Disney blocks "Fahrenheit 9/11"

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

It this doesn't have to do with money, then Disney is poorly run.

And KKK, as per your statement. Yes BFC made money, but if you could have invested the money that went to that and earn a higher return elsewhere, wouldn't you go for the higher return.

Yeah, like "Home on the Range."

 

Gag -- I'm defending Mikey. I feel so dirty.

 

The movie isn't as much pro-gun control rhetoric as it is a study on why we have such a violent culture. On that basis, it's worth you give it a look.

 

Perhaps Mikey should do one on America's obesity epidemic.

 

There, now I feel better...

[2GOLD 0]

I think we have such a violent culture because of people like Michael Moore.

 

Every time I see him, I just have the urge to kill.

[Guest thebigjig]

Why doesn't Mikey just admit that he hates America already? I'm sure that would get him all the pub he so desperately craves...

So... not agreeing with Dubyah and questioning our gun problem in America = unpatriotic?

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Why doesn't Mikey just admit that he hates America already? I'm sure that would get him all the pub he so desperately craves...

So... not agreeing with Dubyah and questioning our gun problem in America = unpatriotic?

What the?

 

No~!

 

He bashed America during the Clinton years too. When you distort as much as he does, something's wrong. It's fanatical. I'm not amazed though that he seems to have good support here. Why? When I was young, I was into Moore.

 

Then I grew up.

[Nighthawk 0]

Michael Moore is entertaining, if nothing else. You don't have to buy into his politics to support him. Like, personally, I think Bowling For Columbine is pretty great, and I own a couple guns myself.

[Guest thebigjig]

Why doesn't Mikey just admit that he hates America already? I'm sure that would get him all the pub he so desperately craves...

So... not agreeing with Dubyah and questioning our gun problem in America = unpatriotic?

What the?

 

No~!

 

He bashed America during the Clinton years too. When you distort as much as he does, something's wrong. It's fanatical. I'm not amazed though that he seems to have good support here. Why? When I was young, I was into Moore.

 

Then I grew up.

I bash America too... you can point out the problems and love the country at the same time. Blind patriotism is the most annoying trait I can think of anyone to have

 

I agree that Moore is fanatical though, and I dont buy into everything he says. However, alot of the shit he spews has, at its base, some logic... it's just a matter of seperating the logic from the partisan junk

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I'm not amazed though that he seems to have good support here. Why? When I was young, I was into Moore.

 

Then I grew up.

Really?

 

I sense more anti-Mikey people here than pro-Mikey.

 

At my last job some woman was saying how great BFC was. Then I laughed at her...

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Perhaps Mikey should do one on America's obesity epidemic.

 

There, now I feel better...

I for one think that would be great! Moore spends a week eating at McDonald's, doesn't get any bigger (noticably anyway), and concludes that greasy fast food is not that bad for you.

 

Actually it raises an interesting question: does Moore approach it from a negative angle because it involves his hated "big corporations", or from a positive one because it involves his beloved "junk food"?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Oh, that's easy.

 

He'll go negative, especially since McDonald's will do away with super-sized portions next year...

[AlwaysPissedOff 0]

I agree that Moore is fanatical though, and I dont buy into everything he says. However, alot of the shit he spews has, at its base, some logic... it's just a matter of seperating the logic from the partisan junk

I'd say parroting that guns are bad and they shouldn't be easy to get a hold of is more common sense than just misunderstood Moore logic...

 

And personally, after reading that blog that was posted in CE, I'm wholely convinced that he doesn't like this country or the soldiers that fight and die for it. I'm sure that'll be considered "blind patriotism, " but I don't give a fuck. He's in this to make money and be a big name, not because he cares about what happens to anyone else but him.

[Si82 0]

I think that it's pathetic that a documentary is censored in this way so that the house of mouse can save a few bucks in tax breaks.

 

Because that's the ONLY possible reason...

Well OK, it's probably not the only reason I'll admit.

 

I hope that this doen't effect the overseas distribution in any way.

 

"Overseas rights have been sold to a number of companies, executives said."

I know that, I just wonder if this may effect there decisions that's all.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

and I dont care what any of you say, Bowling for Columbine was amazing

Whoa, man. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal, and *I* had difficulty sitting through Bowling.

 

That K-Mart scene, good deed or no, pissed me off to no end. The kids didn't look nearly as enthusiastic about their crusade as Moore was, and it hit me in the head like a brick how blatantly he was using them for his own interest.

 

Now if you'll excuse me, a plane just flew low over my house and landed somewhere within a nearby block. Ashcroft must be onto me.

[converge241 0]

Hello Lion's Gate (or another studio of the same ilk to pick it up)

 

I am a big fan of Moore's work BUT not most of his ideas/ideals i disagree strongly with most of his sentiments but can enjoy the films/shows/books highly on an entertainment/interest level

[bobobrazil1984 0]

the timing of this announcement is quite interesting, considering the film's about to come out on Cannes. This will only help Moore's film when it does get a new distributer.

[Anakin Flair 0]

ANY form of censorship is bad. Let it be released and let the people decide what they think about it.

[Guest Flyboy]

And Disney is a bunch of cunts that why I have a problem with them

Never thought I'd see the day when Ripper says he has a problem with the vaginas.

 

Homo...

That was a typo.

 

I meant they are a bunch of tuncs.

And Ripper don't like no tuncs.

I don't know why --- but this made me laugh my BUTT off.

You're not the only one.

[Betty Houle 0]

Michael Moore is entertaining, if nothing else. You don't have to buy into his politics to support him.

To quote Jesse Ventura, "That's the first truth you've said in four weeks!"

 

He is entertaining! Fuck, even if you don't agree with him, BOWLING FOR COULMBINE, ROGER AND ME, THE BIG ONE, and parts of THE AWFUL TRUTH are damn entertaining! I own them all! I sometimes agree with Moore and almost always am almost always entertained by him.

 

And you don't have to buy into politics to support him. He has a right to say what he says and a right to do what he does.

[Betty Houle 0]

the timing of this announcement is quite interesting, considering the film's about to come out on Cannes. This will only help Moore's film when it does get a new distributer.

I have a feeling that this movie will just feed off the additional controversy and be huge.

 

No one can deny his popularity either. His books are best-sellers and his movies are hits.

[Si82 0]

ANY form of censorship is bad. Let it be released and let the people decide what they think about it.

Exactly.

 

The film should be released and people able to make up their own minds as apposed to being told what they can and cannot watch. Rather than Disney just saying no to releasing it.

[Guest Razor Roman]

Ok... here's the deal with Disney and Florida

 

Walt Disney got unprecedented deals with Florida when he started contstruction on Walt Disney World - they wanted a big tourist thing to bring in mad money and Walt Wanted to build one - so Disney has about 44 square miles in Central Florida where they can do ANYTHING they want - there are no zoning laws, no taxes, no nothing. Disney provides its own government! They don't want to piss off Jeb by releasing this film.

 

That's a Smart business move.

 

It's only censorship if the GOVERNMENT does it. Just like Mikey Moore has the right to make an idiotic film, Mikey Eisner has the right to say "it shall not be released by Disney". Some other company will pick it up and release it anyway. They never said it couldn't be released...just that Mirimax won't release it.

 

If Eisner (who I am pretty sure is fairly liberal.... the conservative one was Roy Disney (who got in trouble by Eisner for telling a GOP group that Mickey Mouse was a Republican) ) said "Hey tubby, nice movie. Too bad I own it and now I am burning the negative!" everyone could cry foul. But that's not what happened. They're passing off a hot potato. Just like Mirimax did with the Kevin Smith flick, "Dogma" which still came out.

[Vyce 0]

And you don't have to buy into politics to support him. He has a right to say what he says and a right to do what he does.

Yes.

 

As does Disney having the right to decide not to distribute his film.

 

I just find it amusing how some people (not you, specifically) seem to be able to grasp the one part of that equation, but not the other.

[Betty Houle 0]

And you don't have to buy into politics to support him. He has a right to say what he says and a right to do what he does.

Yes.

 

As does Disney having the right to decide not to distribute his film.

Absolutely. It's low and cowardly on their part but it's certainly within their rights.

 

And someone else will pick it up and distribute it.

 

In the end, this will end up creating plenty of publicity for the film, in fact!

[Guest Crazy Dan]

I will admit that I do like Moore better than others on this board. Not that I believe everything that comes out of his mouth, heck no. But I think he is pretty funny in some of his crazy theories. And at least in his book he will list his sources.

 

At the same time, I do believe that his movie should be released. Even though most will already to give it a 'BIG THUMBS DOWN, and getting their sources ready so that they will prove him wrong, the movie should be released. For that is what America is all about. The right to express your opinions and make the movies you want to. The hypocritical thing is, if this was a Pro-Bush movie, then Disney would release it, IMO. Regardless if you like Moore, or think he is a fat, slob, college drop out, who has no idea what the hell he is talking about, he still should have his voice heard. And who knows, Moore might find some facts that we were not told of, or it might just plain be false. Let the public decide. Plus, this movie will make some money, and Disney needs all the help it can. And if you hate Moore, don't watch the movie. I liked Bowling for Columbine and Roger and Me, so I am interested to see what he does next to piss off the masses next.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I agree that Moore is fanatical though, and I dont buy into everything he says. However, alot of the shit he spews has, at its base, some logic... it's just a matter of seperating the logic from the partisan junk

Actually, every now and then, he asks some good questions.

 

However, he never provides answers or provides wrong ones. BFC said that pop culture like shooter games and Marilyn Manson can't be blamed for school violence, but that we've somehow created a culture of violence in America that's killing people.

 

 

So, uh, we have a cultural problem, but culture is not to blame?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Hello Lion's Gate (or another studio of the same ilk to pick it up)

Disney isn't selling it to another studio. They're just simply closing the lid on the whole thing and putting it up on the shelf where it won't be seen by public eyes.

 

Having followed Disney for so many years, they haven't really played politics since the Cold War, when Walt bought into McCarthyism. Eisner is money-focused, which is why it's weird that this isn't being sold around to the other studios.

 

The only time they usually quietly pull the plug on a project and eat the cost associated with it is animation projects.

[Betty Houle 0]

Hello Lion's Gate (or another studio of the same ilk to pick it up)

Disney isn't selling it to another studio. They're just simply closing the lid on the whole thing and putting it up on the shelf where it won't be seen by public eyes.

I doubt this will stay this way though.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

They don't want to piss off Jeb by releasing this film.

But they wouldn't have released Bowling then?

 

If Eisner (who I am pretty sure is fairly liberal....

 

Eisner donated a grand to George W Bush's campaign in 2000, although he also donated to Clinton in 96.

 

But that's not what happened. They're passing off a hot potato.

 

You sure?

[Guest Razor Roman]

My understanding of the situation was that

 

Disney was not going to distribute the film, meaning they could sell it to someone else to distribute.

 

not that Disney was locking the film away for all time (like Song of the South :-) )

 

And I suppose Eisner's donation to Bush could just be him making nice with Bush because of my previously mentioned Florida reasons.

 

 

Bowling for Columbine was released by MGM/United Artists not Disney - and besides, Anti-Gun and Anti-Right Wing is not the same thing as saying the BUSH family is somehow in bed with OSAMA BIN LADEN. So even if they did release "Bowling..." I don't see how it would piss off the Bushes... there's a difference between politics and personal, and (although I haven't seen the film) it appears as if this film lands squarely in the "personal" arena.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

It this doesn't have to do with money, then Disney is poorly run.

And KKK, as per your statement. Yes BFC made money, but if you could have invested the money that went to that and earn a higher return elsewhere, wouldn't you go for the higher return.

 

I'm just saying that before we go looking for malicious motives we can't prove because we can't pry open their heads and look inside, lets look at observable stuff.

 

And, if Disney's decision isn't based on comparative profit opportunities but on emotions and whims...then now would be a good time to short their stock...

 

But I don't think that's the case.

 

Rip...It is tough for your case to hold water when you're attributing a personal motive to their action. Simply put, such personal motives are unverifiable and not falsifiable, so that doesn't make for good theory.

I wouldn't say that. Disney's still raking in money hand over fist..what's a few thousand sunk into a Mikey Moore movie?

 

Personal motives might not be something one can prove, but that doesn't mean they don't come into play... The company is run by people, and not machines afterall..

 

Besides, the entertainment industry isn't something that's as easily predicted as say, the price of oil or another commodity one can invest in. A movie's either a hit, does ok, or tanks, and THAT is something that relies solely on the consumer's personal motives. If a company thought only with their pocketbook and not with their heads, they'd sink. Disney's successful because they're a trusted name, not because they've got good accountants.

[Vyce 0]

And you don't have to buy into politics to support him. He has a right to say what he says and a right to do what he does.

Yes.

 

As does Disney having the right to decide not to distribute his film.

Absolutely. It's low and cowardly on their part but it's certainly within their rights.

Pray tell, exactly HOW is this "low and cowardly"?