Is there a worse finisher than the Spear

[Guest Trivia247]

Nothing wrong with a kick to the head, as long as it looks good. A proper nasty martial arts kick, or a good Yakuza Kick both look brutal.

 

While in theory any finish is nasty if it's put over as such, there is still that case of looks. The Western Lariat is just a Lariat, but you couldn't pay me to stand in the way of one.

 

Good looking, well executed moves will generally be more impressive. But anything can be impressive in the right context. If the Powerbomb and the DVD are the most brutal devisating moves used in a fed, a Running DDT is going to look pretty good. If you're in a fed with a million and one head drops for finishers, it's a different think.

 

Thats assuming all those moves have the same level of executing and stiffness.

After that, if you get a move over, with the right bumping/selling and effects, it'll look better.

Knew the Mighty Dace was to show up sooner or later, a discussion on movesets does awaken the Master and summon him.

 

Welcome

 

And he has a great point. Look at say neckbreakers and DDT's

neckbreakers from say Hurricane HHH etc they look nice for a mid level move but it doesn't look like they could do Finisher style damage.... Whereas you get a Rick Rude alla 1989 who would wind you up slowly...then SNAP you down, that looked violent....

 

Then there is a DDT, now everyone and their grandmother does a DDT...However when Jake did it, it seemed much more violent than the DDT that Maybe a Spike dudley does to break an opponents momentum..

 

Its the showmanship of both the guy doing the move and how its sold.

 

Christ people who just watch WWE all their lives would think.

Man that Tombstone is one dangerous move, that must have always been a finisher...

 

Then you see some Puro... and see the Cruiserweights Using Tombstones like WWF wrestlers would use Bodyslams to set up Top rope Moves.

[Guest Quik]

Has anyone mentioned the heart punch yet? That move blew all sorts of ass.

 

Edit: Oh yeah, WWE today.

 

How 'bout the Stratusfaction?

[Dace59 0]

That dose pretty much sum it up. What you have to before, is just as there is kayfabe in wrestling, there is kayfabe for the moves.

 

Different fed use different ones for differnet moves. Like the Tombstone example above. It's just a case of making that kayfabe soild and well working.

[Guest Stunt Granny]

I always thought The Rock Bottom was pretty weak, what makes it hurt more than anyother kind of slam?

 

And I remember in the WWF Attiude video game several years ago Val Venis' leg submission was called the Porno Pretzel, thats a money name right there.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I knew as soon as Edge connected rather awkardly with the spear at the end of the ME last night that SOMEONE would start a thread saying that the move was the dumbest one ever or something, and I knew it'd be AS, since it's something that happened once, like when Orton did a weird lingering low blow and suddenly "can't even do a low blow properly!"

 

Jesus, get over it, people. There are and will forever be lamer finishers. I'm sure someone's mentioned the Heart Punch by now.

[Guest Trivia247]

I always thought The Rock Bottom was pretty weak, what makes it hurt more than anyother kind of slam?

 

And I remember in the WWF Attiude video game several years ago Val Venis' leg submission was called the Porno Pretzel, thats a money name right there.

Actually its funny the Rock bottom is like the simple version of that move. Its like a body clutch slam, similar I believe to a Sambo suplex. But I've seen some who do that move (Even Yokozuna) Who grabs the opponent and Make 1/4 turn as he lifts him then Drops him. Rock just lifts and drops forward.

[Dace59 0]

It's not that hard to do a Spear right. And if Edge can't make it look crisp and good, why do it. Leave it to someone else, but still have it sold and put over as a big move.

 

Rock might not always do the best Rock Bottom, but it's been put over and sold as big for years and at least looks good from him most of the time.

 

It's just a slam version of a Sambo Suplex, which itself is a) a watered down move from the martial art and b) a warterd down version of Hase's Uranage.

[Guest Trivia247]

then again Rock usually uses this decent enough Finisher....as a SETUP for his overplayed peoples elbow.

[notJames 0]

Considering how often we've seen this move as of late, I would nominate the Heel Roll-Up With Tights. I remember seeing this move three matches in a row on one of the shows. Unforgiveable.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

I always thought the fame-asser was a lame finisher...

 

How about Torrie's swinging neckbreaker. Enough said.

[Guest What_ever]

When will someone with some kind of power let Edge know that the Spear is a stupid idea for a finisher to begin with, let alone for someone with his build and the way he connects?

 

Everyone who jobs to that crappy move looks like a total loser jackass. Someone needs to remove the Spear from Edge's finisher lit.

Olympic Slam was quite a pussy finisher. Looks almost as weak as Cena's non-falling down F-U.

 

~I's be yo' mamma.

[King Cucaracha 0]

The Olympic Slam? That was always a great finisher when sold properly, even in the early days of Angle. Same for the Fame-Asser, which again was pretty good when sold properly...

 

Which was basically Dace's point, which I agree with. Same with Trivia's. People bitch about RVD losing to DDT's now...yet it used to be a feared finisher. A lot of the credibility in finishers is in how they're built.

 

ROH for example. You have matches where two guys are hitting 6 or 7 different head-drop variations on each other and coming up with different moves each week...you can't really end a match like that with say a superkick. It depends on the company.

 

 

Saying that, Edge's Spear blows goats.

[Ripper 0]

Cenas body slam is really getting on my nerves. He is doing a freaking firemans carry now.

[humongous2002 0]

The FU is suppose to be a DVD but Cena makes it look like a fireman carry, no wonder Cena is turning very stale.

[Guest Anglesault]

I knew as soon as Edge connected rather awkardly with the spear at the end of the ME last night that SOMEONE would start a thread saying that the move was the dumbest one ever or something,

Edge's spear has never, ever looked like something that could put someone down. It has always been bad.

 

and I knew it'd be AS, since it's something that happened once, like when Orton did a weird lingering low blow and suddenly "can't even do a low blow properly!"

When Orton tried to kick Foley in the balls and somehow tripped?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I don't really MIND Edge's spear...

 

But since Kanyon's no longer part of the company, would it REALLY be too hard for him to go back to the Downward Spiral?

[Guest Anglesault]

That's not a great finisher either.

[Silence 0]

But since Kanyon's no longer part of the company, would it REALLY be too hard for him to go back to the Downward Spiral?

Sadly enough, Orlando Jordan, who beat Kanyon so many times for some stupid reason before he was released, is now using Kanyon's Flatliner as his finisher on Velocity. Is WWE trying to rub salt into Kanyon's wounds?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

But since Kanyon's no longer part of the company, would it REALLY be too hard for him to go back to the Downward Spiral?

Sadly enough, Orlando Jordan, who beat Kanyon so many times for some stupid reason before he was released, is now using Kanyon's Flatliner as his finisher on Velocity. Is WWE trying to rub salt into Kanyon's wounds?

Huh...interesting.

 

At least we know he's trying a new thing.

[Guest Stunt Granny]

I remember Jericho using The Stroke (i don't know the proper name) as his finisher in 2001 and that was totally weak.

 

And it alwayes bothered me when wrestler a would do a top rop move to wrestler b and then roll around the mat in paon afterwards unable to capitalize, Benoit, RVD and Jeff Hardy are notorious for this.

[Brett Favre 0]

I remember Jericho using The Stroke (i don't know the proper name) as his finisher in 2001 and that was totally weak.

The Breakdown. I think it was a full-nelson face drop.

 

As for weak finishers...how about the Hogan Leg Drop?

[CanadianChick 0]

I remember Jericho using The Stroke (i don't know the proper name) as his finisher in 2001 and that was totally weak.

 

And it alwayes bothered me when wrestler a would do a top rop move to wrestler b and then roll around the mat in paon afterwards unable to capitalize, Benoit, RVD and Jeff Hardy are notorious for this.

Why would that bother you? To me, it makes it seem like the move has more impact. And it's the one time in the match RVD sells.

 

Oh, and I would rather Edge use the Edgecution or the Edgecuter as finishers. The spear would be a good 'desperation' move though. Better than a clothesline or the over-used DDT.

[Mearl267 0]

I really don't have a problem with Edge using the spear. I mean yeah, I'd rather it be a set up move, or a quick pop move, not his finisher...but so beat it. It fits his gimmick pretty well, so he can run with it for the time being.

 

At the moment, the worse finsher in the WWE is Booker T's little scissors kick thing. It really makes the person recieving it look retarded.

[DCMaximo 0]

The only problem with the ax kick is that the opponent should actually have a reason to be bent over for a sufficent period of time to allow Booker to hit the ax kick. I've always thought the set up, especially when Booker is a heel, should be a kick to the groin- now THATS a reason to stay doubled over.

[Mearl267 0]

The only problem with the ax kick is that the opponent should actually have a reason to be bent over for a sufficent period of time to allow Booker to hit the ax kick. I've always thought the set up, especially when Booker is a heel, should be a kick to the groin- now THATS a reason to stay doubled over.

That's exactly the problem with it. The person is like, just bent over for a good 5 seconds...then Book runs off the rope...right then and there the dude bent over SHOULDN'T be bent over anymore. Well, logically. Not by the WWE logic though. Plus, it's a weak finisher anyways.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

As for weak finishers...how about the Hogan Leg Drop?

I mentioned this before when Hogan was with the company, but I'll mention it again.

 

The Legdrop alone is NOT Hogan's finisher.

 

Hogan's finisher is the longest one in the company: the entire sequence of Hulk Up, 3 punches, Big Boot, THEN the Legdrop.

 

Sometimes he's had to vary it though with bigger guys by adding the body slam.

[DangerousDamon 0]

I thought Booker T had been using the BookEnd.

 

Oh well.

 

 

 

He could always go back to the Sidwalk Slam or the HeatSeeker.

[Mearl267 0]

I thought Booker T had been using the BookEnd.

 

Oh well.

 

 

 

He could always go back to the Sidwalk Slam or the HeatSeeker.

You say Bookend like it's THAT much better. Both are weak as fuck. The heatseeker was pretty cool though. I wouldn't mind seeing him go back to that, but not as a heel.

[Brett Favre 0]

As for weak finishers...how about the Hogan Leg Drop?

I mentioned this before when Hogan was with the company, but I'll mention it again.

 

The Legdrop alone is NOT Hogan's finisher.

 

Hogan's finisher is the longest one in the company: the entire sequence of Hulk Up, 3 punches, Big Boot, THEN the Legdrop.

 

Sometimes he's had to vary it though with bigger guys by adding the body slam.

Forgot the "Point of Doom".

 

Hey, does Hogan have five moves of doom? 1) Hulk Up 2) The Finger Point Of Doom 3) 3 Punches 4) Big Boot 5) Leg Drop.

[Golgo 13 0]

I remember Jericho using The Stroke (i don't know the proper name) as his finisher in 2001 and that was totally weak.

The Breakdown. I think it was a full-nelson face drop.

Yeah.

 

FYI, the Breakdown and the Stroke are not the same thing, though both end the same way regardless.

 

Breakdown: full nelson face first russian legsweep.

The Stroke: hold nearest arm in front of you, grab head, then hit the face first russian legsweep.

 

Though I agree that neither should be used for the three.