Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2004 In a nutshell, some of your more fundamentalist Protestants believe that faith alone is enough for you to be saved. No. Lutherans, for example, are hardly fundamentalists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MD2020 Report post Posted April 7, 2004 In a nutshell, some of your more fundamentalist Protestants believe that faith alone is enough for you to be saved. No. Lutherans, for example, are hardly fundamentalists. My mistake. I was thinking more along the lines of your Jack Chick-type fundamentalists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2004 Bush isn't perfect by any means. He his however the best canidate to fight the War on Terror. That's more important than attempted rules or lawsuites that in the end will go know were and are a big waste of time. Beside the alternative is John Kerry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2004 ...and one more reason not to vote for Bush in November. What other reasons? The FCC clamping down on anything that's not a 1950's sitcom. I know Bush isn't in charge of the FCC, but he put Michael Powell (who I'm sure had a rigorous job interview...) in that spot. The pandering to the religious right and generally adopting a religion-driven agenda. The recent bill he signed protecting the "rights" of unborn children. I see this as the first step to making abortion illegal, which is something I would strongly disagree with. Basically, I think Bush is a Jesus Freak, and I wish he and his fellow Bible thumpers would stop trying to force their fucking beliefs on everyone. Tolerance means that you put up with other belief systems, not that you legislate yours across the board. Hmm? I originally thought that was sarcasm. I always found you as the kind of guy who values foreign and economic policy more than social, as most people do. I guess you just value porn more than the war on nothing. Your choice. Honestly, I don't think he's pandering, I think he honestly feels this way. There's no secret that he's strong about his beliefs, and if he feels that what he's doing is right, than I suppose he will do it. Of course, I'm one of the few on the board that is Pro-life, except in the obvious cases, like rape, incest, endangerment of the mother's life. In fact, didn't GWB say the same thing? Seems reasonable. Either way, it's nice to see someone in CE who isn't so devoted to one particular party and doesn't treat this like some sort of college football game. "GWB WILL WHOOP YOUR ASS COME NOVEMBER....BITCH~!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2004 It's things like this that tear me up in deciding which way to go in the election, as I'm essentially a libertarian (with little L) and therefore tend to side with the lesser of two evils come election time Bush has strong international policy, which is important right now, but I hate this crackdown on all things that the religious right deems unhealthy for us. Kerry, I imagine, would institute more liberal social policy, but I have no reason at this point to trust his potential international policy... I don't see him being Carter II, but I see nothing good coming from it either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2004 As far as I've determined, under Kerry, nothing in Iraq will really change. And I mean "nothing changes" as in what was going on a few months ago, where troops are hanging around and far-left types are saying we need to leave and the government is saying that the Iraqis actually enjoy our presence. I don't mean "nothing changes" as in the Fallujah stuff and rioting we've suddently been seeing. The only real foreign policy difference is more humility towards international powers when it's called for. I figure with Bush, something is going to change drastically. It could just as easily change drastically for the worse as it could change drastically for the better, so it depends on whether you view the glass as half full/empty and how ready you are to gamble with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 8, 2004 Bush isn't perfect by any means. He his however the best canidate to fight the War on Terror. That's more important than attempted rules or lawsuites that in the end will go know were and are a big waste of time. Beside the alternative is John Kerry. Agreed. If not for the war on terror, I can't say I'd support him much at all. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2004 Hmm? I originally thought that was sarcasm. No sarcasm at all. I am not voting for George Bush in November. I'm also not voting for John Kerry, so no one needs to think I've gone completely off the deep end. I always found you as the kind of guy who values foreign and economic policy more than social, as most people do. Often, I do. I'm big on the War on Terror, and I know the economy is recovering. BUt I'm tired of politicians cramming religious agendas down everyone's throat. I don't begrudge anyone their religion until they get in my face and preach. The religious right's morals are not everyone's morals. I don't believe we need to assault popular culture because some washed-up singer from a fucked-up family flashed a mostly-bare boob on TV. I guess you just value porn more than the war on nothing. Your choice. It's not that I value teh pr0n that highly. It's just that I'm tired of the assault on culture. People should be free to make, distribute, and watch porn if they want to. Howard Stern shouldn't have Michael Powell and other FCC lapdogs breathing down his neck. In short, we don't need to become a Puritan society just because the President and Attorney General are Jesus freaks (the latter to a totally ridiculous degree) who have decided to paint popular culture with their moral brush. Honestly, I don't think he's pandering, I think he honestly feels this way Maybe he does. The result is the same either way: he's advancing an agenda they support, and dragging around dead weight at AG so as not to piss them off. Don't we have more important things to worry about than some titties on HBO, Mr. Ashcroft. I was really hoping he'd die when he was hospitalized, but 'twas not to be. Either way, it's nice to see someone in CE who isn't so devoted to one particular party and doesn't treat this like some sort of college football game. I vote Republican because I disagree with most Democrats on basic philosophical grounds. I can't vote Republican in good conscience this time, though. Either I'll find a third-party candidate, or I'll cast a write-in vote for Mickey Mouse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BX 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2004 Mickey Mouse would spend all day on the Mississippi River driving tugboats over defenseless river otters, alligators and river possum... Secondly, he would import various cheeses using the money from social security. Fuck that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anakin Flair 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2004 Ashcroft, a religious man who does not drink alcohol or caffeine, smoke, gamble or dance What did Missouri see in this guy anyway? I don't think Missouri thought much of him...Didn't they elect a dead person over him? Yes we did. And on behalf of all Missourians, I want to appologize to the American people for Ashcroft. He give boring a bad name. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spicy McHaggis 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2004 I know mormons are supposed to avoid "strong drink" which some interpert as caffine... Fun Fact: Mormons can't drink alcohol or caffeine, but they CAN drink Pepsi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest netslob Report post Posted April 8, 2004 I know mormons are supposed to avoid "strong drink" which some interpert as caffine... Fun Fact: Mormons can't drink alcohol or caffeine, but they CAN drink Pepsi. that sounds kind of...DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2004 Mormons are pretty big on that, but they aren't classified as Christians because they are works-based and their theology is . . . well, it's off by alot. Totally different from actual Christian beliefs. I agree with you about Mormon theology disqualifying them from being considered Christians, but aren't Catholics works-based? I know it's at least a combination of works and grace. I don't quite have a religious affiliation, but I'd like to believe that being a good person, helping your fellow man, contributing to society in a positive way, and all of that, should be just as importnat as saying "Yeah I believe in God." In a nutshell, Catholic philosophy is a combination of faith plus good works. This will get you into heaven. In a nutshell, some of your more fundamentalist Protestants believe that faith alone is enough for you to be saved. Hmm, I never thought I'd say this, and my mom's side of the family would be overjoyed to hear it, but I'm digging this facet of Catholicism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2004 I was really hoping he'd die when he was hospitalized, but 'twas not to be. OMG BAN PL.... Oh, hell. Let's let it slide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2004 NSFW Article The article mostly focuses on the Government going after Rob Black and Rob Black makes his opinion known a little to well. This little passage though, it backs up what I posted a while ago. Three years ago, LaRue and her anti-porn colleagues believed George W. Bush and John Ashcroft were the answer to their prayers. Throughout history, vice hunters have blamed the scourge of pornography on various nefarious entities: the French, the Communists, the Mafia, and of course Satan himself. But most recently, an even greater fiend has taken the blame for the current floodtide of filth. "For the eight years during Bill Clinton’s administration, [obscenity] laws were not enforced, and that’s why the sale of obscene pornography became so rampant across the country and on the Internet," charges Citizens for Community Values President Phil Burress. According to Morality in Media’s Peters, federal obscenity prosecutions climaxed at 80 during 1989, then dwindled to six in 2000. "If you want to make certain offenses a priority, you have to make sure that you have the resources to investigate them, and that you have prosecutors who are trained to prosecute them," says Mary Beth Buchanan, who served as an assistant U.S. attorney from 1988 to 2001. "During the Clinton administration, those things were not happening." According to the American Family Association Journal, George W. Bush promised during the 2000 campaign that "his administration would make it a point to enforce obscenity laws." To seal the deal, he even signed a "letter of commitment" after repeated entreaties from the American Family Association. Ashcroft made similar promises in the early days of his tenure, meeting with representatives from more than a dozen anti-pornography groups in May 2001. "We gave him a ton of information and actual evidence as to who the major pornographers were," Phil Burress recalls, "and he seemed determined to do something about it." Then came 9/11. Momentarily, at least, the terrors of the Code Orange Age were deemed a greater threat to the nation’s well-being than pornography. The vice hunters were sympathetic at first, but they’ve grown increasingly restless as the promised prosecutions have failed to materialize in sufficient numbers. The announcement of the Extreme Associates indictment in August pleased them to a certain degree, because while Extreme isn’t a major player in the porn industry, it is the highest-profile producer that the Department of Justice has gone after in more than 10 years. Still, they yearn for a bigger, more ambitious crackdown, one that will put the fear of prosecution into the hearts of every hard-core pornographer, including the most mainstream ones. "I’ve almost done handstands with joy about what’s happening with digital downloading," says Robert Peters, referring to the music industry’s decision to file lawsuits against individuals who engage in unauthorized file sharing. "There’s no way they’re going to stop downloading through law enforcement alone, but it really has sent a phenomenal message. Supposedly, file sharing has been cut by 50 percent. So a relatively little law enforcement could go a long way." and for a fun touch, heres a picture of John Ashcroft made entirely of porn... John Ashcroft (NSFW) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Wow, that's a lot of ass shots for ashcroft's cheeks. And I don't want to know what his hair is made up of... I predict the war on porn will go as well as the war on beer, the war on drugs, and the war on prostitution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Wow, that's a lot of ass shots for ashcroft's cheeks. And I don't want to know what his hair is made up of... I predict the war on porn will go as well as the war on beer, the war on drugs, and the war on prostitution. The point of this bump is...? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 well, since its up here any way, this whole AIDS~! scare should really help their cause. Although, 4-5 people catching the disease in the past 6 years in a profession that requires protectionless sex is pretty good. Not good that they got Aids...good that...well...you get what I am saying. *goes to watch porn* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
