Doubtful. Calvinism and the Baptist denomination parted ways long ago. Predestination and all doesn't sit well with them. The dancing line and the gambling and such are marks of a southern baptist, but the caffeine one is most peculiar. Mormons are pretty big on that, but they aren't classified as Christians because they are works-based and their theology is . . . well, it's off by alot. Totally different from actual Christian beliefs.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

I'm aware they're not one in the same, but the Baptist faith was originally an offshoot of Calvinism, and shared many of its bible thumping "OMG STOP DOING THAT!" ways, if I remember my Renaissance/Reformation Europe class correctly.

 

And I mean, I don't drink caffeine, either; that may not have to do with his religious beliefs as much as his health concerns.

[Vern Gagne 0]

The anti-dancing thing, IIRC, was a Puritan thing.

 

So, since its roots can be traced most closely to Calvinism, probably Baptist.

 

FWIW, I don't blame Bush for this at all. But his spineless refusal to cut ties with this loon is directly related to the fact that he NEEDS the religious right to win in 2004. And if this is what he's willing to preside over, then he's gonna have to deal with the consequences.

This issue will have zero affect on whether or not the President is elected or isn't elected to a 2nd term.

 

As for the issue at hand. I wouldn't be to worried about it. The Porn Industry has survived on slaughts before, and this will be no different.

[Guest SP-1]

I'm aware they're not one in the same, but the Baptist faith was originally an offshoot of Calvinism, and shared many of its bible thumping "OMG STOP DOING THAT!" ways, if I remember my Renaissance/Reformation Europe class correctly.

 

And I mean, I don't drink caffeine, either; that may not have to do with his religious beliefs as much as his health concerns.

The Reformation is quite a muddled thing. Baptists are certainly protestant and share that with Calvin, but Luther was a larger player in the actual reformation and the breaking away from the Mother Church and its unbiblical teaching.

 

But that's a whole other thing.

 

I might investigate this further. The caffeine could be a health concern, but the fact that they listed it among his religious/moral convictions is peculiar.

[Vern Gagne 0]

...and one more reason not to vote for Bush in November.

What other reasons?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

(Kerry should start using this  "vote for Bush, and you will lose your porn!" He'd win in a landslide!)

"Some people have wacky ideas like taking away your porno so that you whack it less. That's John Ashcroft!"

(yada yada yada)

"Maybe John Ashcroft doesn't understand what his ideas mean to the rest of us."

[dutchse.cx 0]

And Cheney and Rice should switch places. Let Cheney work in the background as an advisor which is what he is anyway, and let Condi come to a more high profile position which would make history in 2 ways, and gain Bush more support on his ticket.

 

Cheney's already secretive enough as is. He's just a creepy mofo. I wouldn't trust him as a high school guidance counselor.

[Mole 0]

Plus the Porn industry is the only business where women get paid more than men.

 

THINK OF ALL OF THE WOMEN SUCKING COCK!! They need high paying jobs too.

 

[Guest Cerebus]

I know mormons are supposed to avoid "strong drink" which some interpert as caffine, but I think its personal beleif, he just doesn't think those things are moral. Not that I care what he does with his personal religion (so long as he doesn't refuse to take his kids to a hospital if they become sick) but this anti-porn crap is more than a little stupid. The feds usually have their eye on porn for more sensible reasons (underage kids, connections to the mob, abuse etc.) but it seems he's doing this for none of those.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Basically this was not "started" by the Janet Jackson incident. This goes way back to the beginning of the Bush Administration. During the Clinton administration there were virtually no actions taken against pornographers for obscenity charges. Then the Bush appointed FCC stepped in and one of the first issues that they had was with pornography/obscenity. They were busy hunting down pornographers back in 2001 up until 9-11. Now a combination of nothing better to do, the Janet incident and an Election year has caused the issue to get put back on the front burner.

 

I will say this. If Bush gets re-elected, no ammount of "its free speech" and "the First Ammendment" will stop a ban on most types of pornography on the internet. And it will happen in due time regardless since Government will step in and help out the poor parents raise their kids just like they are doing with TV. I don't know how it will be accomplished and how effective it would be but it will happen. Im willing to bet the first thing that will happen is the ban of adult material being sold on the internet which would not only apply to DVDs and the like but also paid member sites. Im sure they would also go hunting for porn downloaders on Kazaa and such like the RIAA is doing for music.

[Guest thebigjig]

I brought this up in a previous thread, poking fun of the ridiculously stupid military operation names (enduring freedom, vigilant resolve) but seriously... this... is... operation: Enduring Jesus

[Guest MD2020]

I don't think Missouri thought much of him...Didn't they elect a dead person over him?

They don't see anything in him; he lost to a dead man.

 

Yes, but he still was elected twice for gov ('84 and '88) and then elected to one term as senator before losing to said dead guy

Yes, but losing to a dead man shows the people of Missouri didn't think of him too highly.

 

Let's not get into the whole "OMG ASSCROFT LOST TO A DEAD GUY LOL!" stuff.

 

I think he's dead wrong in this issue, but the reason he lost was sympathy vote. The dead guy's wife took over the campaign and ran in her husband's place. Ascroft had no shot after that.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/61/story_6188_1.html

 

He's a Pentecostal, whatever the F that is.

[snuffbox 0]

I don't think Missouri thought much of him...Didn't they elect a dead person over him?

They don't see anything in him; he lost to a dead man.

 

Yes, but he still was elected twice for gov ('84 and '88) and then elected to one term as senator before losing to said dead guy

Yes, but losing to a dead man shows the people of Missouri didn't think of him too highly.

 

Let's not get into the whole "OMG ASSCROFT LOST TO A DEAD GUY LOL!" stuff.

 

I think he's dead wrong in this issue, but the reason he lost was sympathy vote. The dead guy's wife took over the campaign and ran in her husband's place. Ascroft had no shot after that.

No, sorry kid, Missouri elected a cadaver because they found it to be the better choice of polititian. No excuses please, Missouri did not collectively vote for the deceased out of 'sympathy'.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Ashcroft, a religious man who does not drink alcohol or caffeine, smoke, gamble or dance

 

"Great. The world's most boring human."

 

 

 

 

What did Missouri see in this guy anyway?

I feel like putting methamphetamines in his bottled water. A lot of methamphetamines in his bottled water.

 

Fucking cocksucker.

[Slayer 0]

No, sorry kid, Missouri elected a cadaver because they found it to be the better choice of polititian.

That could be said if you ran a cadaver against any politician

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

No, sorry kid, Missouri elected a cadaver because they found it to be the better choice of polititian.

That could be said if you ran a cadaver against any politician

[Guest MD2020]

I don't think Missouri thought much of him...Didn't they elect a dead person over him?

They don't see anything in him; he lost to a dead man.

 

Yes, but he still was elected twice for gov ('84 and '88) and then elected to one term as senator before losing to said dead guy

Yes, but losing to a dead man shows the people of Missouri didn't think of him too highly.

 

Let's not get into the whole "OMG ASSCROFT LOST TO A DEAD GUY LOL!" stuff.

 

I think he's dead wrong in this issue, but the reason he lost was sympathy vote. The dead guy's wife took over the campaign and ran in her husband's place. Ascroft had no shot after that.

No, sorry kid, Missouri elected a cadaver because they found it to be the better choice of polititian. No excuses please, Missouri did not collectively vote for the deceased out of 'sympathy'.

One, don't call me kid. I'm old enough to be the pimp that got paid for the fuck that made you. (not really; I just wanted to use that line. No offense.)

 

Two, I really don't care. I'm not a resident of Missouri, nor a fan of Ashcroft. I think that whatever consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes is fine, as long as no one is being harmed (i.e., child porn, etc.).

 

As for my comment about sympathy, it's something I vaguely remember from four years ago. Undecided voters, I believe, went to the widow in large numbers, and not necessary based on her skills or experience--mostly for emotion..

 

As this article shows, Ashcroft was in the lead until the crash.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/storie...enate.missouri/

[converge241 0]

"I thought the softcore stuff on HBO was only on late at night "

 

unless you have on demand service where you can watch real sex/skinemax whenever

[Dr. Tom 0]

...and one more reason not to vote for Bush in November.

What other reasons?

The FCC clamping down on anything that's not a 1950's sitcom. I know Bush isn't in charge of the FCC, but he put Michael Powell (who I'm sure had a rigorous job interview...) in that spot.

 

The pandering to the religious right and generally adopting a religion-driven agenda.

 

The recent bill he signed protecting the "rights" of unborn children. I see this as the first step to making abortion illegal, which is something I would strongly disagree with.

 

Basically, I think Bush is a Jesus Freak, and I wish he and his fellow Bible thumpers would stop trying to force their fucking beliefs on everyone. Tolerance means that you put up with other belief systems, not that you legislate yours across the board.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Mormons are pretty big on that, but they aren't classified as Christians because they are works-based and their theology is . . . well, it's off by alot. Totally different from actual Christian beliefs.

I agree with you about Mormon theology disqualifying them from being considered Christians, but aren't Catholics works-based? I know it's at least a combination of works and grace. I don't quite have a religious affiliation, but I'd like to believe that being a good person, helping your fellow man, contributing to society in a positive way, and all of that, should be just as importnat as saying "Yeah I believe in God."

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

I agree with you about Mormon theology disqualifying them from being considered Christians, but aren't Catholics works-based?

Yes.

[Guest MD2020]

Mormons are pretty big on that, but they aren't classified as Christians because they are works-based and their theology is . . . well, it's off by alot.  Totally different from actual Christian beliefs.

I agree with you about Mormon theology disqualifying them from being considered Christians, but aren't Catholics works-based? I know it's at least a combination of works and grace. I don't quite have a religious affiliation, but I'd like to believe that being a good person, helping your fellow man, contributing to society in a positive way, and all of that, should be just as importnat as saying "Yeah I believe in God."

In a nutshell, Catholic philosophy is a combination of faith plus good works. This will get you into heaven.

 

In a nutshell, some of your more fundamentalist Protestants believe that faith alone is enough for you to be saved.