What are the causes of prisoner abuse in Iraq?

[Guest hunger4unger]

The Iraqi prisioners didn't cause 9/11 though. Bin Laden did. It's not right to take out your frustrations on them for that.

"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."- President George W. Bush.

Al Queda and Bin Laden and 911 had NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with Iraq OR Saddam. No Al Queda cells in Iraq. No training camps. No funding. Sadddam and Bin Laden don't even KNOW each other.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

The Iraqi prisioners didn't cause 9/11 though. Bin Laden did. It's not right to take out your frustrations on them for that.

"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."- President George W. Bush.

Al Queda and Bin Laden and 911 had NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with Iraq OR Saddam. No Al Queda cells in Iraq. No training camps. No funding. Sadddam and Bin Laden don't even KNOW each other.

You've got to be joking.

[Guest hunger4unger]

The Iraqi prisioners didn't cause 9/11 though. Bin Laden did. It's not right to take out your frustrations on them for that.

"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."- President George W. Bush.

Al Queda and Bin Laden and 911 had NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with Iraq OR Saddam. No Al Queda cells in Iraq. No training camps. No funding. Sadddam and Bin Laden don't even KNOW each other.

You've got to be joking.

Uh..you seriously believe that Saddam's Iraq was in cahoots with Bin Laden? Even the Bush administration now admit that wasn't the case.

[Guest hunger4unger]

Quickly something i've observed: all of the accused torturers are white. Is it simply a case that white people vastly out number ethnic groups in the US forces so therfore statistically it is more likely that the torturers would be white or is it a case that the abuse is also racially motivated? Obviously the full details and scale of the abuse isnt out yet but at the moment, quick thoughts?

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Dubwiser,

 

That's a way too personal attack in the CE folder. Things get heated, bu there's no reason for that

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Quickly something i've observed: all of the accused torturers are white. Is it simply a case that white people vastly out number ethnic groups in the US forces so therfore statistically it is more likely that the torturers would be white or is it a case that the abuse is also racially motivated? Obviously the full details and scale of the abuse isnt out yet but at the moment, quick thoughts?

Umm, most of the American population is white, so therefore I'd assume most of the AF is white, and thereby it would make sense that those pictured are primarily right.

 

I love stats

[Guest MikeSC]

Just for the sake of conversation, would one be wrong in assuming that "Cancer Marney" will be putting her "textbook perfect set of pearly-whites", "thesis", and "silk pajamas/ralph lauren" on the line and shipping over to Iraq anytime soon?

 

She might actually get in on a little action. You know...help round up some "subhuman pigs", "shoot them, put the next bunch on dog leashes", "shoot them", and "throw them in the emptied mass graves they used to dump other people in and fill it up with the rest of that godforsaken country's human sewage".

 

I'm sure she'd be a welcome addition. With all the fallout/disciplinary action stemming from the abuse incidents, the Service is probably running low on Americans who are FUCKING CRAZY!!!

 

...!

 

 

//neR

Wow, a useless troll joins the peanut gallery. Joy.

Quickly something i've observed: all of the accused torturers are white.

Hmmmmm.

Is it simply a case that white people vastly out number ethnic groups in the US forces so therfore statistically it is more likely that the torturers would be white or is it a case that the abuse is also racially motivated?

But...but...the problem is widespread. Everybody in the military does it...right?

-=Mike

[Guest hunger4unger]

Not everybody in the military Mike - i've never, ever claimed that.

[Cartman 0]

Dubwiser,

 

That's a way too personal attack in the CE folder. Things get heated, bu there's no reason for that

Oh but Mike's attacks on me are A-OK right?

 

KKK - If you read past altercations between mike and, well, everyone that disagree's or has differing opinions, you see LOTS of personal attacks. I'm not the type to sit here and degrade someone's parents or whatnot, but when shit gets started i'm not going to just ignore it. He started the personal insults LONG LONG ago.

[Guest thebigjig]

Dubwiser,

 

That's a way too personal attack in the CE folder. Things get heated, bu there's no reason for that

I think that kind of attitude is to be expected... especially when the debate shifts to the "fuck them all, lets kill everyone over there" direction

[snuffbox 0]

Dubwiser,

 

That's a way too personal attack in the CE folder.  Things get heated, bu there's no reason for that

I think that kind of attitude is to be expected... especially when the debate shifts to the "fuck them all, lets kill everyone over there" direction

"fuck em all!'

 

"kill em all!"

 

"dey tek ur jahbs!"

[Guest thebigjig]

Dubwiser,

 

That's a way too personal attack in the CE folder.  Things get heated, bu there's no reason for that

I think that kind of attitude is to be expected... especially when the debate shifts to the "fuck them all, lets kill everyone over there" direction

"fuck em all!'

 

"kill em all!"

 

"dey tek ur jahbs!"

hey, I hope thats not an attack on Cancer Marney... she's working on her doctorite ya know

 

and she wears Ralph Lauren and makes 6 figures, which I guess means she's immune to ignorant thoughts

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

KKK - If you read past altercations between mike and, well, everyone that disagree's or has differing opinions, you see LOTS of personal attacks. I'm not the type to sit here and degrade someone's parents or whatnot, but when shit gets started i'm not going to just ignore it. He started the personal insults LONG LONG ago.

My "attack" on you really wasn't meant squarely at you. I just get tired of hearing people go "stop the personal attacks" and then go out and do what they just whined about somebody else doing. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

You and Mike can be mortal enemies or bum chums, I wouldn't know; I make it a habit to be oblivious to most feuds that go on here. (Although I am surprised that there are people at this place that don't like Mike; he's such a compromising fellow...)

[Guest TheAustralian]

Personally I cant understand how people can sit back and make jokes about what is happening in Iraq,

 

America, the U.K and Australia are all the legal "occupying powers" of Iraq, all three countries signed numerous documents that stated among other things, that they would treat prisoners according to International Law,

 

Although the aim of the opperation continues to change, we are now led to believe that the pupose of this war is to stabilise the middle east,

 

this wont be possible if we treat the people of these countries like "sub human monkeys"

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

If we did treat them like sub-human monkeys, then they'd all be in cages and not able to commit acts of terror...

[Guest TheAustralian]

You do keep them in cages, without charge, for over 2 yrs.

 

Just ask David Hick.

[Dr. Tom 0]

The Iraqi prisioners didn't cause 9/11 though. Bin Laden did. It's not right to take out your frustrations on them for that.

"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."- President George W. Bush.

Al Queda and Bin Laden and 911 had NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with Iraq OR Saddam. No Al Queda cells in Iraq. No training camps. No funding. Sadddam and Bin Laden don't even KNOW each other.

They've been photographed together.

 

We know they met a few times in the mid-1990s. Israeli intelligence confirms this.

 

We know Saddam gave bin Laden money in the mid-1990s. Again, Israeli intelligence confirms this.

 

There have been Al'Qaeda training grounds in nothern Iraq.

 

You were saying... ?

[Guest MikeSC]

Dubwiser,

 

That's a way too personal attack in the CE folder.  Things get heated, bu there's no reason for that

Oh but Mike's attacks on me are A-OK right?

Yup. I am simply pointing out to YOU what happens should the terrorists win --- something you seem quite in favor of.

KKK - If you read past altercations between mike and, well, everyone that disagree's or has differing opinions, you see LOTS of personal attacks. I'm not the type to sit here and degrade someone's parents or whatnot, but when shit gets started i'm not going to just ignore it. He started the personal insults LONG LONG ago.

No, you really don't. Condescension, to be sure, but not flames.

 

You're special.

hey, I hope thats not an attack on Cancer Marney... she's working on her doctorite ya know

 

and she wears Ralph Lauren and makes 6 figures, which I guess means she's immune to ignorant thoughts

Said the guy who makes LOADS of ignorant comments. Lovely irony.

Personally I cant understand how people can sit back and make jokes about what is happening in Iraq,

 

America, the U.K and Australia are all the legal "occupying powers" of Iraq, all three countries signed numerous documents that stated among other things, that they would treat prisoners according to International Law,

 

Although the aim of the opperation continues to change, we are now led to believe that the pupose of this war is to stabilise the middle east,

 

this wont be possible if we treat the people of these countries like "sub human monkeys"

Quite frankly, they're treated better than our prisoners HERE are (forced sodomy by other inmates is hardly rampant). And they're treated FAR better than our POW's are treated.

 

Thing is --- Int'l Law does not apply to ANY of them. There is no command structure. Their tactics are quite illegal. They don't represent a country or any governmental institution.

 

Thus, Geneva Conventions do not --- and have never --- applied to them.

 

BTW, Cartman, notice the lack of flames? The guy has a different view than me, but he manages to avoid making himself into such a joke, which earns him respect. I certainly do not AGREE with Australian, but he manages to come across as somebody intelligent.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

The Iraqi prisioners didn't cause 9/11 though. Bin Laden did. It's not right to take out your frustrations on them for that.

"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."- President George W. Bush.

Al Queda and Bin Laden and 911 had NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with Iraq OR Saddam. No Al Queda cells in Iraq. No training camps. No funding. Sadddam and Bin Laden don't even KNOW each other.

They've been photographed together.

 

We know they met a few times in the mid-1990s. Israeli intelligence confirms this.

 

We know Saddam gave bin Laden money in the mid-1990s. Again, Israeli intelligence confirms this.

 

There have been Al'Qaeda training grounds in nothern Iraq.

 

You were saying... ?

(Paranoid leftist on)

We probably faked 'em.

(Paranoid leftist off)

 

Heck, who's to say that these tactics didn't aid us in capturing Saddam, seeing as how ALL of this stuff happened about 6 months ago.

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

(Paranoid leftist on)

We probably faked 'em.

(Paranoid leftist off)

 

Heck, who's to say that these tactics didn't aid us in capturing Saddam, seeing as how ALL of this stuff happened about 6 months ago.

-=Mike

No, no, no Mike. It's like this:

 

(paranoid left on)

Israeli intellience? They probably faked them. The US is controlled by a zionist agenda who's goal is to bring down the Arab world through lies and deception you know.

(paranoid left off)

 

Have dignity in your art, man!

[Guest MikeSC]

(Paranoid leftist on)

We probably faked 'em.

(Paranoid leftist off)

 

Heck, who's to say that these tactics didn't aid us in capturing Saddam, seeing as how ALL of this stuff happened about 6 months ago.

              -=Mike

No, no, no Mike. It's like this:

 

(paranoid left on)

Israeli intellience? They probably faked them. The US is controlled by a zionist agenda who's goal is to bring down the Arab world through lies and deception you know.

(paranoid left off)

 

Have dignity in your art, man!

(Indignant left on)

How dare you mock my art, you Bible-thumper!

(Indignant left off)

 

Yup, I suck at this.

-=Mike

[Guest hunger4unger]

The Iraqi prisioners didn't cause 9/11 though. Bin Laden did. It's not right to take out your frustrations on them for that.

"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."- President George W. Bush.

Al Queda and Bin Laden and 911 had NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with Iraq OR Saddam. No Al Queda cells in Iraq. No training camps. No funding. Sadddam and Bin Laden don't even KNOW each other.

They've been photographed together.

 

We know they met a few times in the mid-1990s. Israeli intelligence confirms this.

 

We know Saddam gave bin Laden money in the mid-1990s. Again, Israeli intelligence confirms this.

 

There have been Al'Qaeda training grounds in nothern Iraq.

 

You were saying... ?

Israeli intelligence? Give me a break.

 

There were not ANY Al Queda training grounds ANYWHERE in Iraq. It's only AFTER the invasion that terrorists have swarmed to Iraq and that's solely because it's an easy place to destroy US targets.

[Guest hunger4unger]

Thing is --- Int'l Law does not apply to ANY of them. There is no command structure. Their tactics are quite illegal. They don't represent a country or any governmental institution.

 

Thus, Geneva Conventions do not --- and have never --- applied to them.

Incorrect. The Geneva convention DOES apply to them.

 

There you go again, condoning the torture of Iraqi detainees.

 

Get it clear..they were not all terrorists. The vast majority were regular Iraqi's picked up and check points under suspicion and general law breakers such as thiefs. Even if they were ALL terrorists it is still NO excuse to subject them to physical and sexual abuse. We're the good guys. We're the democracy. We're the freedom.

 

Even the man that can do no wrong, Bush, has shown his disgust at the torture.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Umm, most of the American population is white, so therefore I'd assume most of the AF is white, and thereby it would make sense that those pictured are primarily right.

 

That's an incredible freudian slip.

 

Also, Marney is worse than the terrorists for being a Shania Twain fan. Yeesh.

 

Also, seeing as how the folks in custody are molotov flinging ruffians and such, I have absolutely no problem with them getting roughed up. Cops do worse to people over here. People in prison do worse to each other and no one makes a scene like this. I don't get involved in this partisan bullshit, but this is totally a case of the media making this big fuckin' stink about Habib's black eye and sore hiney.

[Guest thebigjig]

The Iraqi prisioners didn't cause 9/11 though. Bin Laden did. It's not right to take out your frustrations on them for that.

"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."- President George W. Bush.

Al Queda and Bin Laden and 911 had NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with Iraq OR Saddam. No Al Queda cells in Iraq. No training camps. No funding. Sadddam and Bin Laden don't even KNOW each other.

They've been photographed together.

 

We know they met a few times in the mid-1990s. Israeli intelligence confirms this.

 

We know Saddam gave bin Laden money in the mid-1990s. Again, Israeli intelligence confirms this.

 

There have been Al'Qaeda training grounds in nothern Iraq.

 

You were saying... ?

Well then that proves it! Iraq and Saddam had a key role in 9-11... thanks for clearing that up... too bad the administration, who says over and over and over again (AFTER we're in Iraq) that there was no connection, can't go by your logic

[Guest thebigjig]

Said the guy who makes LOADS of ignorant comments. Lovely irony.

There is a HUGE difference between making fun of the South, the average angry southern white male attitude and using the ridiculously short sighted "lets go kill everyone over there, fuck 'em" Anne Coulter logic

 

My "ignorant" poking fun of hicks, is a little different than an attitude that would, if implemented by the administration, cause horrific repercussions

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Also, Marney is worse than the terrorists for being a Shania Twain fan. Yeesh.

Interesting.

 

I'm sure there are reasons for her being a fan other than Twain's music...

[Guest thebigjig]

Also, Marney is worse than the terrorists for being a Shania Twain fan. Yeesh.

Interesting.

 

I'm sure there are reasons for her being a fan other than Twain's music...

She does have a lovely set of breasts... I'll give her that much

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Twain or Marney?...

[Guest thebigjig]

Twain or Marney?...

Twain of course... as for Marney, I'm really not sure, but if her nipples are as cold as her heart, they might be excellent