For those that didn't order Backlash

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Hope you have a good pop-up killer. Either way you can watch a clip of Orton paying his dues.

 

Here ya go

[BX 0]

HUSH HERATIC!

 

WE HATES ORTON, WE HATES HIM AND HIS NASTY RKOS. HE CAN KEEP NASTY RKOS.

 

Where be my precious Chris Benoit jelly masturbator?

[TheBigSwigg 0]

Thanks man, I didn't get to see it last night and that was great. I think that's the best footage of the year.

[Guest Deviant]

"Paying your dues" = One sick bump? Uh, ok, did I miss a meeting?

 

However, that is one ballsy bump. If Foley had done that much for my career, I'd jump into thumbtacks in the blowoff too. Good for Orton for doing it.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

HUSH HERATIC!

 

WE HATES ORTON, WE HATES HIM AND HIS NASTY RKOS. HE CAN KEEP NASTY RKOS.

 

Where be my precious Chris Benoit jelly masturbator?

I love you in a non-ghey way BX, I really do.

 

I think the whole concept of "Paying dues" is more than a little out of date. Nowadays we don't have the vast territory system that there once was which means that there really isn't many oppurtunities for wrestlers to pay their dues in America.

 

You can travel to Japan and Mexico of course but not everyone can afford that much less get owrk visas for it.

 

So you get guys like Orton, Benjamin, Cena, etc. who didn't spend years wrestling in high school gyms in front of 15 fans for shit money. They spend some time in the idnies then get a development contract.

 

It's unfortunte because the territory system helped round out the younger wrestlers skills.

[muzz 0]

Heh, I love his reaction to it, simply frozen as he looks at them all.

[Adam 0]

Well, I certainly agree that it was an awesome bump. He took it like a man, and earnt a little of my respect, but still, I'm not going to turn into the World's biggest Orton fan on the strength of one match, with an opponent that it in his element. Sure, hats off to Orton, but when he starts putting on great matches all the time, THATs when I will respect him as a Main Eventer.

[DangerousDamon 0]

HUSH HERATIC!

 

WE HATES ORTON, WE HATES HIM AND HIS NASTY RKOS. HE CAN KEEP NASTY RKOS.

 

Where be my precious Chris Benoit jelly masturbator?

I love you in a non-ghey way BX, I really do.

 

I think the whole concept of "Paying dues" is more than a little out of date. Nowadays we don't have the vast territory system that there once was which means that there really isn't many oppurtunities for wrestlers to pay their dues in America.

 

You can travel to Japan and Mexico of course but not everyone can afford that much less get owrk visas for it.

 

So you get guys like Orton, Benjamin, Cena, etc. who didn't spend years wrestling in high school gyms in front of 15 fans for shit money. They spend some time in the idnies then get a development contract.

 

It's unfortunte because the territory system helped round out the younger wrestlers skills.

Well techinically, Shelton Benjamin did wrestle in high school gyms. I mean he's only an AMATEUR wrestler.

[humongous2002 0]

Orton did a great job last night and i will give him his props but i still don't see him as world championship material just like Edge.

[dubq 0]

What, getting thrown onto thumbtacks is paying your dues? Riiight.

[notJames 0]

Well, I certainly agree that it was an awesome bump. He took it like a man, and earnt a little of my respect, but still, I'm not going to turn into the World's biggest Orton fan on the strength of one match, with an opponent that it in his element. Sure, hats off to Orton, but when he starts putting on great matches all the time, THATs when I will respect him as a Main Eventer.

Hear hear. One match out of a thousand isn't going to really change a lot of opinions, crazy stunts or not. It's not like he's Shane McMahon or something.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

Link ain't working for me... can someone make it into an avatar or something so I can see it on here?

[Guest Brian]

Orton's work has been improving for quite a while. Everyone's been overly clouded with hate to notice.

[2GOLD 0]

I never cared about his work.

I just find him to be an uncharismatic little loser who I don't care about and will never like because he's a bigger waste of space than Lex Luger.

 

Orton could sent himself on fire in a match and fall into a pool of broken glass, I still won't like him.

 

I don't hate him as a human, but as a wrestler I'd rather he was on Sunday Night Heat where he belongs with Garrison Cade.

[Guest Nater]

If Orton set himself on fire and fell into a pool of broken glass... I'd send flowers to the funeral.

 

Now that he put himself through some punishment, he should maybe start learning how to wrestle.

[Placebo Effect 0]

Man, those of you who are acting as if a thumbtack bump is super hardcore are fucking crazy. While it certainly does hurt, it looks worst than it is. That's why CZW was able to do their One Million Thumbtack Match at COD 5.

 

Supreme of XPW, who fucking sucked minus his ability to take stupid bumps, used to have the damn things sticking out of his bald head at the end of matches, and an hour later, out with the fans hanging out.

[snuffbox 0]

Heres a guy with, presumably, a long lucrative contract with the WWE....and he knows hes being pushed big....

 

But in a match hyped as 'hardcore'....he delivered....

 

Orton took bumps he didnt really have to....and in doing so, he showed how far he is willing to go to entertain the fans and respect the veteran in the ring with him.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Orton's work has been improving for quite a while. Everyone's been overly clouded with hate to notice.

I attribute it to facing a better class of worker, like HHH, then him actually making huge strides in the ring.

[Guest Trivia247]

How is Foley sacrificing himself yet again to get someone over....pays Orton's Dues?

[NYU 0]

How is Foley sacrificing himself yet again to get someone over....pays Orton's Dues?

Perhaps it was Orton flying shirtless into a pile of thumbtacks...

 

.....or getting thrown off the stage through a table.....

 

.....or doing a great blade-job.....

 

.....or getting his ass kicked throughout the match.....

 

.....all while selling some actual FEAR of Mick Foley and the punishment he could have planned for him.....

 

......

 

.....but then again, that could have all been an illusion. And you could just disregard the hard work and physical sacrifices Orton made in the biggest match of his career thus far.

[justsoyouknow 0]

Damn...that shit gave me goosebumps.

 

It was a nice bump, and those of you that still want to say that Orton isn't over, you clearly didn't watch Raw and see his reaction. There was actually a "Randy" chant going at one point. Orton is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters on Raw every week.

[Guest Trivia247]

How is Foley sacrificing himself yet again to get someone over....pays Orton's Dues?

Perhaps it was Orton flying shirtless into a pile of thumbtacks...

 

.....or getting thrown off the stage through a table.....

 

.....or doing a great blade-job.....

 

.....or getting his ass kicked throughout the match.....

 

.....all while selling some actual FEAR of Mick Foley and the punishment he could have planned for him.....

 

......

 

.....but then again, that could have all been an illusion. And you could just disregard the hard work and physical sacrifices Orton made in the biggest match of his career thus far.

And still getting his precious win after all that and can gloat about it the next day. Oh Give him a bandaide for the booboos

[justsoyouknow 0]

I'd pay to see Trivia take some of those bumps.

[Guest Trivia247]

I'd pay to see Trivia take some of those bumps.

If I took bumps I wouldn't be back on the next day to brag about it.

 

Lets not discredit what it was, it was a Awesome match that Orton did a good job putting himself and Foley through. It was hellish scale for him. And he did a very good job in not avoiding alot of the stuff most other Main event wrestlers wouldn't do. How many times have you seen HHH take thumbtacks to the back? Maybe a knee or hands but not a whole back.

 

But lets not be deillusional and call a match given to orton to get him over and therefore Main event calibur...Paying dues... Paying Dues is when you are bottom rung working your way up to make it. Orton from the start of the WWF TV career was only low carding what a few months before injurying himself doing the RNN Promos and suddenly got himself in a Stable with HHH thereby guranteeing him a run as "A Legend Killer" Thats pushing someone hot and heavy without regard wheither or not he can deliever. Its not blind hatred that I think anyone here questions Ortons rise.

[NYU 0]

How is Foley sacrificing himself yet again to get someone over....pays Orton's Dues?

Perhaps it was Orton flying shirtless into a pile of thumbtacks...

 

.....or getting thrown off the stage through a table.....

 

.....or doing a great blade-job.....

 

.....or getting his ass kicked throughout the match.....

 

.....all while selling some actual FEAR of Mick Foley and the punishment he could have planned for him.....

 

......

 

.....but then again, that could have all been an illusion. And you could just disregard the hard work and physical sacrifices Orton made in the biggest match of his career thus far.

And still getting his precious win after all that and can gloat about it the next day. Oh Give him a bandaide for the booboos

What an absolutely terrible point. There was no other LOGICAL way to end that feud without Orton going over. And Randy, knowing that he was going to be coming out victorious at the culmination of the feud, still decided to take the bumps that he did. He did it to increase the quality of the match, and to make Foley look like he's still a badass.

 

Just because he went over in a feud - a feud that the WRITERS decided who won and a feud that he obviously SHOULD have went over in anyway - doesn't take anything away from the bumps he took in that match.

 

There really comes a point that people have to put personal preferences aside and just recognize a wrestler for doing a good job in a match. Regardless of whether or not you like Orton, he should still get credit for taking the bumps he took - bumps that Vince probably tried to talk him out of, but he wanted to do it for the benefit of the feud. But no, instead, we can make asinine comments like "Oh Give him a bandaide for the booboos".

[Brett Favre 0]

Then what's the point. I sure as hell would, and then dare someone to do it.

[justsoyouknow 0]

Well, considering the amount that he was bandaged and the fact that you could see the stitches, plus the fact that he kept selling pain with every step that he took, I'm pretty sure he wasn't acting like a hardass.

 

All he said was that he took it all and came out on top. It's not like he said, "Fuck you, Foley, you ain't shit, and none of the bumps I took hurt." He was selling the injuries...what the fuck do you want him to do? Take a couple weeks off and come back when he's healed? That makes him seem weaker in comparison. The fact that he lived through what Foley could dish out and then came back the next night, visibly in pain, is clearly an attempt to put him over as a legit threat.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Just quoting since Reply won't work.

 

 

As a previous Orton-hater, and #1 joker behind Anglesault, I have to say Orton impressed me. Why? Because he took a bump? No.

 

1.) Of course, the fucking crazy bump onto tacks. A Guy in a speedo taking a full thrown bump onto thousands of tacks is jsut nasty. Last I checked, Cactus did them with clothes on, and didn't take the bump in this match

 

2.) He pretty much kept the pace of the match going. Foley being retired for 4 years meant lots of ring rust, and you could see the times when the match slowed down he was ctaching is breath. Orton at least tried holding it together.

 

3.) Orton isn't known for blading, but the one he did on Backlash was very good. By the end of the 20 minutes, it had dried up, but for only his second known blade job ever in WWE, it added a nice effect.

 

4.) Even more bumping, by being thrown off the stage and almost MISSING the target. I'm surprised he didn't land on the part that props up the....whatever.

 

5.) Foley didn't really do shit besides the bump onto the fake barbed wire maknig Orton look that much better.

 

6.) Orton was OVER. I don't wanna hear the bullshit "damn the crowds dead". On RAW, the crowd actually sounded PRO-Orton now and then, and were active throughout his entrance and SOLO promo.

 

 

Now, sure, one match means nothing, but he changed my look about him. He proved he will do what it takes to get over and put on a good match, and it all worked.

[justsoyouknow 0]

That was a nice edit there, Trivia. Way to make it look like you weren't trying to discredit him.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

*sees massive amounts of stupidity on Trivia's part*

 

Now I can see why they call you an idiot. That'll teach me to start a thread in the WWE folder though.